$10 Million Wrongful death lawsuit filed against Patriots

[robbomango]

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Too bad that instead of being "subject to ejection without refund and potential loss of ticket privileges for future events" that the security guard decided that another course of action was appropriate.

How upset would the father have been if he were escorted out with his son like a criminal? The results probably would've been the same. I'd'v been enraged that's for sure.

I'll take the argument and staying in the stadium, thank you very much....

 

[Demosthenes]

You are clearly right and know exactly what happened. I am clearly wrong.

That's the first correct thing you have said in this entire thread.

 

[belichick010405]

That's the first correct thing you have said in this entire thread.

You are clearly trying to make personal attacks. You are also clearly right and I am clearly incorrect in everything that I have said.

 

[Ian]

That's the first correct thing you have said in this entire thread.

You are clearly trying to make personal attacks. You are also clearly right and I am clearly incorrect in everything that I have said.

And I'm clearly jumping in and telling you both to break it up and keep the thread on track

 

[belichick010405]

How upset would the father have been if he were escorted out with his son like a criminal? The results probably would've been the same. I'd'v been enraged that's for sure.

I'll take the argument and staying in the stadium, thank you very much....

I am still trying to figure out if what happened was so egregious according to this security guard that instead of following the Patriots rules as stated that he decided that instigating two arguments with the childs' father was the best course of action rather than first discussing it with the NFL officials who appear to have started all of this.

 

[JackBauer]

Are you being serious Jack? There is a difference between being negligent and unaware of your current medical condition by either party.

What is this even supposed to mean? How could the security guard be negligent for not accommodating a guy's heart condition when said security guard couldn't have known the guy had a heart condition?

 

[robbomango]

I am still trying to figure out if what happened was so egregious according to this security guard that instead of following the Patriots rules as stated that he decided that instigating two arguments with the childs' father was the best course of action rather than first discussing it with the NFL officials who appear to have started all of this.

It's truly a sad situation but I just think it's one of those things that would've happened sooner or later imo. I can't comment on the mothers motives, it sucks to lose a husband and father of her child. These stories put a knot in my gut.

 

[belichick010405]

What is this even supposed to mean? How could the security guard be negligent for not accommodating a guy's heart condition when said security guard couldn't have known the guy had a heart condition?

Jack - I am not saying that the security guard is negligent for not knowing or accommodating someone that may or may not have a heart or cardiac condition.

What I am saying since there are more than a few posts providing supposition that Mr. Chartier knew or even had some form of medical ailment related to his heart or cardiac condition and that was the proximate cause to this tragic event based on a couple of pictures on a website.

 

[Demosthenes]

I am still trying to figure out if what happened was so egregious according to this security guard that instead of following the Patriots rules as stated that he decided that instigating two arguments with the childs' father was the best course of action rather than first discussing it with the NFL officials who appear to have started all of this.

Maybe his dog died ? Or his cat ran away? Or his ferret fell into the commode ? Or his Hopper stopped working and missed a show he wanted to record? Or his kid got a C on a test.

Doesn't change the fact that his actions aren't grounds for a wrongful death judgment.

 

[DaBruinz]

That's not true at all. I was approx 20 rows from the guy when he was having his heart attack and EMTs and security were tending to him in his seat, then they took him down to the field through an access gate (he was in the first or 2nd row). They carried him behind the endzone and continued to do compressions until the ambulance backed on to the field from the visitors tunnel. They put him in the ambulance and drove away. Other fans (maybe friends) and security brought the son up the steps and away from the scene before they took him to the field.

He was a large man for sure, but not morbidly obese or 'massive'.

I need to correct myself. Morbidly obese is 100lbs over your ideal weight (which is based on each individual person). Mr. Chartier was obese.

 

[DaBruinz]

You are clearly right and know exactly what happened. I am clearly wrong.

Gotta love when a person like yourself can't be bothered to address the facts even when you are the one who stated some of them..

Why do you even bother posting if you get all huffy puffy because people make perfectly legitimate arguments to your opinion or call you out when you clearly change your stance to try and avoid admitting that you were wrong?

