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WTF? The situations are in no way comparable. A top-5 CB is a MUCH more valuable commodity than an average WR; I don't know why you'd need anyone to tell you that.
It was a joke. Now calm down before someone at your job asks you why there is a huge vein bulging out of your neck.
There is no cap advantage in holding off on a deal with a franchise tagged player. Any deal would certainly lower his 2007 cap hit to 1/5th or 1/6th of his bonus (amortization) plus salary (which on the heels on a signing bonus is generally in the minimum range), which would likely cut his present cap hit at least in half.
I know some surmize there is some potential great strategic significance to withholding announcing a deal, but in reality other than perhaps causing a team or two just ahead of or behind us to maneuver if they believe we are targeting a specific player as a result, teams draft who they draft based either on their own need or assessment of best available talent.
Not to mention postponing an announcement would also postpone the player's receipt of his signing bonus, and given it would be in the multi millions I just don't see a player or agent passing up investment and interest income on that signing bonus to play draft decoy. A deal isn't official until it's submitted to the league and they sign off on it, and league sources can't keep their mouths shut when in posession of significant information like a deal having been submitted.
Samuel's agent basically said that the tag was not a problem for them so long as both sides continued to view it as a means to an end - that end being a long term deal. Only the team knows at this point how far they are prepared to go to that end. And only Asante and his agent know what their bottom line demands are and whether or not there is anyone else interested in paying him what he wants in a long term deal.
If they cannot get a deal done then it will eventually become a problem/issue, because after July 15th they cannot do a long term deal regardless of whether the team or player might still want to. At that point the tag represents what the agent said would be a problem for them - playing under a one year deal with no possibility of a long term deal.
I just don't see Belioli heading into a season with that kind of potential for disruption and disharmony on the heels of last season's debaucle with Branch. Not with all the positives they have created already this off season with the FA signings of Thomas, Welker and Stallworth. And since trading him would necessitate having someone else in mind to replace him, I can't see it happening except before the draft. After the draft it would almost have to involve a player in place of or in addition to picks. There just isn't anyone on the roster you can honestly pencil in to replace a starting CB. Gay has yet to prove he can stay on the field or be anything more than a one year wonder three years removed. And Wilson hasn't played the position since college and has struggled with injuries as it is.
Given that, I think they keep the tag on Samuel and let the year play out, with the expectation that Samuel will not sit nor cry poverty for getting a paltry $8 million this season.
One word: Why?
two words:signing bonus
There's a good chance Asante will get traded on Draft day or before july 16.
The reason is that every year he plays under the Franchise tag is a LOST year of signing bonus $$.
italia44 said:Despite the fact he will receive 7.8M in Franchise tender,in his mind,he will not be getting the 5M-7M in upfront bonus money he and his agent desires.
italia44 said:A Franchised player knows that another team will always pay more in upfront money than your existing team....it's the nature of the business.
italia44 said:I believe Asante wants a signing bonus between what Dre Bly received and what Clements got from SF.This is way over what we gave to AD,who came from another team.To gives this to a player,already on your roster,would cause serious problems with the other veterans on the Patriots.
Trust me,on draft day,if the Pats draft a CB in the First round,and other teams didn't get one of the top CB's........this is going to really heat up.
Faced with being tagged again next year,which would be another year w/o the signing bonus,Asante WILL hold out for 10 games this season.
WHY?.......because it works!
The risk of injury is too great to play under the Franchise tag.
italia44 said:If Asante doesn't sign by Draft day,this is going to get ugly.....because,like Ty Law,Asante will go to whomever pays the most bonus $$.......and there will be a few teams,who didn't spend during the FA period,looking to make a big splash for their fan base.
BB/SP want to resolve this,either by signing or trading him.....they don't want a repeat of the Branch fiasco,to do this again would have serious ramifications on team morale,for a second season,IMHO.
Not exactly. There's no way he gets $8M in base salary with a new deal. When all is said and done, new deal or not, he'll be getting somewhere around $8M in 2007. There's no difference.
Of course there's a difference......a huge one:
Again.it's the Signing Bonus...A Franchised player
gets 7.8M.......after a career-ending injury,he gets 7.8M
A Franchised player signs a new contract with 18-25M in upfront bonus money.He suffers a career-ending injury and receives.........let me count......18-25M in up-front bonus money+ his year one salary.
Can't you see this?
There's really no difference. The franchise tender, once signed, is fully guaranteed.
That's always going to be true with the franchise tag, considering the new team is going to give him a multi-year deal that in all likelihood will contain more signing bonus money (that he receives after signing) than the tag.
Read the post again....I'm not comparing the Franchise money to the bonus money.
I'm comparing what Asante's team(Patriots) would give him in upfront bonus money versus what ANOTHER TEAM,would give him upfront.
To believe another team,desperate for a top-flight CB would not give Asante more....is naive.
You're assuming way to much here. The moment he signs that franchise tender, he gets $8M in his pocket. And he gets to stay put and play for a contender. If he gets tagged again next year, fine! Another $8-10M in his pocket.
of course,I'm assuming....that's the idea of the thread.You act like every franchise player is thrilled about the guaranteed money they will receive,.......news flash,historically,they're not.
(see Adam V).
I don't think draft day is the end-all-be-all for Samuel. The Pats are most likely going to draft a DB early no matter what. If it begins to look like a long-term deal won't be worked out, that's when they can consider trading him for another year of two first round picks, or have him take the $8M in tender money.
two words:signing bonus
There's a good chance Asante will get traded on Draft day or before july 16.
The reason is that every year he plays under the Franchise tag is a LOST year of signing bonus $$.
Despite the fact he will receive 7.8M in Franchise tender,in his mind,he will not be getting the 5M-7M in upfront bonus money he and his agent desires.A Franchised player knows that another team will always pay more in upfront money than your existing team....it's the nature of the business.
I believe Asante wants a signing bonus between what Dre Bly received and what Clements got from SF.This is way over what we gave to AD,who came from another team.To gives this to a player,already on your roster,would cause serious problems with the other veterans on the Patriots.
Trust me,on draft day,if the Pats draft a CB in the First round,and other teams didn't get one of the top CB's........this is going to really heat up.
Faced with being tagged again next year,which would be another year w/o the signing bonus,Asante WILL hold out for 10 games this season.
WHY?.......because it works!
The risk of injury is too great to play under the Franchise tag.
If Asante doesn't sign by Draft day,this is going to get ugly.....because,like Ty Law,Asante will go to whomever pays the most bonus $$.......and there will be a few teams,who didn't spend during the FA period,looking to make a big splash for their fan base.
BB/SP want to resolve this,either by signing or trading him.....they don't want a repeat of the Branch fiasco,to do this again would have serious ramifications on team morale,for a second season,IMHO.
I agree the Pats will draft a CB and it will have little to do with the Asante situation.
I'm simply stating that there will be OTHER teams,who don't get there CB in the Draft,will then
start looking towards dealing for Asante.
Patriots,not interested?Probably,not.However,another team offering a mega-bonus to Asante will seriously change the DYNAMICS of what Asante and his agent will accept from the Patriots.
get it?.......It's the threat that this may become untenable for the Pats is the reason I believe that this will heat up on Draft day.
It just isn't realistic to believe otherwise.
I understand all of this, but you have not explained why NE would not just sign him. Does anyone really want to use Samuel and a first to get an unproven rookie, and expensive one at that?
It doesn't make sense for NE to do that at all.
I think that many fans are viewing the Samuel situation with a lense that has been clouded by Branch.
per Adam Schecter NFL Network:
Asante Samuel unhappy,will seek trade or holdout.
any comment,pats1?