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  1. Born_a_Patriot

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    Manning's 92.3 passer rating is fourth best in history. Brady's is seventh. “Pundits” insist that Manning is a statistical wunderkind who puts up unfathomable numbers and that Brady is a “system” quarterback who “manages” his team well. The Cold, Hard Football Facts have *****-slapped these beliefs up and down the side of the skull: The truth is that the statistical margin between the two quarterbacks is a lot smaller than most in the football world realize (or are willing to admit). If you insist that stats are all that matters, you better be prepared to give Brady his due. He, like Manning, is one of the most statistically dominant quarterbacks in NFL history – and Brady equals or exceeds many of Manning’s numbers at the same point in their careers.

    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=261

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    They are both exceptional quarterbacks. The fact remains that there is not an objective test to determine who is the better QB. Even if there was a difference it would not be much.
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    just my 2 cents ..this debate is getting old and even CHFF knows it.Quite frankly , the quality of QB's we have in this league like grossman,harrington,boller etc...we should be thankful we have 2 of the great QB's playing at the same time in their careers instead of trying to merely pit one against the other.
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    Can we not just appreciate that they are both great?? This debate will never be won or lost or finished.
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    They are both Great no question, but the Colts Trolls are starting to come here and trying to rain on our parade.
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    Manning is great. Who cares? Love our guy. Would not trade him today for anyone.
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    Yeah the coldhardfootball facts there are spot on.

    Manning has been on a team that was built for high scoring games, lack of defense, to sell tickets.

    The colts were forced to play 2 minute offense all the time with 5 wide and their goal was to score on every possession or lose. Thats why they've only tallied one championship, but meaningless stats such as TD Passes in a season etc..

    When comparing the two you're also forced to ignore post-season stats because Colts fans insist that those don't matter.

    Summary.
    If you want championships - Brady
    If you want anything else - Manning
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    I'll take the higher number of rings. If Brady can improve his stats with the weapons he has now, terrific, but I think the focus is still on winning.
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    What Pat fan would trade Brady for any QB in the NFL? Not one, is my guess! With weak weapons Brady managed to win 3 Superbowls. With strong weapons, well, Brady looks pretty damned good,dare I say instoppable. I have always thought Brady was a better overall QB than Manning - Brady is a better leader and winner. Manning, I used to think was a better passer, but even now I am thinking I was wrong. Seeing Brady with Moss, Brady might even be a better passer than Manning and he has only developed 3 game worth of chemistry versus years that Manning has had with his weapons!

    We know the answer to the question now, don't we? What would Brady do with weapons like Mannings??? But we will never know what Manning would do with weapons like Brady has had - 2 of those SB's with A. Smith at Running Back not to mention last years WR's!

    Also, doesn't one of these guys play half their games in a dome???

    Yeah, it's Brady!
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    Also in the South with his outdoor games....

    Tennessee, Houston and Jacksonville...

    11 of 16 games in good weather...:rolleyes:
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    I am surprisingly impressed with Eli Manning this year. With his improvement and experience, I do think that gives hm the edge over Brady Quinn.

    Only time will tell, though.
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    Good post. I agree. Both are very good. With Brady having some weapons, it's now fun watching the scroll to see how they compare as gameday unfolds. They were pretty close for awhile yesterday. Each had only missed 2-3 passes after there first 12-15. Close in yardage too. Then Colts ran it in, and Brady looked for Moss. Anyway, it's as if they are battling back and forth on gameday, and they don't know it. Brady is by far the frontrunner for MVP. He deserves one, hope he gets it.
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    When is the last time you were in the September heat of Miami? These guys can play in any weather. Stop with the dome crap!
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    Why? Domes make a difference! Brady has to work in the mudd, sleet, snow and rain not to mention fridgid temperatures. Manning has had little of that. It makes a difference. Perfect conditions make a difference to a QB and Manning has had an advantage.
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    We shall see. AFCCG will be in Foxboro this year hopefully so Polian cant turn up the heat this time.:rolleyes:

    We shall see if they can play in any weather.:rolleyes:
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    Brady's recent success reminds us how easy Manning has had it all these years. Both are supreme talents, but Brady has a better ratio of production/WRtalent.
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    Sure there is.
    The score is 3 to 1
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    I resent that.
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    I've read the article before, and I agree with it. Manning has been set up with a high powered offense for most of his career, and as such, as put up spectacular numbers. Whereas Brady has had to work much harder to get where he is.

    ya can reverse it though, and say that Brady's success in Championships over Manning is due to having a strong defense to complement him. But since when did a good D increase your passer rating? Point is, Brady has always been a step behind Manning statistically. Yet it's a small step. And he's maintained it with a relatively less talented corps, up until recently that is. Now we're seeing him outperform Manning with the weapons he has currently.
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    I've always thought Brady was a better overall QB than Manning. The difference has been offensive styles and quality WRs. Our team is built around taking a lead then running the ball and having strong D. Colts are purely a passing team. On top of that, Brady has had to deal with mediocre talent (offensively) throughout his career, while Manning has had extremely talented WRs.

