Bye week activity thread: Top 5 Patriots All Time WRs.

PATSYLICIOUS · Jan 7, 2016

No disrespect to some of the other greats, but id think branch and brown should be in there for playoff contr alone.

Branch had 3 incredible high profile games... Sb38, sb39, 04 afcc in Pitt. Brown is brown.

Sfpat · Jan 7, 2016

Stanley Morgan and Harold Jackson formed a terrific duo for several years.

oldrover · Jan 7, 2016

Sfpat said:
Stanley Morgan and Harold Jackson formed a terrific duo for several years.

And the TE was Russ Francis, or as some might call him, Gronk 1.0.

Tuck · Jan 7, 2016

363839 said:
You left out Stanley Morgan!! Tsk Tsk

The OP must be under 40

fnordcircle · Jan 7, 2016

Tuck said:
The OP must be under 40

Us millenials don't have time to consider people who played in the days of leather helmets and Teddy Roosevelt.

363839 · Jan 7, 2016

fnordcircle said:
Us millenials don't have time to consider people who played in the days of leather helmets and Teddy Roosevelt.

Ouuccchhhh!!

oldrover · Jan 7, 2016

fnordcircle said:
Us millenials don't have time to consider people who played in the days of leather helmets and Teddy Roosevelt.

Ah, millennials...

Patjew · Jan 7, 2016

Mack Herron said:
Compared with Moss, Fryar had more receptions for more yards and a higher Yds/Rec (15.8 vs 15.1), so not sure why you would not even consider him. I assume you are confining consideration to on field exploits. In terms of receiving yards, Moss trails Morgan, Welker, Brown, Fryar, Colclough, Glenn, Cappeletti and Branch. In receptions he ranks 14th. Moss' outstanding stat is his 50TDs which rank second behind Stanley Morgan (who amassed 10,352 receiving yards with an eye popping 19.4 Yds/Rec). If Moss is on my list based on his TDs, he is on the bottom.

Well it's not scientific it all, but in my head I kind of break it down to per season effectiveness. But added to that, it has to be over some undetermined amount of seasons. It's not for total production as a patron nor is it for a single seasons output.This is Patjew science.

upstater1 · Jan 7, 2016

#1. Stanley Morgan
#1A. Randy Moss -- Better than Stanley but only produced for the Patriots for one season, so... Stanley gets it.

3. Edelman > Welker
4. Troy Brown > Welker
5. Deion Branch > Welker

6. Welker
7. Harold Jackson
8. Hart Lee Dykes (kidding!)
8. Irving Fryar
9. Terry Glenn
10. Irving Fryar.

Next up, tight ends.

1. Gronk
2. Russ Francis
2A. Ben Coates

The rest are a wash:
4. Hasselbeck? Dawson? Graham? Watson? Hernandez?

Stanley Morgan is really the greatest Patriot wide receiver of all time. He should be in the NFL Hall of Fame.

RobertWeathers · Jan 7, 2016

363839 said:
Ouuccchhhh!!

Thats ok. He may learn how to use the new iPhone in under 2 minutes but would never have the pleasure of carrying around a 20lb cell phone of listening to Foreigner or Peter Frampton on the radio live

1960Pats · Jan 7, 2016

oldrover said:
Here's how weak the Patriots are in receivers alltime:

New England Patriots Career Receiving Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

#16 pass catcher of all time... including TE's and RB's... is... Vincent Brisby.

Looking at their list it has Brisby at 17 among just WRs. I wonder what they use for their criteria.

1 - Stanley Morgan
2 - Gino Cappelletti
3 - Wes Welker
4 - Troy Brown
5 - Jim Colclough
6 - Irving Fryar
7 - Deion Branch
8 - Randy Moss
9 - Terry Glenn
10 - Randy Vataha
11 - Harold Jackson
12 - Art Graham
13 - Julian Edelman
14 - Shawn Jefferson
15 - Darryl Stingley
16 - David Patten
17 - Vincent Brisby

Kdo5 · Jan 7, 2016

JJDChE said:
Moss
Welker
Morgan
Brown
Edelman (He should move ahead of Brown barring major dropoff)

Good list, I'd go with this one. Edelman will earn his place with another 2-3 years here IMO.

oldrover · Jan 7, 2016

1960Pats said:
Looking at their list it has Brisby at 17 among just WRs. I wonder what they use for their criteria.

