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    Allow us to step on the amateurish NY journalists from major newspapers:

    William C. Rhoden: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/sports/football/07rhoden.html
    (*****This column was originally filed at 1:00pm the day of the game and was originally titled "The Day the Patriots Empire Began to Crumble" - in just the past hour several parts of it were changed to reflect what happened in the game and to save the hide of the writer who, believe me, was dancing on the grave of the Patriots earlier. Gutless coward.)

    Gary Myers: Jets will beat Patriots Monday to seize control of AFC East, prove they're ready for Super Bowl run

    Steve Serby: Why Jets will beat Patriots tonight - NYPOST.com
     
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    1 thing worse than making stupid projections


    not being man enough to admit them
     
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    if rhoden wasn't such a homer he would admit the yankees are in decline and their ws require asterisks because steroids have a much larger affect on winning and losing than a camera would. players win games, not vcr's.
     
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    NYT, war is peace...
     
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    Rhoden says in his post-game article that when Kevin Faulk went down, the Patriots plugged in BJGE in his place. Since Rhoden doesn't know that Woodhead took the Faulk role, I would not expect he'd know much overall, to back up his predictions.
     
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    re: Dancing on NY "Journalists"(Update on William C. Rhoden)

    Humble pie is good for the soul.. from teh Post:

    Patriots make mouthy Jets speechless - NYPOST.com

    Jets crash and burn in AFC East ‘showdown’ - NYPOST.com


     
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    Deplorable that the NYT article talks about cameragate and its pathetic that the writer has little idea what happened back then. :mad:

    I am going to email that writer providing him quotes on BB's interview. Even if he doesn't come to senses, I hope it gets posted so that one or two non-Pats fan realize that stupid overreaction to the event called cameragate.
     
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    Here is Rhoden's article. Posting it here so he can't get away from his lack of professionalism. You can write anything you want, but don't pretend you never wrote it.

     
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    This was an odd one -- I saw it online yesterday and it made no sense; no context and the "Patriots in retrograde" thing was bizarre. Between it being taken down yesterday then re-appearing with a topper about last night's game, makes me think this was posted by accident. Only guessing, but it's as if someone wrote some background material anticipating a Jets win and it got posted in error. Still, it's bizarre - -even if the Pats had lost it would have been hard to writ of them being in decline. Says a lot about the guy's thought process.
     
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    I don't know that it was posted in error. I guess he was just embarrassed to have written such a baseless article. They also disabled all comments so nobody can call him out any further...
     
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    Normally, I would have to take down a full article that is pasted here. But, since that article as such was 50% edited and no longer exists on the NYT, I say good on you. I had been searching myself for the original version after the game and cursed that coward and his paper for weaseling out and eliminating half the original article.

    A "Profile in Courage" and truth, William C. Rhoden isn't. Simply, a pathetic and epic failure.
     
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    Just in case, I sent the article to my PM, in case you have to delete it and others want it for future reference.
     
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    Embarrassingly bad. I don't read NYT Sports folks very often and I can't say that'll be changing any time soon.
     
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    Sorry, I will take it down if I'm violating copyrights or anything. I figured since I was giving the original author credit and quoting it it would be alright.
     
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    In other news, William C. Rhoden reports that Dewey beat Truman and that the Germans actually won WW II.
     
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    re: Dancing on NY "Journalists"(Update on William C. Rhoden)

    I always find it interesting how those who are so outraged by Spygate (as Bill Rhoden obvious is) will never drill down to exactly what advantage taping signals brought to the Patriots. There is always this assumption that it was a significant advantage - and yet no significant advantage has ever been shown.

    I'm very aware that during the Spygate discussions, there was tremendous speculation on 1 thing and 1 thing only - that the Patriots were using these tapes to determine signals during the game and then taking advantage of that in the second half. The reason that this was practically the sole substance of the use of these tapes is that it was pretty obvious even to unsophisticated observers that attempting to use signals months or years later - particularly against teams that knew or thought that you were taping or somehow stealing signals - was of such marginal value as to be almost worthless. After all, signals by a 3rd base coach or by a catcher in baseball can also be seen by everybody and everyone knows that you need to change them up in order not to give things away. I'd hardly think that football coaches are dumber than baseball coaches. And yet after the evidence conclusively proved that this was not the case, the perception remained that this was a significant advantage both because the Patriots won and because the NFL chose to levy a huge penalty. What still has not be adequately reasoned out is exactly how this information (which can also be obtained in other LEGAL methods) can be of significant help in winning games.

