This is the most pivotal game in both Brady and Manning's career.

Ivan · Jan 19, 2016

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
Manning was carried to one championship, in a postseason in which he had 3 TDs and 7 INTs, compiling a far worse QB rating than either Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. It was the worst postseason by a Super winning QB this century.

He has some ground to make up, to say the least.

I don't see the Patriots losing but watching Manning fall to 1-3 in Super Bowls would be an OK consolation prize if it did happen. I would be rooting for another slaughter.

Gronkowski123 · Jan 19, 2016

i disagree, brady's already the GOAT. even if manning wins a SB how can you put him ahead of brady/montana? makes no ****ing sense. he was terrible during both SB runs..

i just dont want tom losing three straight title games to manning. can't have that on the resume even though it's basically a home field thing..( thanks bill

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BobDigital · Jan 19, 2016

Not really. Brady is GOAT regardless. This game gives him a chance to start attempting to separate from the rest of the top 5 QBs.

For Manning it is likely his last SB chance but if he gets carried to victory here he will lose to Panthers/Cards most likely. If he wins 2 more it means something... winning this alone does little for him moving up the all time list IMO.

Gronkowski123 · Jan 19, 2016

Froob said:
I disagree, if the Broncos win the Super Bowl I highly doubt it's because of Peyton. It'd be like when the Steelers won SB XL. Had little to do with Jerome Bettis. On the other hand, this game would bigtime ****ing suck to lose. Peyton would have a winning record vs Brady in the playoffs and we'd hear about it forever because it's highly unlikely they ever meet again. This is a huge MUST win.

agreed. can't lose to THIS peyton manning.

sure brady would have the overall head to play but playoffs in far more important. we haven't defeated forehead in the playoffs in over a decade.

that changes sunday.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Jan 19, 2016

If the Red Sox led the Yankees 11-5 after 8 innings,

would it be OK to say "whomever scores the next run wins!" ????

Tony2046 · Jan 19, 2016

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
If the Red Sox led the Yankees 11-5 after 8 innings,

would it be OK to say "whomever scores the next run wins!" ????

There you go with that perspective crap again.

Darrone · Jan 19, 2016

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
If the Red Sox led the Yankees 11-5 after 8 innings,

would it be OK to say "whomever scores the next run wins!" ????

Yea, this was basically my strategy anytime I was losing in backyard sports as a kid.

Everyone thinks THIS game is the most important, until the next one comes along.

everlong · Jan 19, 2016

PatsFanSince74 · Jan 19, 2016

shmessy said:
No way.

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....and Brady is not in competition with Peyton Manning in the legacy game. He is with Joe Montana and Otto Graham.

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That's the key point, so I took the liberty of bolding it.

The Brady-Manning debate is over, finished, kaput, done....a fantasy only entertained by the delusional, the ignorant and the haters. Gary Myers, a New York based third party with no love for the Patriots, put an end to it in his book Brady vs. Manning. Brady is now not only being compared, but coming out on top in any historical comparison. Manning isn't in the discussion.

In fact, it's interesting that the two people who have done the most to burnish Brady's reputation and legacy in the last year have been based in New York...Judge Berman and Gary Myers. Still waiting for the CHB and MCI to say something that isn't petty, harping or redundant.

Ring 6 · Jan 19, 2016

everlong said:
The only fans of a player that have a case left are those of Joe Montana. The Montana fans will still say well Joe never lost a SB which is their one branch they're clinging to even though it's ass backwards since making 6 with the same amount of wins has to be viewed as greater.

Playoff record
Montana 16-7
Brady 22-8

Conference Championship record
Montana 4-3
Brady 6-3

One and done's
Montana 4
Brady 2

All of Brady's regular season wins and losses and stats are better as well. Should Brady win this year though he'll have 5 SB wins, 7 appearances, a 7-3 conference championship record even the Montana fans will have to give it up.

The only argument for Montana over Brady is "I'm a 49er fan."
Montana is tied in rings and has absolutely no other argument in his favor.
Arguing that losing before getting to the SB is better than getting there and losing is flat out stupidity.

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50-yard-line · Jan 19, 2016

Oh geez, this thread...

Look at it this way, a guy born in the year of hte FIRST AFCCG would have been legal drinking age when Tom Brady was born, and still brady had played in 20% of ALL AFCCGs ever.

Really, enough already.

BelizePats · Jan 19, 2016

This thread belongs in the practice squad forum. To the OP, hold off on creating a thread until you actually have something logical/practical to discuss. This kind of poorly conceived thread brings down the overall quality of this board and that is something I resent.

fightingirish595 · Jan 19, 2016

MrNathanDrake said:
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SB 49 was the most pivotal game in Bradys career. He could never play another down and still be regarded as the best ever. It cemented his legacy and solidified his position as the #1 QB of all time.