1 - Stanley Morgan
2 - Gino Cappelletti
3 - Wes Welker
4 - Troy Brown
5 - Jim Colclough
6 - Irving Fryar
7 - Deion Branch
8 - Randy Moss
9 - Terry Glenn
10 - Randy Vataha
11 - Harold Jackson
12 - Art Graham
13 - Julian Edelman
14 - Shawn Jefferson
15 - Darryl Stingley
16 - David Patten
17 - Vincent Brisby

Not sure what you're seeing, but when I sort by WR, Brisby is tenth. Criteria being yards.

Mack Herron · Jan 7, 2016

Patjew said:
Well it's not scientific it all, but in my head I kind of break it down to per season effectiveness. But added to that, it has to be over some undetermined amount of seasons. It's not for total production as a patron nor is it for a single seasons output.This is Patjew science.

Spoken as a true talmudic scholar. But isn't this what we always do? I call it choosing our favorites then rationalizing our opinions.

Patjew · Jan 7, 2016

Mack Herron said:
Spoken as a true talmudic scholar. But isn't this what we always do? I call it choosing our favorites then rationalizing our opinions.

Sure, I won't deny that. I go by my heart since I have no real technical knowledge to rely on.

1960Pats · Jan 7, 2016

oldrover said:
Not sure what you're seeing, but when I sort by WR, Brisby is tenth. Criteria being yards.

I sorted it by the AV column, which is PFR's adjusted value that they place on every player

Tuck · Jan 7, 2016

WR:
1) Moss
2) Morgan
3) Fryar
4) Branch
5) Who the F knows? Givens?

Slot:
1) Edelman
2) Brown
3) Welker

Tuck · Jan 7, 2016

1960Pats said:
Looking at their list it has Brisby at 17 among just WRs. I wonder what they use for their criteria.

1 - Stanley Morgan
2 - Gino Cappelletti
3 - Wes Welker
4 - Troy Brown
5 - Jim Colclough
6 - Irving Fryar
7 - Deion Branch
8 - Randy Moss
9 - Terry Glenn
10 - Randy Vataha
11 - Harold Jackson
12 - Art Graham
13 - Julian Edelman
14 - Shawn Jefferson
15 - Darryl Stingley
16 - David Patten
17 - Vincent Brisby

Shawn Jefferson? Nuff said.

RayClay · Jan 7, 2016

fnordcircle said:
Someone posed this topic to me last month and it was really, really hard. There's so many great players to rank. I really struggled with it, to be honest.

1. Moss - He wasn't here very long and it feels sorta sacrilegious given some of the other greats I've seen but I think he was, by far, the greatest WR we've ever had. It got a lot harder for me from here on out.

2. Brown - Two Marshall guys at the top. Certainly his career didn't really take off until the late 90s but Troy was as reliable a WR and as great of a team leader as we ever had around here. I'll always miss him.

3. Branch - I grew up watching Fryar and Morgan but Deion in his prime (2004) was soo good. I don't think we've ever had a guy who ran a smoother route than Deion.

4. Welker - Yeah, I love Edelman more but there's no way to overstate how durable and prolific Welker was during his time with us.

5. Edelman - My sentimental favorite of the bunch. He worked very hard to get here and ever since he subbed in for Welker in 2009 I've wanted to see this guy get play time.

Tough to leave out: Fryar and Morgan. And if we were going to take just a single year I'd say Glenn's rookie year alone made him worth consideration. As smooth and natural a receiver as I ever saw.

You can't be serious. All I can say is WELCOME TO THE BOARD!

AzorianPats · Jan 7, 2016

Joey007 said:
Ultimate Brisby!

You know what I remember most about Brisby? Fighting Lawyer Milloy at the Palace..

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