It is good to be an above average QB: Flacco gets a$66.4 million extension

supafly · Mar 3, 2016

Biffins said:
I said he has a better playoff record, as in W/L ratio. That's just a fact and not subjective.

Similarly when I say he's one of only 10 QBs in history with 10 playoff wins, that's also a fact. Or that after Peyton retires he'll be one of only 3 active QBs with 10 playoff wins.

I think both you and @Rob0729 make good points. Flacco has played very well in terms of leading his team to the postseason and making lots of noise. As a matter of fact, isn't he the all time leading QB in postseason wins on the road?

That said, Rob has his overall NFL ranking pegged pretty well, thus making his #1 salary look unreasonable at the moment, and possibly even a year or two down the line.

The Ravens and Flacco both knew his structured cap hits would be difficult to see through and that an extension would be likely though, so I don't really see what the big deal is. Postseason winning QB's are going to average 20m a year. That's just how it goes.

PittPatriot · Mar 3, 2016

Flacco has a Super Bowl. He has always played great against us in the playoffs...arguably as well as any QB from a numbers and W-L standpoint against the Pats.
Even in the 2014 game, the Ravens had us on the ropes with a 2 TD lead and Flacco had much to do with that. The Edelman to Amendola play was a momentum shift, but you have to tip your cap to an opposing QB who can walk into your stadium, go after Revis and our great defense, and put his team in a position to win.

DarrylS · Mar 3, 2016

In the world of the NFL stealing is lauded, but alleged and unproven "cheating" is penalized.. funny value system that NFL.

Rob0729 · Mar 3, 2016

Biffins said:
I said he has a better playoff record, as in W/L ratio. That's just a fact and not subjective.

Similarly when I say he's one of only 10 QBs in history with 10 playoff wins, that's also a fact. Or that after Peyton retires he'll be one of only 3 active QBs with 10 playoff wins.

So is Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino? Dilfer has a better playoff record.

You are using his playoff record as a statement to how good of a QB he is. So how he played in the playoffs becomes relevant.

supafly · Mar 3, 2016

PittPatriot said:
Even in the 2014 game, the Ravens had us on the ropes with a 2 TD lead and Flacco had much to do with that. The Edelman to Amendola play was a momentum shift, but you have to tip your cap to an opposing QB who can walk into your stadium, go after Revis and our great defense, and put his team in a position to win.

Yeah, they were up 14 twice in that game. They started out with a 14-0 lead, then went back ahead by two touchdowns again in the second half when it was 28-14. We were lucky as hell to get out of that game with a victory.

Oddly enough, Flacco is "only" 2-2 in Foxborough in the playoffs, but he probably could easily be 3-1. That last second FG miss in the AFCCG was lucky as hell, too. Like you said, that dude comes in and plays very confidently. He's not elite, but you sure as hell don't want to go with the alternative, as they saw this season for awhile.

RobertWeathers · Mar 3, 2016

In looking at the big picture, Flacco has had a way-above average career. Overall he has been durable, consistent and has won.

Very debatable that he deserves the financial windfall that he has received as players at the same position who are better are not paid as much as he.

1960Pats · Mar 3, 2016

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Here are 10 QBs who are clearly better than Flacco and need no argument. Even at his best, Flacco can't compete with these guys at their best. He is also incapable of carrying a team the way they can.

1-10 (in no order)
Brady
Rodgers
Wilson
Newton
Roethlisberger
Luck
Brees
Romo
Rivers
Palmer

You would have to put him into the next tier, where he may fall somewhere somewhere closer to average than above average It's hard to argue he has a notable edge over these guys either...only if you really believe his postseason success is part of his skill set and likely to repeat itself, rather than just a statistical anomaly (I believe the latter.)

11-15 (in no order)
E. Manning
Dalton
Ryan
Stafford
Flacco

16-17 (16.5)
Alex Smith (takes both spots to signify you have reached the average quarterback line, where exactly half of the league's QBs are better and half are worse.

Then you have guys who appear to have a bigger ceiling than Flacco who may surpass him soon but too early to tell. Carr (probably already has), Winston, Mariota, Bortles, Cousins, Bridgewater. You also have guys who are certainly as capable as Flacco if they have the right pieces: Fitzpatrick, Taylor, Tannehill, Bradford.

By the way, in all I've listed 24 quarterbacks besides Flacco, and there aren't many where you've looked at them and believed with conviction that Flacco is clearly better.

Not only is that a reach, it's reaching for the stars. It's amazing the level of disrespect that this kid gets from fans here. Here are the facts about Flacco compared to current QBs;

Level of playoffs reached per eligible seasons
Wilson
Brady
P Manning
Flacco (at least one win in every playoff season and one SB win)

% of eligible seasons player made playoffs
Wilson
Dalton
Brady
P Manning
Rodgers
Flacco (6 out of 8)

Regular season winning%
Brady
Wilson
P Manning
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Dalton
Luck
Flacco (.615 including 3-7 this year)

Playoff winning %
E Manning
Brady
Wilson
Flacco (10-5 .667)

% of One and Dones
Flacco/Wilson (0%)

I'm not saying that he's worth the contract he's getting, but he's clearly better than you're giving him credit for being, especially when you look at his level of play vs the Pats.

