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Posted something similar over on the Main Board, deep on someone else's thread. It's worth re-posting it here for discussion from the true draftniks
QB - Brady, UFA/rookie, Cassel
Conventional thinking is to sign a UFA as our #2. But here's the minority report: If you have enough confidence to give the #2 spot to Cassel, then we can save the cap space and take another shot at the draft. Someone like Brett Basanez would be a great Day Two pick.
Better yet, draft Basanez, take a journeyman and then send Basanez to the IR for seasoning. If Basanez and Cassel both look good in TC, keep the kids and cut the vet.
RB - Dillon, Faulk, Pass, Evans
Nothing more to wish for, except youth. This is a solid bunch of smart and proven veterans, but I dont think it's right to call them old. Dillon has three more years in him easily.
And fact is that good RBs come out of college every year. It seems tempting to pencil Deangelo Williams in as a backup RB-- but that would be a waste. The Jets drafted Lamont Jordan to backup Curtis Martin and he never saw the light of day until he left for Oakland. To me, that's bad draft execution. As long as there are good players who can contribute at another position, an early pick at RB is a luxury we dont need.
My appetite for RB is only just enough to draft someone like Maurice Drew if he drops to #100, to play ST and compete for a backup role with Evans.
WR - Branch, UFA, Caldwell, Brown, rookie/UFA, Bethel/Childress
Any other year, I would have thought WR in the first round would be a good bet. But, well, the pickin's slim... Holmes has some upside to develop into someone like... well, like Ashley Leslie. Chad Jackson is entirely the product of the NFL Combine and that makes me think of... Tony Simmons. Not interested.
As others have posted, I think Hass is a compelling prospect. And Stovall had one good year in college, after Charlie lit a fire under him... if CW can convince BB the kid will work for it, he might be worth the early 3rd.
That leaves me looking for trade opportunities for veterans. I'm 100% in the Eric Moulds camp, but will Buffalo actually trade him within the Division? The Javon Walker rumors are interested... a second rounder to bring him to the Pats makes more sense than spending it on someone like Martin Nance or Derek Hagan.
TE - Graham, Watson, UFA/rookie
Need a #3 TE, and need to prepare for the possible loss of Graham after next season. Seems like the perfect opportunity to draft a rookie with good upside. Add the the fact that this TE class is stacked deep with talent, and I think the idea of spending a pick at TE in the first round rounds seems very sensible.
If the draft doesn't work out for some reason, BB has found good TEs off the street; I really liked Jed Weaver and would be happy to have him back on the roster.
OT - Light, Kaczur, Gorin, UFA/rookie
The loss of Ashworth undercuts what was a fantastically deep unit last year. (He signed a good sized deal, which should land us a Compensatory pick next year... always looking for a silver lining). Not listed is Daniel Graham who plays an OT emergency support role on a regular basis.
Spending the 2nd rounder at OT is not out of the question. Darryn Colledge has been my favorite. But signing a journeyman for depth could work just as well. There's a need here, but lots of ways to fill it: Day One, Day Two, UFA... the mind boggles.
OG - Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Hochstein
Re-signing Neal takes the pressure off. But, the dark cloud on the horizon is Dan Koppen entering free agency in 2007. With Russ Mruc safely stashed on the shadow roster, whether BB decides to draft a future at OC is anyone's guess. If the right player drops far enough, I think BB will pull the trigger. But it's unlikely that he'll take an elite player like Mangold.
NT - Wilfork, Wright
Wright was the good news story of training camp last year, but it's still worth spending a late pick on someone like LeKevin Smith or Steve Fifita.
Haloti Ngata is the dream pick for any 3-4 defense. He would start Week One, and we'd have to shift Wilfork to DE. But, luckily, that could never happen.
DE - Seymour, Warren, Green, Hill, Klecko
Solid young group. But Seymour will need a big contract, Hill has been slow to develop and Klecko still hasn't found a long term role for himself on the team. Still, as a group, there is really nothing to worry about for 2006. If an opportunity presents itself, where an athletic, hard working 300#er like Claude Wroten comes available in the draft, or free agency, BB may make the investment and bump either Hill or Klecko off the depth chart.
