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Comparing Tom Brady & Ben Roethlisberger - THE FIRST 5 YEARS

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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    Since there has been much speculation as to if Ben has actually had a better start as QB compared to Brady shows its not really that close - Tom has been better in most catagories

    Of course this is a TEAM game and the stats below are just to divide the 2 players to see which one has had the better numbers so that people can clearly see the numbers are in reality quite apart

    These stats are based on numbers for each player in their first 5 years in the league as starting QB (Brady only had 1 snap in 2000 so it is not in consideration)
    - During his first 5 years Brady has not missed any game as starting QB playing in 78 regular season games while Roethlisberger did miss 7 games and played in just 71 regular season games,so stats may not be 100% fair but nevertheless here they are ....

    THE FIRST 5 YEARS COMPARISON

    Averaged out between all 5 years

    TOM BRADY (2001-2005 Stats)

    Comp % 62.0
    Passing Yards 18,029
    TD Passes 123
    QB Record 58-20 (reg. season)
    TD % 4.8
    INTs 66
    QB Rating 88.3
    YPG Average 227.5
    Yards Rushing 333
    Post Season 10-1 w/3 SB Titles

    BEN ROETHLISBERGER (2004-2008 Stats)

    Comp % 62.4
    Passing Yards 14,974
    TD Passes 101
    QB Record 51-20 (reg. season)
    TD % 5.3
    INTs 69
    QB Rating 89.4
    YPG Average 208.0
    Yards Rushing 616
    Post Season 8-2 w/2 SB Titles


    So as it appears by these individual stats Brady has been better in most stats but Ben not far behind although comparing these two can be misleading but interesting regardless
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    other then that Ben had AMAZING defenses EVERY SINGLE year, and they he had HOF runningbacks on his team, ohh, and that he loses in face-to-face PO competition......its semi close
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    Wait, does this include 2008, the year that Brady only played one quarter?
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    READ the opening post
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    Ben is on the trajectory of a top 15 all time QB
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    When people look back at this era, Brady and Manning are still going to be so far ahead of the rest of the competition - granted, unless Ben improves greatly.
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    Roethlisberger is a very good QB, but he is not in Brady's league (at least not yet) no matter what the numbers say. The Steelers have always been about a strong, physical defense and a strong running game. It really hasn't changed with Roethlisberger at the helm. He is great in the fourth quarter like Brady is and is very illusive, but Brady makes the players around him better.
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    If you look at how scary-young Ben is and how excellent of an organization the Steelers have, there is no doubt that Ben actually has a chance to be just as good ... or even Better than Tom when his career has ended - Yes it is very possible,especially if Pitt continues to dominate thier division and consistently win and we all don't know what type of QB Tom will return as - He may be the same type of player or better or worse

    I don't think its fair to say that Tom and Peyton are way ahead of Ben for the simple reason that Ben entered the league in 2004 - Thats 4 years later than Tom and even a longer edge for Peyton .. and Ben already has one more ring than Manning and closing in on Tom
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    In the end all that really matters is which QB has led his team to more hardware - Tom has 3 Ben has 2 Peyton has 1 - The difference here is that Ben,barring any major injury probably has another 10-11 years in the league while Brady probably has 5-7 years left (if he decides to play until then) and I don't expect Manning to be in the league longer than another 3 or 4 years
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    Ben just took a little magic from Peyton.

    When you start talking about QB's and their place in History, Ben is +1 - As of Feb 2009.
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    Quarterbacks should never be evaluated without looking at the number of int's, nevermind compared. Although I can not be 100% sure, I think that number would change the look of the comparison quite a bit.
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    Marino has no rings, so Ben must be better.....


    QB's better than Ben:

    Brady
    P. Manning
    Rivers
    Warner
    Brees
    McNabb

    A couple clearly in the debate against Ben:
    Cutler
    Rodgers
    Palmer (used to be clearly better, but with the injuries....)

