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Belichick's dual TE threat started in 1970s - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Great Find. A lot of people don't realize that BB learned a LOT about the OFFENSE during his time in Detroit..
NFL: How did New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick learn offense? A trailer deep in Tennessee holds some clues -- and his tutor. - ESPN
Great articles! Thanks for sharing! Learned something interesting about BB today. Who would think the seed of the Pats current dominant 2 tight end offense started growing over 30 years ago?!
Ah **** this ****...no offense has had two guys as talented combined with a QB like Brady before. NE has the 1st step on everybody as usual.
EDIT: These articles pop up just because guess what...the NE offense is dominating the league because of our duo. It's rare in todays league to even have 1 dominant TE.
Yes, and in all fairness, I think the Gronk/Hernandez tight end was what he was dreaming about when he selected Daniel Graham and Ben Watson with first round picks. Of course, it just didn't pan out.
I like the quote by Falcons HC Mike Smith, calling Gronkowski and Hernandez "queens of the chessboard"... Good analogy.
What impresses me most about what the Pats have done with the tight ends is getting them to understand coverages and make the proper adjustments on the fly.
You can always find tight ends with similar skill sets (a lesser degree with Gronk) but getting the mental part and timing down is what keeps many teams from using tight ends in a similar way.
TE's drafted by BB. The man likes TE more than Matt Millan likes WRs. He has been trying to make this work for quite some time.
Arther Love 2001
Daniel Graham 2002
Ben Watson 2004
Andy Stokes 2005
David Thomas 2006
Rob Gronkowski 2010
Aaron Hernandez 2010
Lee Smith 2011
The man obviously loves the versatility the position provides but i seriously doubt that he thought that he can build an entire offense around it.
To me this is more about the individual skill sets of the players. The HOF QB,the freak of nature in gronk and the extraordinary skills of AH to lineup anywhere on the field and be a weapon.
It's the perfect storm....unless we lose of course.
Our tight ends are superb but I think the real key that makes them work so well is the one and only Tom Brady.
Most Patriots observers have long noted that Belichick has always been searching for a strong Two TE approach.
It‚Äôs taken him awhile to find the guys up to the task, but Belichick knows just how vulnerable most defenses are to that sort of attack
Why else would he expend so many #1 draft picks?
Of course Gronk and Hernandez are two very talented specimins. Hernandez has WR speed for short stretches and Gronkowski's taller than most WRs and simply drags four defenders with him into the end zone.
+Garrett Mills 2006
I love TEs, we deserve this after years of Graham/Watson/etc. frustration.
Graham sure could block though...
Imagine Gronk and AH lined up heavy left in a Power-T or a split with Vereen and Ridley behind some over-sized QB like Mallett .... Old-school re-introduces itself, yet again, to the NFL.
Or is it past my bedtime?
It's past my bed-time.
You clearly don't get it. At all. The article I posted was from 2 years ago. BEFORE the Pats had Gronk and Hernandez.
The FACT is that Belichick developed the CONCEPT of the 2 TE set being a BASE offense back when he was coaching for the Lions. And they USED IT with 2 very good TEs. They weren't Gronk and Hernandez, but they were two of the better TEs in that era.
The article backs up the idea that Belichick has WANTED to have a 2 TE base with two good to excellent TEs for a LONG TIME. He attempted to do it with Graham and Watson, but it didn't work out. But it doesn't change the fact that he's been trying to do it for awhile.
OMG.. You really are that obtuse. You didn't actually read either article, did you? What you "seriously doubt" doesn't make a damn bit of difference to what is reality. The REALITY is that, back in 1976, Belichick, Shipp and Hudspeth DID develop an offense to feature their 2 TEs.
It's well known that Belichick had his OWN Offensive play-book and that it has been the BIBLE that Weis, McDaniels, and O'Brien have used for the Pats offense. Yes, they've made their own tweaks. The team took stuff out based on what their personnel allowed them to do. But it was still BELICHICK'S.
So this idea that it just came about due to Gronkowski and Hernandez has no merit.
ESPN Stats on how GRONKnandez are reshaping the TE position
New England Patriots' Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez making tight end history - ESPN Boston
Re: ESPN Stats on how GRONKnandez are reshaping the TE position
Nice read, and great comments by Hernandez. Thanks for posting this! :rocker:
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