OLB - Vrabel, Colvin, Banta-Cain, rookie/UFA
Bummer losing McGinest to the Browns. How to make lemonade from the lemons? Well, let's take the opportunity to move Vrabel back to the edge, where he's truly disruptive. Even with that, we still have depth issues at OLB, where Chad Brown saw time last year, too. Vrabel and Colvin are both young, solid veterans, but Banta-Cain has limited long term upside.
After spending a long while on the Manny Lawson bandwagon, I'm back on the Bobby Carpenter bandwagon. To start, Mike Vrabel is the perfect guy to teach the kid how to play the position, and has been using the Ohio State connection to coach the kid up. Chemistry is the key to teamwork. And unlike Lawson who was a pure pass rusher in college, Carpenter played a LB role similar to what BB will want from him. Plus, the tie-breaker: Carpenter is at least 10#s bigger.
ILB - Bruschi, Beisel, Claridge, Izzo, Davis, rookie
Some question whether Beisel/Claridge can combine to be a credible #2 ILB. There's always the option to shift Vrabel back to ILB, but I'm encouraged by Chad Brown's positive departing comments, to paraphrase: "watch out for that Claridge kid".
But, I think this is a great year for LBs, and with Matt Chatham departing for the J E T S, we can draft a prospect. Productive tough guy football players like Anthony Schlegel and Tim McGarigle will be available in the 3rd round, and we'd be crazy to pass up the chance.
S - Harrison, Wilson, Hawkins, Sanders, Scott
Solid unit, with some injury questions. BB likes spending mid and late rounders on S prospects, so that's always an option. But while I was interested in Darnell Bing and Ko Simpson at the end of the season, with Hawkins back it's really not that important to me anymore. A late pick on someone like Matt Ware will work well enough to provide some competition and depth.
CB - Samuel, Hobbs, Gay, Scott
There's room in the secondary for an elite rookie, and I've been a strong Richard Marshall supporter for a long while and that hasn't changed. Donte Whitner, too. It would mean cutting one of the two Scotts, but that's okay with me. The upside is tremendous.
K - UFA, P - Miller, LS - Paxton
Just dont see Belichick trusting the K duties to a rookie.
To tie this in with my Dream Draft class:
1(21) - OLB Bobby Carpenter, OSU
Our top need, gives us positional flexibility with Vrabel, and projects as a starter.
2(20) - OT Daryn Colledge, Boise
Another ranch hand on our offensive line. Agility, strength and versatility.
3(11) - WR Mike Hass, Oregon St
Smart. Blocks downfield. Good hands. Good routes. Doesn't have great speed, but does all the small things.
3(22) - ILB Tim McGarigle, Northwestern
Incredibly productive in college. Smart: "Another coach on the field". Great leader. Good size, a run stuffer with great instincts.
4 (9) - TE Cooper Wallace, Auburn
Well rounded, strong TE with good hands and work ethic. A solid contributor, and just what you'd want in the 4th.
4(21) - OC Chris Chester, Oklahoma
Raw, but very smart and takes coaching. Hard working former TE. Athletic.
5 (3) - DE Johnny Jolly, Texas A&M
Strong, versatile college DT who projects at 3-4 DE. Top leadership, experience and work ethic.
6(22) - QB Brett Basanez, Northwestern
Smart and competitive. Mobile passer with outstanding intangibles. Led an overachieving Northwestern offense.
6(33) - S Calvin Lowry, Penn St (projected compensatory)
Instinctive player with great closing speed. Great leader on surprising PSU defense.
6(34) - WR Ed Hinkel, Iowa (projected compensatory)
One of my favorite college players. A tough guy with a gutty football attitude. Hard working and top intangibles.
7(21) - NT Steve Fifita, Utah
Incredible strong 325# NT prospect. True run stuffer; a bit short.
A lot of Big-10 players (Hinkel, Lowry, McGarigle, Basanez, Carpenter). Not completely coincidental because I'm a fan-- I know Big-10 players better.
What's missing?
Still need a K. And you have to feel good at the idea of Caldwell, Brown, Hass and Childress competing for the #2 WR spot. Honestly, I'd be okay giving up our 2nd rounder for either Eric Moulds or Javon Walker and taking an OT in the 3rd.
