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    He is reporting the Pats offered Asante Samuel a contract worth approximately $6mil/year. Additionally he doesn't believe the Skins are interested in a trade for the CB.
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    If that is true and Asante turned that down then I have no sympathy for him.
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    I agree 100%
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    The differences between Asante and the Pats may be with regard to

    the amount of guaranteed money.
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    The structure of the deal is what matters.
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    Link? I heard him last night saying he didn't think the Skins were interested and he also didn't think he'd be traded because the Pat's would likely not take anything less than full franchise compensation. Of course he also said we were going to tender Welker. Sometimes the price Adam pays for his info appears to be agreeing to get a message out.

    $6M AAV is a very fair offer for Asante, it's about $500K more than he'd get from me and probably around a million more than they were offering him last November. If course the devil is in the details, including bonus and guarantees. The bonus is likely still in the $10M+ range (which would be up $2.5M from their last offer and certainly elite in terms of this team where only Brady, Seymour and now Thomas have warranted double digit signing bonus) or he'd have leaked that too, and the guaranteed money is probably closer to $14M than $16M.

    Judging from his own assessment of the gap between what he's hearing he's worth and what we're telling him he's worth, my guess is he wants closer to $7M with a lot more - at least a third and probably closer to 40-50% guaranteed ($14-18M). He seemed quite piqued about what Thomas got in comparison to what he was being offered.

    I don't think they can bridge that kind of gap right now when they are already likely pretty close to their limit for what he's worth to this team at best. Especially where the signing/bonus money is concerned. Leaking the AAV is a way to alert other suitors that the Pat's believe he is worth at least this and it wouldn't take too much more for a suitor to sign him (provided they were anticipating paying a good chunk of the contract in guaranteed or bonus money for cap purposes anyway).
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    He also said that Samuel is mad because he is not being offered an "elite" contract. And the way he said it, it sounds like "elite" came directly from Samuel. If he thinks he should be paid as one of the "elite" cb's in the league he is fooling himself.
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    why? hes worth more..he wants Dre Bly type of deal. thats $6.6 per year..he probably wants al ittle more.

    Schefter said its believed we offered around 6 mill..could be 5.7, 5.5 who knows
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    Precisely. Nate Clements deal goes from seeming like $10 mil a year to $8 mill a year when you realize he'll never see the money in the last two years of the deal.

    If Samuel's being offered $6 mil a year, and the deal is at all backended, then it could very well work out to being functionally less than $5 mil a year.
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    Samuel keeps saying how he wants a fair deal, not a crazy deal, and that's exactly what that is. 6 mil per year is the max I would offer him, an I think that is damn generous for a CB who has one very good year but has been inconsistent at times. Just because other teams overpaid for cornerbacks doesn't make it fair value.
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    There's no link yet - Schefter just called in within the last hour.
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    Why?

    There are many, many teams out there who would be willing to take the gamble of giving Samuel an "elite" deal and hoping he lives up to it.
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    Yeah and doing business like that is what helps earn the picks at the top of a draft every year.
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    Agreed.

    I don't want to see the Pats to overpay for Samuel, which is why I'd understand if a deal can't be worked out. I would love it if Samuel were willing to take a below market deal for us -- but that doesn't make it correct to say that Samuel is "fooling himself" to want a deal commensurate with his present market value.
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    Well, they should have drafted Samuel earlier than the patriots and spent money developing him. Their tough luck if they didn't. The franchise tag is there for a reason.
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    Why shouldn't he be? He's a top-5 CB.
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    Um...where's your smiley face? Is your winking emoticon not functioning?
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    I dont agree with that. top 10 maybe
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    I'm not joking at all.

    The only CBs I would take over Samuel are Bailey, Asomugha, and maybe Mathis.
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    Yes. The reason is that the owners demanded it if they were going to agree to a CBA that instituted free agency in the NFL.

    What does this have to do with Samuel not wanting to sign a below-market deal?
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