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  1. carolinatony

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    Are the BROWNS Cursed LOL

    I remember our Sox all those years until they finally won the WS.

    As a Pats fan I root for them to beat the Steelers/Ravens one of these years.
    I don't know if I will see that in my lifetime again.

    There draft was a "F" IMO. Great move to trade up 1 spot to get a RB...yeah right!
    They could have had the best WR doing nothing and than with their other 1st rounder grabbed either RB Doug Martin or David Wilson. Now you upgrated 2 offensive positions.
    Of course the one year there a Elwayish QB coming out Manning gets hurt and they lose out.
    You gotta feel for their fans.

    The Bengals seemed to have a good draft. Maybe they can take the divison.
    Poor Browns and I have never been there or know anyone from there either.

    I think Minnesota is also cursed.
    The lost the Lakers,a hockey team and maybe the Viks if they don't get a new statium.

    As I get older I am thankful all our teams have won in my lifetime. Nothing worst than a bitter old man sitting around wishing he had seen his favorite team win just once:)

    Go Pats
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    The Patriots have kind of been cursed as of late. As in, doing so well until the final minute and then ripping your heart out in a gut wrenching fashion. Cursed against the Giants.
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    The problem is the ownership. It is always the ownership. The owners have no patience. No patience.Tthey go one way for a year or two, and then, and then, they go another way. They draft players and then cut or trade them a few years later. There is no continuity.
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    "Cursed" usually means someone (or in this sense, a team) actually did something to trigger bad luck. You don't get cursed by ghosts by chance, you usually screwed up somewhere along the way and have to make up for it. In horror movies, it was because of an unfortunate death - in sports, it's a missed crucial opportunity. You screwed up, the ghosts are coming back to punish you in the afterlife for that mistake. The Cubs had the goat, we had Babe. The Browns aren't cursed, they just suck.

    You could make an argument that Brady cursed the Pats when he joked they would only score 17 in SB 42...sure sounds like a kiss of death.
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    Meh...Brady is great luck personified.
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    He is ... but he's also associated with some of the most notorious bad luck losses in NFL history. SB42 will never escape him.
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    hahahahahahah the JETS



    :D :singing:
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    If the D stops Eli then Brady would be praised for another drive. Some things are just out of his control. And i agree...those losses had bad luck but i'm not one to believe in nonsense like curses. Things just happen.

    And the Browns suck because they are in a division with two teams that are run excellently and they are not.
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    any semi intelligent person knows that curses don't exist. then there's espn. they love pushing the shank theory of the curse of "the bambino" which we all know is bs. just another in a long list of boston slights perpetuated by them.
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    #87 Jersey

    Shaugnessy has made a living out of curses.

    but I hope the Jets are
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    the guy has won three super bowls. he doesnt need to escape from anything. :rolleyes:
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    And has taken his team to the SB 5 times in 10 years, which is unparalleled.

    The comments being responded to are a major issue with "newer" fans, they did not have the opportunity to enjoy the early 90's and the other lean times and lack perspective on how great a run this actually is. There are 31 other teams that are envious of our success... talk to anyone around the country, and after they spew the obligatory hate, they will ask how do you guys stay so good???

    When I started watching football was a cleveland browns fan, Jim Brown was and is the man.. became a Pats fan in the late 60's... it is too bad that that storied franchise is on such a bad run... but there is always an ebb and flow.
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    I think we were cursed for years. The SuperDome was built on a grave yard and it was to expensive to move the bodies, so they didn't. We just got lucky 1 year.
    I think NE thought it was cursed in some way before your 1st SB. That was a damn long time to be a fan.
    But to tell you the truth, after meeting viking fans, and have them whine, cry, and never stop from every loss they have ever had, I almost think their fans deserve it. I mean get some balls, and stop blaming falcons,dallas,saints,etc..
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    Holgrem and Heckert are there now and supposed to be team builders. They drafted McCoy and Hardesty a couple of years ago and are now back drafting a QB and RB again. McCoy sucks and they were all in the RG3 sweepstakes.

    Andy Johnson would question if the Browns have really been that bad at drafting QBs and RBs.
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    The Saints were good back when Jim Mora was HC. Wasnt Bobby Hebert the QB? I know they had a heck of a defense.

    Archie Manning never had a team around him. Saints fans invented the shopping bag over the head look.
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    Yeah, but Luck is part of the game...and any sport really.

    Sure, the magic helmet catch was lucky but so was getting the tuck call (not arguing whether the call was right or wrong...I think it was right...just that getting the reversal and the call was lucky). And, in each case, the teams in question still had to execute after the lucky event.