QB - Brady, UFA/rookie, Cassel
Conventional thinking is to sign a UFA as our #2. But here's the minority report: If you have enough confidence to give the #2 spot to Cassel, then we can save the cap space and take another shot at the draft. Someone like Brett Basanez would be a great Day Two pick.
Better yet, draft Basanez, take a journeyman and then send Basanez to the IR for seasoning. If Basanez and Cassel both look good in TC, keep the kids and cut the vet.
RB - Dillon, Faulk, Pass, Evans
Nothing more to wish for, except youth. This is a solid bunch of smart and proven veterans, but I dont think it's right to call them old. Dillon has three more years in him easily.
And fact is that good RBs come out of college every year. It seems tempting to pencil Deangelo Williams in as a backup RB-- but that would be a waste. The Jets drafted Lamont Jordan to backup Curtis Martin and he never saw the light of day until he left for Oakland. To me, that's bad draft execution. As long as there are good players who can contribute at another position, an early pick at RB is a luxury we dont need.
My appetite for RB is only just enough to draft someone like Maurice Drew if he drops to #100, to play ST and compete for a backup role with Evans.
WR - Branch, UFA, Caldwell, Brown, rookie/UFA, Bethel/Childress
Any other year, I would have thought WR in the first round would be a good bet. But, well, the pickin's slim... Holmes has some upside to develop into someone like... well, like Ashley Leslie. Chad Jackson is entirely the product of the NFL Combine and that makes me think of... Tony Simmons. Not interested.
As others have posted, I think Hass is a compelling prospect. And Stovall had one good year in college, after Charlie lit a fire under him... if CW can convince BB the kid will work for it, he might be worth the early 3rd.
That leaves me looking for trade opportunities for veterans. I'm 100% in the Eric Moulds camp, but will Buffalo actually trade him within the Division? The Javon Walker rumors are interested... a second rounder to bring him to the Pats makes more sense than spending it on someone like Martin Nance or Derek Hagan.
TE - Graham, Watson, UFA/rookie
Need a #3 TE, and need to prepare for the possible loss of Graham after next season. Seems like the perfect opportunity to draft a rookie with good upside. Add the the fact that this TE class is stacked deep with talent, and I think the idea of spending a pick at TE in the first round rounds seems very sensible.
If the draft doesn't work out for some reason, BB has found good TEs off the street; I really liked Jed Weaver and would be happy to have him back on the roster.
OT - Light, Kaczur, Gorin, UFA/rookie
The loss of Ashworth undercuts what was a fantastically deep unit last year. (He signed a good sized deal, which should land us a Compensatory pick next year... always looking for a silver lining). Not listed is Daniel Graham who plays an OT emergency support role on a regular basis.
Spending the 2nd rounder at OT is not out of the question. Darryn Colledge has been my favorite. But signing a journeyman for depth could work just as well. There's a need here, but lots of ways to fill it: Day One, Day Two, UFA... the mind boggles.
OG - Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Hochstein
Re-signing Neal takes the pressure off. But, the dark cloud on the horizon is Dan Koppen entering free agency in 2007. With Russ Mruc safely stashed on the shadow roster, whether BB decides to draft a future at OC is anyone's guess. If the right player drops far enough, I think BB will pull the trigger. But it's unlikely that he'll take an elite player like Mangold.
NT - Wilfork, Wright
Wright was the good news story of training camp last year, but it's still worth spending a late pick on someone like LeKevin Smith or Steve Fifita.
Haloti Ngata is the dream pick for any 3-4 defense. He would start Week One, and we'd have to shift Wilfork to DE. But, luckily, that could never happen.
DE - Seymour, Warren, Green, Hill, Klecko
Solid young group. But Seymour will need a big contract, Hill has been slow to develop and Klecko still hasn't found a long term role for himself on the team. Still, as a group, there is really nothing to worry about for 2006. If an opportunity presents itself, where an athletic, hard working 300#er like Claude Wroten comes available in the draft, or free agency, BB may make the investment and bump either Hill or Klecko off the depth chart.
