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    TDs
    Brady: 197
    Montana: 141

    INTs
    Brady: 86
    Montana: 89

    Yards
    Brady: 26,446
    Montana: 24,552

    NFL MVP
    Brady: 1
    Montana: 0

    Super Bowl Championships
    Brady: 3
    Montana: 2

    Conference Championships
    Brady: 4
    Montana: 2

    Playoff Record
    Brady: 14-3
    Montana: 7-4

    Brady on a great pace.

    Do note that Brady has started 12 additional games at this point in his career.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    GOAT baaaaaaaahhh


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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Wow. Those really are impressive numbers.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Did montana ever break the touchdown record in his first 9 years? I think that stat is pretty important.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Brady is the man, but he will never definitely surpass Montana in most people's minds until:

    -he wins a 4th ring, or more
    -or, he completely dominates the rest of his Superbowl appearances. Montana was always clutch in Superbowls, the best ever.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Any chance you have Peyton's stats from his first 9 years to throw in there as an additional comparison?
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    And when has Brady been any less clutch...lets not forget he did lead a should have been game winning drive in the SB that many don't talk about.

    I think Brady and Montana are 1-2 and the order is up for debate us in new england will take Tommy Cali will take Montana and I bet it splits pretty even between the coasts.

    If Tommy wins more SBs the debate will be over.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Very impressive stats and comparison, the end result with be the final numbers though.. even though that will be the topic of much discussion in the future... my bet is on #12.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    So that means he was 4 games shy of a full season more but got 56 more TDs. That would be a record for a full season not just a 12 game one.
    Despite the fact that he has played 12 more games, he still manage to throw 3 less INTs.
    I'm not sure ol' JM will be considered the greatest by anyone once TFB retires with all the achievements he is yet to achieve.:D
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Nice work. I would like to see a comparison using the same ammount of games. That would be more apples to apples. Still though, it's a pretty neat comparison.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Looking purely at stats isn't the answer, otherwise you'd have to say Marino or Peyton are better than Brady.

    Also, historically teams in the 80's passed less than nowadays. Look at the total yardage of the top 10 passing teams every year in the 80's, compared to now. Bart Starr is in the Hall of Fame and his stats are far worse than Drew Bledsoe's.

    It's true Brady did have great game winning FG drives, but Montana has had multiple game-winning TD drives, many of which were in huge games, coming from behind, and starting deep in his own territory. This, on top of his ridiculous Superbowl stats, still make him ahead of Brady through their first 9 years.

    Now, if Brady wins a 4th ring to match Montana, and does it with some late game TD heroics, I could see him being the GOAT.
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    Spot on in your assesment, Mav. The Montana discussion goes way beyond numbers.

    Brady is on his way no question.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Manning,
    144 games (vs 98 for montana and 111 for Brady)-Keepin mind Brady's stats are effectively 7 years with minimal in 2000 and 2008.

    275 TD 139 Int 37576 yds

    Team record
    Manning 92-52
    Brady 87-24
    Montna 67-31
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Especially insert Satan Manning on the playoff stat:

    PLAYOFF RECORD
    Manning 7-8 :eek:
    Brady 14-3
    Montana 7-4
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    I'm not sure "Games choked" is an official statistic.......
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Just adding in Manning's first 9 years, per WhoaDirty's request, and adding TD/INT ratio

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    >>>>playoff record
    Manning: 7-6<<<<<<

    Actually he's 7-8 with 6 'one and done' in the first round.......
    Take out 2006 when the defense carried them and he's 3-8, Schottenheimeresque.......
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Comparing stats of players from different teams, different systems, and most importantly different eras is futile. Brady is the man of his era, Montana was the man of his era - lets just leave it at that.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    It's not futile. It simply tells one small piece of the puzzle. Some good information can be gleaned from stats, but without context, and without looking at many more factors, they are meaningless.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Not in the first 9 seasons.....

