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Game Thoughts: I am absolutely disgusted by the Pats tonight edition


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Here we go:
  • Despite the fact, they did try to make it interesting at the end of the game, this was by far the most disgusting game I have seen by the Pats in a while. The Pats should have won this game by two or three TDs. Stupid coaching decisions (the pooch punt on the kick off), special teams (dogged it for giving up 14 points), Brady (two stupid throws on INTs), o-line, and everyone else. Absolutely disgusting.
  • Let's start with that pooch punt onside kick. You are up 14-0 and in control of the game. The downsides of doing something like that far out weigh the positives. Since Ebner kicked it 20 yards down field, the chances of the Pats recovering it were minimal. Got too cute and gave the Eagles a shot to get back in the game.
  • I don't get why since Edelman has gone down that McDaniels and Belichick have decided to become a vertical offense. There have been a few big plays over the last four weeks, but they have been outweighed by the many drive killers that have happened far too often.
  • Stupid mistakes is the difference today. As I said that coaching decision to onside kick was big. They screwed up the blocking assignments on the block punt for a TD. Brady should have thrown away that pick six rather than force it into Amendola covered tight by two defenders. Brady made a bad decision on the other pick.
  • I don't know why James White doesn't get more involved in the passing game. He isn't close to what Dion Lewis or even Shane Vereen, but he has proven to be a receiving option for Brady. But they seem to use him sparingly until the game is starting to fall apart.
  • I know this isn't a popular position, but I think Gronk needs to get over himself and realize he isn't above the team or that he deserves special treatment. The "I'll come back when I am 100%" crap isn't going to fly. He needs to be everyone else on the team and if you can play even if you are not 100%, you play. We have heard stories of Brady playing when he was hurt so bad that he needed to have help taking off his shoulder pads because he cannot lift his arm over his head, The Pats have zero margin for error after a loss today and they need to win all the rest of their games. If he is still not healthy enough to play, that is one thing. But it is a diva position to expect to sit out until you are 100%. I never liked how they babied him last year.
  • On that third down conversion right before the two minute warning by the Eagles, the RT clearly moved before the ball was snapped. Should have been a penalty.
  • They also desperately need Hightower back. He seems to have affected the pass rush and run defense more than when Collins was gone. I think Collins may be the better player, but Hightower is the steak and potatoes guy. The defense only gave up 14 points and played lights out at times, but it was a bit deceiving since the Pats' offense was on the field so much due to the Eagles scoring on special teams and defense and the onside kick.
  • The good news is barring a disaster, the worst this team can do is end up being the #3 seed. Sooner or later the Pats are going to win a game and the Jets are going to lose one. So the division is an almost certainty. But now the first round bye is anything but a lock. Denver has the tie breaker and unless Gronk comes back and is close to his former self next week, the Pats are likely to lose at least one more game.

You're disgusted? Maybe you should suit up.
 
They have had a game or even 2 like this every year. So I am not so sure why it would be a surprise at this point considering the players who are not playing.
Every team does, and since I don't make a habit of going to other teams' boards after unexpected losses, I don't know if their reactions are similar to what we see here. The fact is this: "Next man up" is a nice concept and it can be legitimate when the back-up players approximate the abilities of those they replace. But, when a Keshawn Martin is the replacement for a Julian Edelman and God-knows-who is the replacement for Rob Gronkowski, there are going to be dramatic negative results. Lastly, I don't understand those questioning this team's heart or competitive spirit. They've had back-to-back losses and poor performances, but I feel they didn't quit in either game.
 
This game was one of those WTF games that occur every year that you can't predict, other than theres going to be one. But it also reminded me of what the patriots were like under coaches like rod rust. to the youngins out there, this is what it was like to watch the pats before parcells, BB and even pete carroll were hired.hired. For over twenty years we've been priviledged

The only difference is that the Pats of old would never take a 35-14 deficit late in the game and get it within one 3rd down stop of a tie. That only happens with Tom Brady as the QB.
 
The only difference is that the Pats of old would never take a 35-14 deficit late in the game and get it within one 3rd down stop of a tie. That only happens with Tom Brady as the QB.

Or with Tyrod Taylor when he plays the Pats. Honestly, this pats team is hurting bad. It needs JE back and without Gronk, is dependent 100% on Brady. The problem is that he can't throw and catch the ball at the same time. And depending upon some of these guys to catch is not working out so well.
 