1960Pats · Mar 3, 2016

Biffins said:
wow you guys are biased.

Flacco is one of only 10 QBs in history to have 10 or more playoff wins. And, after Peyton retires, one of only 3 active QBs, the other two being Tom and Ben. Come on. Give the guy his due. He's performed when it matters.......... not once but repeatedly.

NFL starting quarterback playoff records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Flacco is 10-5, compare this to the average to pathetic post season records of first-ballot HoF guys like Peyton (14-13), Favre (13-11), Jim Kelly (9-8), Steve Young (8-6), Dan Marino (8-10), Aaron Rodgers (7-6), Drew Brees (6-5), Warren Moon (3-7).

COME ON.

It borders on embarrassing to see the way people here put that kid down.

1960Pats · Mar 3, 2016

Rob0729 said:
So is Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino? Dilfer has a better playoff record.

You are using his playoff record as a statement to how good of a QB he is. So how he played in the playoffs becomes relevant.

The answer to your question Rob is no, Trent Dilfer was not better than Dan Marino.

I think I can say with certainty that Dilfer's 4 playoff wins in 2000 had more to do with the fact that the Ravens gave up 4.6 points per game in the playoffs that year than with the QBing of Dilfer.

Btw, Jim McMahon had a better playoff record than Marino too.

Froob · Mar 3, 2016

Meh in the regular season, great in the playoffs. Not too many QBs I'd rather have in the playoffs than Flacco. Brady for sure, but after that I don't know. Not only does Flacco play big but, he's almost always on the road too.

varjao · Mar 3, 2016

WTF Am I reading here? Cam Newton with one of the biggest chokes of all time ahead of Flacco? Palmer, Romo, Rivers? WHAT? Also these guys are in the top 10 and Eli Manning out? I'm not sure Eli is a top 10 QB but he is better than those chokers, at least he proved that twice. I'm not a fan of going with history instead of present but anyway let's pump the breaks a little bit here.

Flacco definitely needs to improve his regular season performances to get a little more appreciation, but anyway this is the Ravens style, they play ugly slow games with low scoring, it's their game.

captain stone · Mar 4, 2016

Biffins said:
I said he has a better playoff record, as in W/L ratio. That's just a fact and not subjective.

Similarly when I say he's one of only 10 QBs in history with 10 playoff wins, that's also a fact. Or that after Peyton retires he'll be one of only 3 active QBs with 10 playoff wins.

So what? He relied on corrupt/incompetent zebras throwing DPI hankies to keep drives alive for him in many of those wins, more than any other QB in the league. And when he didn't have the horses (Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith) to draw those flags, the results were obvious. That's also a fact.

memento · Mar 4, 2016

Ravens are convinced they can't win without Flacco after seeing the team without him last season.

TheFlyingWedge · Mar 5, 2016

C'mon guys, lets give Flacco some credit. He has come out to Foxboro on a few occasions with the playoffs on the line and either given Pats nation a heart attack with a nail-biting finish, or humbled us with a soul-crushing loss. The guy is not a JAG - and when the money is down, he fights - HARD.

The strange thing about him though is that he, like Eli Manning, is wildly inconsistent in the regular season which must be tough for the Ravens fans to deal with. Its interesting that Ozzie Newsome and the Ravens brass are willing to look past his shortcomings as an unreliable regular season QB and pay him elite money based, seemingly, on his postseason record alone.

1960Pats · Mar 5, 2016

TheFlyingWedge said:
C'mon guys, lets give Flacco some credit. He has come out to Foxboro on a few occasions with the playoffs on the line and either given Pats nation a heart attack with a nail-biting finish, or humbled us with a soul-crushing loss. The guy is not a JAG - and when the money is down, he fights - HARD.

The strange thing about him though is that he, like Eli Manning, is wildly inconsistent in the regular season which must be tough for the Ravens fans to deal with. Its interesting that Ozzie Newsome and the Ravens brass are willing to look past his shortcomings as an unreliable regular season QB and pay him elite money based, seemingly, on his postseason record alone.

I don't see Flacco as wildly inconsistent in the regular season, and not anywhere near the level of Eli Manning in that regard.

Even with his 3-7 record this past season, Flacco is way ahead of Eli in RS winning%, .615 to .530.

Playing in a tougher division, Flacco's regular season team has made it to the playoffs in 6 out of 8 seasons (.750). Eli has only managed to do that in 5 out of 11 seasons (.455).

ScottishPatriots · Mar 5, 2016

Rob0729 said:
Flacco is not a top tier QB, but he just got a $66.4 million (with $44 million signing bonus). That's what happens when a team signs a QB to a bad contract and then are forced to cave to his demands for an extension because his salary cap # is too big for the team to carry. The Ravens had no choice but extend Flacco and Flacco and his agent took advantage. He is currently the highest paid player in the league by all standards (per year, overall contract). He is going to make $125 million over six years at $20.8 million a year.

I would say Flacco is somewhere around the 8-11th best QB in the league. But based on salary, he is #1.

The Colts must be upset because Luck is going to command a contract that dwarfs Flaccos.

The Colts waiting is costing them more, the longer they wait the more the price goes up it's so Colts.

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