    And there are several others where the jury is still out.
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    Maybe, but if thats the case, it really shouldn't be. History won't remember it, but Roethsliberger's first Super Bowl was the worst ever by a QB, and his last Super Bowl would've gone down as a major dud if it weren't for an amazing final drive.

    I think ultimately Super Bowls can be trumped by a QB's talent and production - just like at any other position. If Manning never wins a Super Bowl, he's still in the argument for best QB of all time, just as Marino is. By comparison, Big Ben is not anywhere near close to entering that argument, and likely never will.

    And on that same token, as for the legacies of the team, I really think that despite the 2 SBs to the Colts 1 SB, the Colts have been a much, much more formidable and respected team this decade than Pittsburgh. Of course, history won't remember it that way b/c of the rings.
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    Based on what?

    Ben is on the trajectory for a hall of fame career, even with zero Superbowls. Look up the stats.
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    I don't neccessarily agree with that. Terry Bradshaw has as much hardware as Brady and Manning combined; but I wouldn't put him in the same category of either of those two. Granted, I'm sure that either Brady or Manning would happily be viewed as lesser QBs than Bradshaw if they could have 4 or 5 rings.
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    Could say the same thing about Brady's first ring
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    I highly disagree with this post.

    Rivers (No Way. He is good, but he also has LT in the backfield, one of the best TEs in the game and the luxary of playing against Oakland, Denver and KC twice a year. Sorry but I don't see the Rivers Lead Chargers ever beating the Ray Lewis Ravens Defense 3 times in one season.)

    Warner (He's good, but he has always had Tremendous Talent as Wide Outs in the Years he had Great Years. 5 years of his career are great, the rest mediocre.)

    Brees (Great Numbers, zero ability to win big games. Take the Tampa game this year, his team needed a win, the tossed 2 picks in the last 4 minutes)

    McNabb (This guy can't win a big game. Yes, he lacks the great talent at WR for most of his career, but he chokes in big spots. He gets nervous and shaky and can not handle pressure at all. He had the ball with a chance to lead his team to Victory in this year's NFC Title game and in the Super Bowl against the Pats, he Choked both times.)

    I'll give you Brady and Payton Clearly. I don't argue against those two guys being 1&2 right now.

    But Palmer? No way, he had one of the best wide receiver corps in football and couldn't win a single playoff game since coming out of USC. Not one Playoff game. Imagine if Brady or Manning had Housh and Chad in their Prime?

    Cutler? Come on, the guy has had one ok year and was the QB of the only team in NFL History to be 9-3 and Miss the Playoffs. Great QBs are Great Leaders too. He has proven nothing.

    Rodgers. Took an NFC Championship Game Team and missed the Playoffs. He may need a couple years to shake off the Favre legacy. Tell me though, if the Packers start the season next year 0-6, is he still QB of that team? I don't think so. I think a coach could very well be fired in GB next year because of Rodgers.
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    In my opinion since there are different styles of offense, certain stats such as passing yardage and touchdowns probably are over rated and are not very good measuring sticks when comparing players. There are a couple of stats that I prefer, because they take in several parts of a quarterbacks's game. Quarterback Rating uses four components: completion percentage, yards per attempt, touchdowns per attempt, and interceptions per attempt. Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt uses passing yards, passing touchdowns, yardage lost on sacks, passing attempts and sacks.

    Here's the comparison of the two for each of their first five seasons.