You're disgusted? Maybe you should suit up.

I don't normally jump in like this, but this thread absolutely disgusts me.
 
Guess you were one of those people that left/turned off the game when they were 21 points down this week and did the same last week after Denver took the lead in regular time, right ?

Because otherwise I don't see how you can say that this team has no heart.

heart is wanting the game more than the other team. the pats didn't exhibit that. and i never said they had no heart- just not as much as last year. and no i didn't turn the tv set off. the team listened to all the hype from the fans and media about them losing to denver because of injuries and the referees. in fact they lost that game because of poor coaching and bad execution. it was on repeat mode last night.
 
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I can't believe people suggesting putting Gronk with a gimpy knee in the game, i'd rather be the 3 seed with a healthy Gronk than the 1 seed with Gronk missing the playoffs.

This team is DONE if Gronk makes his knee worse and misses the playoffs, why would you risk that for a bye week?

This team is DONE if they play like last night.
 
Oh good. I'm not the only one who noticed that. You wonder if they have been coached to do that because the refs won't call it.

Radio announcers kept mentioning it.
 
When the team was 10-0 and Pats fans said CAR was better I figured they were overly pessimistic or just trying too hard to be humble. Now I see they were right.

I don't like their chances @ Houston next Sunday. Here is to hoping we can at least beat the Titans and go 11-5 that should win the division but if not so be it, blowing big leads in back to back games is a joke, we would probably lose to the Jags now and we scored 50 on them. I can't remember when the Pats scored 30 points, maybe over a month ago.
 
heart is wanting the game more than the other team. the pats didn't exhibit that. and i nver said they had not heart- just not as much as last year. and no i didn't turn the tv set off. the team listened to all the hype from the fans and media about them losing to denver because of injuries and the referees. in fact they lost that game because of poor coaching and bad execution.
I am 99.9% confident that the Pats can turn this around.

That said, I agree with you on both fronts. Until panic set in, they didn't play like they thought they were playing an NFL team that actually might beat them. And, while I've complained as much as anyone about the officiating in last week's game, they still ultimately lost because of bad situational football and bad play when it counted.

Hopefully, they take lessons from both games and turn this around, because they now have no room for error if they want to get a Bye. I had them losing one more game and going 14--2, but had this one firmly in the "W" column and assumed the loss would come in one of the road Division games. Now, it can't.
 
Because rushing Gronk back to play when he wasn't fully 100% worked so well before. None of us has any idea about the extent of his knee injury. So shouldn't we take the guy at his word? He needs to be 100% in order for this team to contend for a repeat. With him and Edelman intact (should he be able to get back by the playoffs), this team can walk into anybody's building in the AFC and win.
 
As an orthopedic/sports medicine surgeon, I can say you are wrong and downplaying the injury.

A bone bruise is a fracture of the medullary microstructure of the cancellous (inner layer) of bone. It IS a fracture. However, the inner part of the bone is supported by the strong outer portion so it is less like what we think of as a fracture. Also, that part of the bone has great blood supply so heals quicker.

If he comes back before it is healed, he is more likely to get an overt fracture that is best case scenario about a 1.5 year injury to be back to form. It can in cases be career ending. I can't remember what knee Gronk tore in the ACL in, but if it is the same knee, then it is an even bigger worry. Part of the ACL repair involves drilling an ~1cm diameter hole through the knee which slightly weakens it (EDIT: it means the bones). The hole goes through the cancellous portion. Therefore, a fracture that weakens the already weaker cancellous bone makes it more like to get a fracture. An overt fracture involving the ACL repair conduit is likely CAREER ENDING. This is because first they have to repair the fracture and let it heal COMPLETELY. Then they have to redo the ACL.

Him sitting out until it is better is in the best interest of both himself and the team.

Any questions?

Thanks for the info. It was a good read, but I am not saying he should come back before it is healed. Being healed and being 100% are two different things. For example, Edelman will not come back until the bone heals, but he will be back before he is 100%. When he returns (assuming he comes back in the 6-8 week time frame), the bone will be healed, but he will still have some limitations and likely be something like 80-90% because he will have lost mobility and strength in the foot due to the damage to the foot (tendons, ligaments, etc.) from the break and subsequent surgery.