    Personally, I don't ascribe this year's SB loss to "bad luck." The Giants executed (Manningham's catch, Pass Rush harassing Brady on his first play) and the Patriots didn't execute (Safety on first play from scrimmage, Hernandez' drop, Welker's miss of a tough catch and three fumbles not recovered). End of story.
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    What a load of unadulterated BS. Brady directed a clutch drive and threw a clutch TD pass for what should have been the winning margin with almost no time left on the clock. You want a notorious bad luck loss to pin on an otherwise terrific player? How about John Kasey, in a tied game, booting the kick-off out of bounds leaving Brady and the Pats a chance to operate from their own 40 yard line needing only a FG to win the SB against Carolina (which, of course, they got)?
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    Oh yeah - I almost forgot one of the most notorious bad luck losses in NFL history: the Tuck Rule game. Oh wait, Brady and the Pats won that one in over-time...
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    Yeah, but who could beat the the legend that is Montana. Bad timing,lol, and we were in that division at the time. 12 wins and we could not win. 49ers were unbeatable.
    Mora built the colts and drafted PM. He's a great coach. LOL, thanks the more that know even though we wore bags, we were still AT the game, and the stands were full. Maybe it helps people understand us better.
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    I'm not pinning it ON Brady... I'm just saying he's associated with it. 18-1... the Tyree catch... it's part of NFL lore now, whether we like it or not. I have never blamed Brady for that game, and never will. But it's also infamous and will be part of his legacy. Just the facts.

    In a more general sense, the Pats are now known for what they didn't win as much as for what they did. Hopefully when history moves on and the dust settles that will change, but for now "it is what it is."
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    Hi Pherein!

    Always good to have you here and my continued condolences for what has befallen the Saints. Like many others, I appreciate that you haven't tried to "make excuses" for what happened and question what is seen as fair punishment pretty much everywhere outside N'Awlins.

    You raise a good point as usual. It might not be 100% applicable to the Saints because they were such a young franchise, but it's very interesting how many "Good" teams are stymied by a team or player that is "special."

    The Cowboys of the 1970's were a juggernaut, but came away with only two Trophies in five trips to the SB because they had the misfortune of having to play the Steel Curtain, Terry Bradshaw and Chuck Knoll.

    The Steelers of the 2000's feel that the Pats went to two of "their" SuperBowls by beating them in the AFCCG.
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    In the spirit of your post with its respect for NFL history and without taking anything at all away from TB, there are a couple of parallels: Bart Starr took the Packers to six NFL Championship games over eight seasons, winning five. John Elway took the Broncos to five SB's over 13 seasons, winning two.
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    yeah, but those teams sucked, right? :D

    On a side note, maybe the browns have the curse of BB (granted the timing is off and i'm sure the experieince helped fashion him into the coach he is today).
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    The Saints liked Ebert because he was a Cajun boy.

    Mora was good back then.

    The Pats finally made to to the Super Bowl only to face the best defense in the history of the NFL. Then, Ditka let William Perry run for a TD. The next time they made it back to the SuperBowl, HC Parcells had basically quit and was looking for a new job Super Bowl week.
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    Heh...heh. Well-said. Yep, and not only did those other teams suck, but they didn't have any real competition and they were nowhere as good as today's teams and NFL history really didn't start until the day Tom Brady was drafted. :singing:

    I hadn't thought of the concept of the "Curse of the Hoodie" in Cleveland, but I think you might be on to something.

    Before Bill Belichick (the "BBB" era), the storied Cleveland Brown Franchise posted a 385--226 (0.630) record and went to the Playoffs 26 times, winning 13 Division, 11 Conference and eight League Championships!

    After Bill Belichick (the "ABB" era), the Browns have posted a 68--140 (0.327) record, with one Wild Card Playoff appearance.

    Coincidence? I.........think........NOT!


    Beware the Curse of the Hoodie!
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    Invoking the tuck rule was more correct than not doing so, but not as correct as calling roughing the passer.
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    Hi PFS
    Nice of you to say, most think its deserved, just takes some time for some to get their head around it.

    Steelers of that era were amazing. Im not sure either of our offenses could have survived against them, and you right the cowboys had no answer.

    Really good point. Have thought of the teams that could have been something if Brady wasn't around ? Brady and the Patriots are the force equal to what we faced in the montana era.
    How many could have been teams have you guys kept down,lol. A lot.
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    You are, of course, not referring to Ben Dreith's call on Sugar Bear Hamilton in 1976?!?!
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    I guess that's why Eli has so many admirers outside of New England. He, along with Manningham and Tyree, are viewed as Agents of Retribution by many if not most NFL fans.

    But...heh, heh...at the end of the day I'd rather be cheering for Tommy or Eli than for any of the other wannabe teams and players.
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    Yeah, Mora was good. I think his fault is he was always on bad teams. We know better than anyone how bad it is to be beat by Chicago fans in a playoff, that must have sucked,lol
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