    That being said, Rhoden always confronts the Spygate issue on a moral grounds basis i.e. cheating is always wrong. So is intentional cheating by holding morally wrong? Is intentionally cheating by blocking someone in the back morally wrong? Is intentionally cheating by tampering with players (think NY Jets) or coaches (think NY Jets again :) ) morally wrong? What kind of cheating in Rhoden's world is morally wrong? As far as I can tell, videotaping signals is one of the few ways of cheating that is morally wrong in his eyes - even if the advantages gained are minimal at best and even if most (if not the vast majority) of teams have done this form of cheating in the (sometimes distant, sometimes not so distant) past. Does this stain all teams from the 70s and 80s? Or just 1 team from the 2000s? Rhoden seems to proposition the latter and, at best, ignore the former.

    Of course, a fairer assessment of it all would show this article for what it truly is - a hatchet job. I actually don't believe that Rhoden means it that way or even that he is not sincere. I've often watched him on Sports Reporters and believe in his sincerity. However, his moral reasoning is, as best as I can tell, woefully inadequate in order to render the judgment he does on both Bill Belichick and the Patriots.
     
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    TruthSeeker(s) - A few of us call that entire episode 'Cameragate', as it should rightly be tagged.

    Unfortunate that many Patsfans continue to use the mediots spin of 'spying' and give the episode a clandestine (=> negative) slant when it doesn't deserve any.
     
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    Fascinating....I went to the NYT this AM to see what they were saying about the beat-down, and read Rhoden's column, not knowing how it was changed from the original column which had run. I thought it was clueless and classless to run a column about "spygate" after such a colossal loss...and now, to find out that the column ran before the game, and they simply changed a few paragraghs around....that is even more clueless and classless if you ask me. I expcet that stuff form the NY Post..but from the Times? wow.

    But, I also read the other aritcles cited above...my favorite part is from the last one...where the article says:


    “It took a blow when Jim went down today,” Eric Smith said Friday night. “But we have confidence in our guys that are gonna step in. It’s not like we have rookies just stepping off the bus out there to play. So I think once we get through tomorrow, our confidence level will be back up where it was.”

    Smith will now become the quarterback of the defense. He had a 3.95 GPA in high school.


    A 3.95 in high school? Lets see, there was the A in shop class, and an A in gym, and an A in health.... LMFAO...
    And what did he get for grades in the third grade?
     
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    ****Alright! Now, we've got traction on this story as Bostonsportsmedia.com has picked up on it this afternoon:

    That website is followed by writers around the nation so Mr. Rhoden's integrity is about to be publicly called out on this

    Boston Sports Media Watch
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    Odd Column Changes From NY Times


    "I had seen William Rhoden’s column in The New York Times yesterday, and like this emailer, I was somewhat surprised to see it get remade at the same URL following the Patriots beatdown of Jets:

    Hi Bruce,

    I’m a regular BSMW reader, and as such I thought you might be interested in something I caught in the NYT coverage of the Jets-Pats rivalry. On the Times’ site yesterday, I saw this column from William Rhoden.

    That article no longer exists on the Times’ site; it’s been replaced, at the same URL, with this. (The modified article went up within a few minutes of last night’s game ending.) You’ll notice the new headline no longer references the Patriots’ “crumbling empire;” similar changes are made throughout the article.

    Now, to my mind, these are both cases of pretty crappy journalism, using the thinnest of pretenses to bring up Spygate without really saying anything new. However, it’s my understanding that the Times’ policy is to note corrections, changes, or updates to articles like this instead of just throwing lines like “The shift has occurred: the Jets are in ascendancy, while New England is in retrograde” down the memory hole.

    I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on this.

    Best,
    D

    PS: One more amusing modification. Rhoden, pre-game: “The shift was set in motion three seasons ago by a moral misstep by Belichick. The Patriots empire began to unravel the day New England was caught cheating.” Rhoden, post-game: “If New England does not win another title under Belichick, critics can say that a shift took place three seasons ago.” Hedging his bets, I guess.
     
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    I am sick of the whole Spygate/Camragate thing. There are a couple of facts that they failed to mention.

    1) The Patriots were "caught" 8 minutes into the game. They went on to crush the all the regular season opponents. Also they were heavily monitored by the NFL for the rest of the season, so the supposed "cheating" was a moot point.

    2) Steve Scarnecchia was actually an employee of the J-E-T-S in 2007 under Mangini, and was the one who turned the Patriots in.

    I hate the way the media tends to gloss over these things. Not to mention a first round draft pick was a huge loss. BB probably would have traded it for a couple of later rounds and maybe a 3rd in the following year.
     
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