    2006 was season #9 for Manning, since he's been in the league longer than Brady. He's gone 0-2 in the playoffs since then.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    The only game I can think of is the AFC championship game against the Colts when he threw the pick to Marlin Jackson. I don't blame that loss on brady (rather the defense falling apart in the second half), but he did have a chance to go down and win the game at the end and didn't.

    Also, I still don't know why they panicked after the Giants scored and started throwing bombs when they had enough time to get into field goal range, but once again Brady had the ball at the end of the game. I remember Brady missing Welker down the middle, so I might be wrong in this assessment (and then he got drilled by Tuck on the next play), but it seemed like Brady was rushing and not his cool self. However, this is not Madden and it would be pretty ridiculous to expect them to drive down the field again.
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    May be nit-picking but he was his lesser-self vs Denver in the 2006 Divisional.
    bad pick to Champ Bailey at the goal line to Troy Brown. The game was lost on turnovers and questionable PI calls no question.
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    your assesment seems to ignore the INT column as you say passing is more prevelant yet Brady still threw less picks....as someone else said stats don't tell the whole story but they are part of it or better yet they are one of many tools to use as measuring sticks.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Any playoff performance where Brady doesn't look like Brady, I tend to think there's an injury. When the Pats lost to the Broncos in the playoffs? He had a sports hernia. I mean, are you f'n kidding me??

    I think he was injured in the SB. We just won't know about it until after his career is over and another book is written.
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    C'mon! Ellis Hobbs played at a high-level w/ a sports hernia. Why can't Brady? :p
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    I think it was well known he had an ankle injury in that superbowl which he hurt late in the Chargers game. (we all know of the SB36 ankle).

    I also heard rumors he was playing SB42 with a sports hernia as well though that was a rumor and wasn't as documented as the ankles in 36 and 42

    I am sure Montana played thru his share of pain too...leading the chiefs to 13-3 after his serious knee injury comes to mind.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    1: there was 17 seconds on the clock when he threw it to Marlin Jackson. the game was already over before he forced that, you can't possibly chalk that up to nervousness or choking. The colts had everyone in coverage buzzing around to make the pick....and I honestly can't remember who we were trying to throw to? Caldwell? Gaff? Troy?....it wasn't a fair fight.
    2: they probably threw the first bomb because there was about 15 seconds on the clock....and because it was a damn good call and perfectly executed, other than maybe Randy not really fighting the corner for the ball...even if they don't score there they can tie the game with kick...the Giants DB coach called the tight coverage on that play as the best play of the game (not the helmet catch). The second bomb was desperation....last play of the game....they couldn't have thrown underneath on that one. the lack of time and the "prevent defense" won teh game for the Giants on that drive...yes, the prevent defense actually works in certain situations.

    The Champ Bailey INT was thrown BEFORE Champ broke...it was a great play by what was the best corner in teh league....Tom didn't anticipate Champ would jump it because Champ had been crossed up by the pick plays all night...there are bad picks and good ones....most people can't figure it out. that was a good one.

    the famous montana drive in 89 against Bengals was masterful and did indeed go the length of the field. but let's not go Paul Bunyan on it. He had a little help on that one (Rice's 27 yard catch over the middle is still for my money the best catch he ever made and Joe made a great throw under a lot of pressure)....and Joe's 10-yard game winner to Taylor was a thing of beauty. But Montana also had ALL 3 timeouts, the 2-minute warning (i.e. the 4th timeout), and did I mention Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Roger Craig? I still think what Brady did with 80 seconds and no timeouts and really a motley crew around him to get Adam in position was every bit as impressive if not more.
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    Dwight Clark/Jerry Rice - 9 years

    Randy Moss - 1 year

    No one has even done more with less than Tommy the Great
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    You're right...He only had 4 'one and dones' then.........
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    Re: Brady vs Montana: First 9 years

    There is No need to compare them they were from diffrent eras there are always great ones per era I am not old enough to have seen all in the super bowl era but i'll attempt to give a nice list

    60's Bart starr
    70's Terry bradshaw (this one is debateable)
    80's Joe Montana
    90's Troy Aikmen (again could be steve young)
    00's Tom Brady

    I think that preety much covers it
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