    Well Now that Brady has better guys to throw to, he is just destroying everyone. Brady without weapons, slightly behind Manning. Brady with weapons, GODLIKE.

    But when all is said and done, they are both 2 all time greats... But Brady has 3.... (4) rings.
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    OVERRATED!!! So, you had 1 mud bowl last year. I get tired of the whole weather thing. Screw it, it's football, go play. That INCLUDES silly Colts fans posting weather forecasts for road trips. Manning had a pretty decent day in a driving rainstorm recently, did you catch it?
    Seriously though, it is friggin HOT in Miami in September, WHEN is the LAST TIME you played their in September??
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    #12 Jersey

    This has become a lot like Majic vs Bird.

    Can anybody really say who was the better of the two?

    I hated Majic in the early\mid 80's but in time I came to respect him and the rest of the Lakers. The knock on the Lakers was they weren't a tough team, sound familiar?

    After getting beat up by the Celtics, especially in the 84 finals the Lakers learned their lessons from their tormentors and became a smart tough team that could play "show time" Lakers ball but could also play Eastern Conference tough basketball.

    The Colts finally got it last year. Manning wasn't trying to go deep every down. He was willing to take what the defense was going to give him and the Colts made a commitment to the run with Addai. They also played tough physical run defense.

    The Celtics and the Lakers ended up becoming very respectful of each other especially as other teams and their stars players were disrespectful such as Sixers with Barkley, or the Pistons with Lambier, Thomas, etc.

    I don't know of any Colts players coming out and saying "Ya they only beat us in all those games because they knew our plays."

    Unlike Pitt with Bettis and Ward, or Cincy with Palmer. There was no "In NE they think if you're not cheating you're not trying" like LT, or like LT again with "If we played this team 10 times we would win 9."

    Why? Because the Colts players respect the NE players and know they are champions, and the Pats players feel the same way.

    As fans we are behind the curve on this because there's been so many great battles between these teams.

    Obviously I want the Pats to win another Super Bowl for a lot of reasons including Brady being viewed as the best to ever play but I think Manning and Brady are going to be viewed like Majic and Bird in the end.

    Also if I had to lose to another team and I was given the choice now, and this would have been much different a year ago, and the choices were:

    Jets and Mangina
    Chargers and Sir Whine-A-Lot
    Pitt with Ward I steal from my friends (and Bettis even though he's gone)
    Bengals and Carson I've never won a playoff game but we're better than NE

    or the Colts

    I'd pick the team who I respect and respects me every time.

    I'm going to enjoy this rivalry while it lasts and I hope we destroy the Colts in November and again in the playoffs but I hope they are playing great football and beat everybody else so these match ups are epic.
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    Manning won his against Rex, and with the worst passer rating in SB history (or damn close)..... so let's call it Brady = 3* , Manning - .5

    Go ahead and hold on to that silly asterisk in your mind, pretty soon it's all you have left to hold on to as your "1 and done" Colts once again fade away in the playoffs. It's sad that we won't even have the honor of getting to play you in the AFCCG this year for some payback. I'm putting my money on the Squealers coming in to RCA once again and punching you guys in the mouth and right out of the playoffs.

    AFCCG = Patriots 38, Steelers 14 :rocker:
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    Rex looked awful because our D was so dominant. And don't worry, if we don't get to meet in the AFCCG it's because some other team knocked you guys out and took that joy away from us. My money is on the Broncos, who own you. FYI - watch this weekend how a team handles them. Hopefully Belicheat will learn a thing or two. Maybe he can point his little camera towards the filed this time.
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    Not another baby excusing their team for losing.
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    A fan of a team that reportedly pumps in artificial crowd noise and plays games with stadium temperatures probably shouldn't be making references to so-called 'cheating' by other teams.
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    He looks awful because of everyone D. By the way, the Colts won out in the playoffs despite Peyton' piss-poor performances
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    Colts haven't been found guilty of anything, all pure speculation by opposing coaches. The temperature thing, if true, affects both teams so that's just silly. The noise is a by-product of playing in a small dome--it's called home-field advantage for a reason.

    THe pats however, well, you guys have been found guilty of cheating and fined accordingly. Public humiliation galore.

    But don't let those facts stand in the way of your argument...
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    Your team cheats. Now you're just being a hypocrite. Typical Colts troll.
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    Stop projecting, it's pathetic.
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