If he lost last years SB, he'd be 3-3 in Superbowls. Just barely ahead of Russel Wilson, Eli Manning, and Ben Rothlisberger. Closing in on Jim Kelly territory for SB losses. That wouldve been the story of Brady's career. 3 SB wins early on, and then 3 SB losses late in his career. We also never wouldve heard the end of "he can't win a Super Bowl with out deflated balls!"

Instead, he's 4-2 now and regarded as the GOAT by almost everyone. Brady himself said there was no game he wanted to win more than SB 49.

I got ripped on here for saying super bowl losses hurt your legacy. You pretty much say it and everybody and their brother agrees. That being said I disagree that Brady is cemented as number 1. I'm still on the fence. He is tied for the most wins and MVPs and no doubt has the best 4th quarter performance and best comeback in a superbowl. In regards to the original post. This game does not effect Bradys legacy, just like the 2013 AFCCG

Deus Irae · Jan 20, 2016

fightingirish595 said:
I got ripped on here for saying super bowl losses hurt your legacy. You pretty much say it and everybody and their brother agrees. That being said I disagree that Brady is cemented as number 1. I'm still on the fence. He is tied for the most wins and MVPs and no doubt has the best 4th quarter performance and best comeback in a superbowl. In regards to the original post. This game does not effect Bradys legacy, just like the 2013 AFCCG

Other than with Brady, which QBs do you hear getting maligned specifically for losing the Super Bowl?

Ring 6 · Jan 20, 2016

fightingirish595 said:
I got ripped on here for saying super bowl losses hurt your legacy. You pretty much say it and everybody and their brother agrees. That being said I disagree that Brady is cemented as number 1. I'm still on the fence. He is tied for the most wins and MVPs and no doubt has the best 4th quarter performance and best comeback in a superbowl. In regards to the original post. This game does not effect Bradys legacy, just like the 2013 AFCCG

On the fence how?
I assume you are talking about Montana.
They are tied for rings.
Please list all of the other factors where Montana is ahead. (Hint: There are none)

If you want to argue that losing early in the playoffs makes you a better QB than the guy who wins all the way to the SB and loses there, then I can't help you because that is simply moronic.

fightingirish595 · Jan 20, 2016

AndyJohnson said:
On the fence how?
I assume you are talking about Montana.
They are tied for rings.
Please list all of the other factors where Montana is ahead. (Hint: There are none)

If you want to argue that losing early in the playoffs makes you a better QB than the guy who wins all the way to the SB and loses there, then I can't help you because that is simply moronic.

Montana never lost a super, never threw a super bowl Int. that means something. The guy was clutch in unreal ways. Losing the super bowl hurts because you did not win it. Look at Dan Marino. If that guy had a ring or 2. His legacy would be totally different. You can not really compare stats between Montana and brady. 2 different eras. If Montana played today, I think its pretty safe to say he would put up great numbers

fightingirish595 · Jan 20, 2016

Deus Irae said:
Other than with Brady, which QBs do you hear getting maligned specifically for losing the Super Bowl?

John Elway was 0-3 in superbowls at one time. Terry Bradshaw called him a loser. Dan MArino, lost a superbowl, never one won, People rarely put him in their top 3 or 5. If he won the superbowl he lost, I gurantee you that people would look at him much differently. We all know how great he was. If Peyton Manning was 3-0 in the big game instead of 1-2, Imagine the conversations then. Instead we talk about how he threw a pick 6 to give the saints a superbowl.

fightingirish595 · Jan 20, 2016

Marv levy, Great coach, we all know that 4 straight superbowls is a remarkable accomplishment, but they did not win any of those games, no one talks about Marv Levy being one of the greatest coaches of all time. No one talks about Bud Grant. No one talks about Dan Reeves

Deus Irae · Jan 20, 2016

fightingirish595 said:
Losing the super bowl hurts because you did not win it.

Oh, stop with the nonsense. That claim is idiotic.

Deus Irae · Jan 20, 2016

fightingirish595 said:
John Elway was 0-3 in superbowls at one time. Terry Bradshaw called him a loser. Dan MArino, lost a superbowl, never one won, People rarely put him in their top 3 or 5. If he won the superbowl he lost, I gurantee you that people would look at him much differently. We all know how great he was.

When people talk about Elway, they don't say "the guy that lost those SuperBowls." There's a reason for that.

fightingirish595 said:
If Peyton Manning was 3-0 in the big game instead of 1-2, Imagine the conversations then. Instead we talk about how he threw a pick 6 to give the saints a superbowl.

There's a difference between losing a SB, and LOSING a SB. And Manning's only SB "win" came when his defense carried his ass for all 4 games, yet that's not the narrative.

This is the most pivotal game in both Brady and Manning's career.

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