    QB Rating Numbers
    BR: 98.1, 98.6, 75.4, 104.1, 80.1; total of 89.4
    TB: 86.5, 85.7, 85.9, 92.6, 92.3; total of 88.5

    QB Rating Rank
    BR: 5th, 3rd, 21st, 2nd, 24th; average of 11th
    TB: 6th, 10th, 10th, 9th, 6th; average of 8th

    ANY/A Numbers
    BR: 6.4, 6.9, 4.6, 5.8, 4.9; total of 5.5
    TB: 5.0, 5.1, 5.5, 6.4, 6.4; total of 5.8

    ANY/A Rank
    BR: 6th, 2nd, 19th, 11th, 25th; average of 13th
    TB: 13th, 20th, 8th, 7th, 7th; average of 11th


    Not a huge difference but Brady does appear to have a better start than Roethlisberger; I'll give Big Ben credit, it was closer than I thought it would be. However Brady appears to have improved over those first five years while Roethlisberger seems to be far more inconsistent, and to have actually regressed since his first two seasons. And while Roethlisberger may have a chance at equalling Brady's sixth year, I seriously doubt anyone thinks he will match his seventh season.
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    You forgot one important stat where Roethlisberger probably has a permanent lead:

    :D

    On a somewhat more serious note, I think this speaks at least a little as to the intelligence of these two QBs.
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    If Big Ben hadn't messed up his body on the motorcycle, his stats might never have dipped like that.
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    Bulger, Culpepper and Pennington all rank ahead of Brady in all-time QB Rating.
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    Brady does win in the all important dating hot actresses/models category 3 (Giselle, Bridgette Moynahan, Tara Reid before she went totally insane) to 1 (Missy Peregrym).
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    Not according to Pro Football Reference; I guess we use different sites for our info.

    92.9 - Brady (4th)
    90.6 - Pennington (6th)
    89.4 - Roethlisberger (7th)
    89.0 - Culpepper (9th)
    85.6 - Bulger (15th)

    I'm not saying QB Rating is perfect - it isn't - but total yards and TD give a distinct advantage to the QB that is on a team that throws more often. The Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt stat should actually help Roethlisberger in comparison to other QB's based on his ability to avoid sacks.
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    honestly folks, I'm just happy I finally have a QB that is even in the dicussion when it comes to "best in the league"

    After OdenHell, Bumble Brister, Kordell, Maddox, ThomzHack, Malone and so on...its great to finally have a guy, that when there is 2:46 left in the Super Bowl, I can have confidence is going to lead us on a game winning TD drive. Even if it starts with a 1st and 20.
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    Stop smoking that wacky weed. Tom wins games for the Patriots more often then not. The Steelers win games despite Rothlisberger more often then not. It's the defense in Pitt not Rothlisberger. To even mention the two in the same sentence is a joke. The way I read it the 2008 season is included in those stats and the 2000 season is not.

    I don't know what games you have been watching but there are a LOT of QB's better then Rothlisberger. He's nothing more then mediocre.
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    Once again, I totally disagree. I watch a Lot of Football, and Ben wins more games than he loses. By a lot. He has 19 game winning drives in the 4th or OT. The Jags playoff game, he lead the Steelers on a drive to take the lead and the Defense let up a 4th and 1 Scramble to allow the Jags to get into FG Range to win the game. Samething against the Jets last year, and the Cards, the Defense choked both those games out after Ben lead us to either Tie or Take the lead. Defense even choked in the SB. He had to lead them on that last drive. Did it against Baltimore as well, the #2 defense. 80 yard drive to win the game.

    Yeah, he had a couple horrible games, especially after he face planted a windshield. But the last 2 years he's been pretty solid.

    What big game has Cutler Won? Or McNabb? Or Rivers or Breese? Rodgers?

    Maybe Eli but apparently he can't throw on windy days.
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    I wouldn't say Brady's game would've been a dud. Would he have won Super Bowl MVP? No. But he played well enough to keep them in the game.

    More importantly, Brady was going up against one of the best defenses in the league in the Rams (7th in scoring, 3rd in YPG) and Roethlisberger was playing the Cards, who during the regular season had the 28th ranked scoring defense in the league.

    But again, history won't remember any of that anyway. They just remember rings.
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    Well if this 'so called' mediocre QB does enough and makes the little mistakes in 5 years to help his team earn 2 SB titles during that span then this so called mediocre QB seems to be doing more than enough and thats all that matters.
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