I never said I knew exactly what happened. But I can follow the sequence of events that the lawsuit laid out. And I can also point out that the MP even said he didn't hear everything that was said between the father and Mr. Sherman so that leaves plenty of doubt and speculation that the father could have over-reacted during the second encounter, thus re-igniting the argument.

It's pretty bad when you can't even acknowledge that there is a ticket policy in place that prohibits certain actions and access. Heck, you refused to even acknowledge a ticket policy in general. Yet, it's clearly stated on the Patriots website.

 

[DaBruinz]

You are clearly trying to make personal attacks. You are also clearly right and I am clearly incorrect in everything that I have said.

That's pretty funny since you were the first one to make them in this thread.

 

[belichick010405]

Sorry, but the medical community had deemed morbidly obese to be at least 50 lbs over your ideal body weight. And they did so (imho) because of lawsuits. I didn't make that standard. I'm just telling you what it is..

"The term morbid obesity refers to patients who are 50 - 100% -- or 100 pounds above -- their ideal body weight. Alternatively, a BMI (body mass index) value greater than 39 may be used to diagnose morbid obesity."

Morbid Obesity - Symptoms, Causes, Tests - NY Times Health Information

:rolleyes2:

 

[patman52]

A loser-pays system would get rid of all this nonsense. A great many lawyers would have to look for honest work though.

How so, the lawyers don't decide on the case? So if it is ot an open and shut case, what will be the plaintiffs Legal options. You make it sound like the lawyers get paid if they lose the case.

What about a system that encourages insurance companies to settle frivolous claims and still pass on the costs to policyholders.

They should increase the size of the courts and process the cases swiftly.

 

[DaBruinz]

"The term morbid obesity refers to patients who are 50 - 100% -- or 100 pounds above -- their ideal body weight. Alternatively, a BMI (body mass index) value greater than 39 may be used to diagnose morbid obesity."

Morbid Obesity - Symptoms, Causes, Tests - NY Times Health Information

The least you could do is actually cite a medical journal or a medical center website. , not a newspaper.

Secondly, I do stand corrected. It is 100 lbs to be morbidly obese, not 50.

So, I am likely incorrect on saying he was morbidly obese. He was just obese.

 

[belichick010405]

The least you could do is actually cite a medical journal or a medical center website. , not a newspaper.

Secondly, I do stand corrected. It is 100 lbs to be morbidly obese, not 50.

So, I am likely incorrect on saying he was morbidly obese. He was just obese.

Bruinz - unless you are a medical professional who completed the last physical examination on Mr. Chartier, then you nor anyone knows what his medical state was at the time of the incident. Would that be fair to say? Or no?

 

[Horace's Ivories]

I do see that definition but true morbid obesity is typically defined/driven off of BMI

 

[DaBruinz]

Not so. What if he's had the heart condition for 10 years? He was a season ticket holder and presumably has been to many games without incident. The only one he died at was the one where the security guard acted like a jerk.

This is my opinion only, although I am an attorney and many years ago did personal injury. I'm not trying to say the family will win. This one has settlement written all over it because it could go either way. It's not a cut-and-dried case for either side.

Doesn't matter how long he had the heart condition. He clearly didn't take care of himself. It's not the responsibility of the Patriots, the Security, or the NFL to know what the health condition of all their patrons is. The only special accommodations that need to be made are to those who are legally disabled.

Furthermore, I pretty sure that their ticket policy excludes them from being liable for anything short of actual physical harm by an employee upon a fan while on stadium grounds. And by physical harm I mean the employee attacking the fan. Not getting into an argument.

 

[Kontradiction]

I do see that definition but true morbid obesity is typically defined/driven off of BMI

Steelers fans are well familiar...

 

[belichick010405]

Doesn't matter how long he had the heart condition. He clearly didn't take care of himself. It's not the responsibility of the Patriots, the Security, or the NFL to know what the health condition of all their patrons is. The only special accommodations that need to be made are to those who are legally disabled.

Furthermore, I pretty sure that their ticket policy excludes them from being liable for anything short of actual physical harm by an employee upon a fan while on stadium grounds. And by physical harm I mean the employee attacking the fan. Not getting into an argument.

So you know what his medical condition was at the time of the incident? Let the supposition continue.