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  1. DaBronxPats14

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    Not sure if this was mentioned already,
    Unfortunately I didn't get to see Pats/Bills game so can someone tell me if it was roughing or intent to injure and justified with a 15 Grand Fine?

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    ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) -- Buffalo Bills defensive tackle Kyle Williams is questioning why he's been fined $15,000 by the NFL for a roughing the passer penalty against New England's Tom Brady.

    Williams revealed on Wednesday that he had been fined for a play that happened in the third quarter of a 52-28 loss to the Patriots on Sunday. Williams was flagged after he was knocked to the turf and his arm caught the back of Brady's leg.

    Brady still completed a 19-yard pass to Wes Welker. The penalty gave the Patriots the ball at the Bills 6, and Brady scored two plays later to tie the game at 21.

    Williams intends to appeal the fine, questioning what he did wrong when attempting to make a tackle while Brady still had the ball.
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    Ridiculous fine. The intent to injure was not there. He was simply making an effort to try to get to Brady.
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    They should send him a copy of the rule book.
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    Should suspend him imo. I lost about a days worth of life left on this planet. As usual with those plays when Brady goes down awkwardly.
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    I dont think he deserves a fine for that
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    Grab QB below the knees is illegal. I did not see "intent to injure" but that's subjective.
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    Bills fans are going mad about it and somehow believe it shouldn't have even been a penalty :bricks:

    This is the highlight of that thread though:

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    My heart certainly skipped a beat! But no way was it fine worthy!
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    I am pretty sure that the tuck rule already existed!
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    It did :p

    Plus isn't the "Brady rule" actually just an amendment to the earlier "Carson Palmer rule"?
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    If after watching the second half of that game they center on this to complain about, Bills fans have greater problems than any of us are capable of solving. With that said, by rule, it was clearly deserving of a penalty but after watching the game again last night I didn't detect any visible intent to injure. Just my take.
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    PFT is saying Brady's injury was the reason for the rule.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/03/kyle-williams-fined-15000-for-low-hit-on-tom-brady/

    FALSE.

    fact check: Brady is not responsible for the existence of “The Carson Palmer Rule” As they say, “you can look it up” and “Google is your friend”

    Carson Palmer - ArmchairGM Wiki - Sports Wiki Database

    “During the off-season, the NFL Rules Committee modified the rule regarding low hits on quarterbacks, prohibiting defenders from hitting a passer at or below the knee unless they are blocked into him. Injuries to Palmer, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and then-Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Brian Griese were cited as reasons for the new rule.

    The so-called “Kimo Rule”, also known as the “Carson Palmer Rule”, now requires that defenders take every opportunity to avoid hitting a quarterback at or below the knees when the quarterback is in a defenseless position looking to throw with both feet on the ground."
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    Here's the Brady addendum to the Carson Palmer rule, as explained by a member of the committee that got it passed:

    Brady rule: Steps taken to protect QBs' knees - The Boston Globe

    Bills fans can cry all they want. Next time, maybe Williams will adjust accordingly. He can swipe at the legs without launching the body, or he can launch above the knee.
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    Find it quite funny that they got Jeff Fisher of all people to talk about that addition :p
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    Considering the way they throw fines arond (for playing football) I suppose it's fair. I don't think he intended to injure, but he knew he was wrong - he pulled back.

    If they want to discourage it, fine it.
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    Pfft that's a slap on the wrist level fine.. who cares. We've all seen some questionable fines recently. If I were a Bills fan I think I would be more concerned with that ridiculously expensive defense and it's inability to stop anyone.
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    God help him had he touched a ref's arm...$50K
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    I found the difference in wording used by a Buffalo newspaper and the NFL's own web site to be very interesting regarding this incident - because it's just the opposite of what I would have assumed.


    The Buffalo columnist writes that "Bills defensive tackle Kyle Williams knew it was coming. The letter from the NFL was in his locker today informing him of a $15,000 fine for his hit on Tom Brady during Sunday’s loss to the New England Patriots" and that the "penalty and the fine are consistent with NFL rules on protecting the quarterback on hits to the lower legs."

    At NFL.com the column reads that "Williams was flagged after he was knocked to the turf and his arm caught the back of Brady's leg".




    Bills notebook: Kyle Williams fined for Brady hit - Sports - The Buffalo News

    Buffalo Bills' Kyle Williams questions fine for hit on Brady | NFL.com
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    Yeah, had to laugh at the bolded part when i read the OPs post. And JFK was pushed into the back of the VP's seat in the limousine when the bullet grazed him. (ok, ok little over the top but you get the idea)

    Fine was fully deserved and the move was COMPLETELY AGAINST THE RULES (sorry Kontra - but dems da facts).

    Of course he will appeal - every player appeals. If the fine gets knocked down we never hear about it. (So I think it probably gets cut in half 50% of the time)

    Also gotta laugh at all you guys who think you are CARNAC THE MAGNIFICENT and can judge INTENT by watching a videotape. Last I heard intent is either an INTERNAL THOUGHT PROCESS or could be inferred by a DELIBERATE PREPARATION TO DO AN ACT. Not sure how you can determine that in this case.
    I am willing to give him benefit of the doubt; but I wont rule intent to injure out. And that still leaves him as playing with RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT because he didn't care what the rules were - he just wanted to get to the QB at all costs. If he is a professional, he knows what the rules are and doesnt do that - he plays under control.
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    Williams got screwed..its as simple as that

    Williams is one tough DL and did not try and harm Brady...he was landing on the play and just at the legs of Brady,but as anyone can see when he dropped Brady he did NOT hang onto his legs.

    That is the difference between dirty and not dirty

    Now everyone who didn't already think so is going to now think that Brady gets special treatment
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