OLB - Vrabel, Colvin, Banta-Cain, rookie/UFA
Bummer losing McGinest to the Browns. How to make lemonade from the lemons? Well, let's take the opportunity to move Vrabel back to the edge, where he's truly disruptive. Even with that, we still have depth issues at OLB, where Chad Brown saw time last year, too. Vrabel and Colvin are both young, solid veterans, but Banta-Cain has limited long term upside.
After spending a long while on the Manny Lawson bandwagon, I'm back on the Bobby Carpenter bandwagon. To start, Mike Vrabel is the perfect guy to teach the kid how to play the position, and has been using the Ohio State connection to coach the kid up. Chemistry is the key to teamwork. And unlike Lawson who was a pure pass rusher in college, Carpenter played a LB role similar to what BB will want from him. Plus, the tie-breaker: Carpenter is at least 10#s bigger.
ILB - Bruschi, Beisel, Claridge, Izzo, Davis, rookie
Some question whether Beisel/Claridge can combine to be a credible #2 ILB. There's always the option to shift Vrabel back to ILB, but I'm encouraged by Chad Brown's positive departing comments, to paraphrase: "watch out for that Claridge kid".
But, I think this is a great year for LBs, and with Matt Chatham departing for the J E T S, we can draft a prospect. Productive tough guy football players like Anthony Schlegel and Tim McGarigle will be available in the 3rd round, and we'd be crazy to pass up the chance.
S - Harrison, Wilson, Hawkins, Sanders, Scott
Solid unit, with some injury questions. BB likes spending mid and late rounders on S prospects, so that's always an option. But while I was interested in Darnell Bing and Ko Simpson at the end of the season, with Hawkins back it's really not that important to me anymore. A late pick on someone like Matt Ware will work well enough to provide some competition and depth.
CB - Samuel, Hobbs, Gay, Scott
There's room in the secondary for an elite rookie, and I've been a strong Richard Marshall supporter for a long while and that hasn't changed. Donte Whitner, too. It would mean cutting one of the two Scotts, but that's okay with me. The upside is tremendous.
K - UFA, P - Miller, LS - Paxton
Just dont see Belichick trusting the K duties to a rookie.
To tie this in with my Dream Draft class:
1(21) - OLB Bobby Carpenter, OSU
Our top need, gives us positional flexibility with Vrabel, and projects as a starter.
2(20) - OT Daryn Colledge, Boise
Another ranch hand on our offensive line. Agility, strength and versatility.
3(11) - WR Mike Hass, Oregon St
Smart. Blocks downfield. Good hands. Good routes. Doesn't have great speed, but does all the small things.
3(22) - ILB Tim McGarigle, Northwestern
Incredibly productive in college. Smart: "Another coach on the field". Great leader. Good size, a run stuffer with great instincts.
4 (9) - TE Cooper Wallace, Auburn
Well rounded, strong TE with good hands and work ethic. A solid contributor, and just what you'd want in the 4th.
4(21) - OC Chris Chester, Oklahoma
Raw, but very smart and takes coaching. Hard working former TE. Athletic.
5 (3) - DE Johnny Jolly, Texas A&M
Strong, versatile college DT who projects at 3-4 DE. Top leadership, experience and work ethic.
6(22) - QB Brett Basanez, Northwestern
Smart and competitive. Mobile passer with outstanding intangibles. Led an overachieving Northwestern offense.
6(33) - S Calvin Lowry, Penn St (projected compensatory)
Instinctive player with great closing speed. Great leader on surprising PSU defense.
6(34) - WR Ed Hinkel, Iowa (projected compensatory)
One of my favorite college players. A tough guy with a gutty football attitude. Hard working and top intangibles.
7(21) - NT Steve Fifita, Utah
Incredible strong 325# NT prospect. True run stuffer; a bit short.
A lot of Big-10 players (Hinkel, Lowry, McGarigle, Basanez, Carpenter). Not completely coincidental because I'm a fan-- I know Big-10 players better.
What's missing?
Still need a K. And you have to feel good at the idea of Caldwell, Brown, Hass and Childress competing for the #2 WR spot. Honestly, I'd be okay giving up our 2nd rounder for either Eric Moulds or Javon Walker and taking an OT in the 3rd.