People are confusing what I am saying. I am not saying rushing back before he is medically cleared. I am saying if wants to be 100% before he plays, it could be weeks after the bone has actually been healed enough to play and he is still feeling pain or tightness.

There is a big difference from being healed and "being 100%". I know when I broke my ankle, it was literally six months after my bone healed that I was close to 100% again. Granted I am not a professional who has access to a top notch rehab staff working every day to get to 100%.
 
Because rushing Gronk back to play when he wasn't fully 100% worked so well before. None of us has any idea about the extent of his knee injury. So shouldn't we take the guy at his word? He needs to be 100% in order for this team to contend for a repeat. With him and Edelman intact (should he be able to get back by the playoffs), this team can walk into anybody's building in the AFC and win.

i agree. under no circumstances should gronk com back until is competely healed even if it means being IRed.
 
Because rushing Gronk back to play when he wasn't fully 100% worked so well before. None of us has any idea about the extent of his knee injury. So shouldn't we take the guy at his word? He needs to be 100% in order for this team to contend for a repeat. With him and Edelman intact (should he be able to get back by the playoffs), this team can walk into anybody's building in the AFC and win.

You can't compare two entirely different injuries. With one being alot more serious than the other. I do agree none of us know the extent of his injury. Which is why I won't sit here and say if he should or shouldn't be on the field. I disagree he needs to be 100 percent. Nobody is 100 percent around this time of year. Close to 100 percent, I agree.
 
Because rushing Gronk back to play when he wasn't fully 100% worked so well before. None of us has any idea about the extent of his knee injury. So shouldn't we take the guy at his word? He needs to be 100% in order for this team to contend for a repeat. With him and Edelman intact (should he be able to get back by the playoffs), this team can walk into anybody's building in the AFC and win.

There is a difference. They rushed him back before his bone was completely healed. He didn't re-break it because he wasn't 100%. He re-broke it because he wasn't completely healed. Big difference. If the bone was completely healed, he might have still only had 80-90% of his mobility and strength back and not have had the chance to re-break it.

And I agree that none of us know what the extent of the injury. I am not (and I don't think anyone else is) suggesting he rushes back before the bone is healed. I am just saying if the bone is healed and he is waiting until he is 100% again, it is selfish even if it isn't intentionally selfish and he should go back on the field as soon as it is medically safe to do so and not when he is 100%.

After the last time, I don't think the Pats would be stupid enough to rush Gronk back before he was completely healed. But that doesn't mean he will be 100% when they clear him.
 
Gronk won't be back and it sucks. This team might as well be the 3rd seed. Can't go 4-0 without gronk
 
When the team was 10-0 and Pats fans said CAR was better I figured they were overly pessimistic or just trying too hard to be humble. Now I see they were right.

I don't like their chances @ Houston next Sunday. Here is to hoping we can at least beat the Titans and go 11-5 that should win the division but if not so be it, blowing big leads in back to back games is a joke, we would probably lose to the Jags now and we scored 50 on them. I can't remember when the Pats scored 30 points, maybe over a month ago.
Huh? I'll be upset if we end the season any worse than 13-3. Dropping 5 of our last 6 would be a disgusting collapse.
 
You can't compare two entirely different injuries. With one being alot more serious than the other. I do agree none of us know the extent of his injury. Which is why I won't sit here and say if he should or shouldn't be on the field. I disagree he needs to be 100 percent. Nobody is 100 percent around this time of year. Close to 100 percent, I agree.
You can absolutely compare them. He came back before he was ready before and got reinjured. As pctronics pointed out, the same risk is there with this injury. And you're splitting hairs over "100%". He needs to be 100% clear of THIS injury.
 
There is a difference. They rushed him back before his bone was completely healed. He didn't re-break it because he wasn't 100%. He re-broke it because he wasn't completely healed. Big difference. If the bone was completely healed, he might have still only had 80-90% of his mobility and strength back and not have had the chance to re-break it.

And I agree that none of us know what the extent of the injury. I am not (and I don't think anyone else is) suggesting he rushes back before the bone is healed. I am just saying if the bone is healed and he is waiting until he is 100% again, it is selfish even if it isn't intentionally selfish and he should go back on the field as soon as it is medically safe to do so and not when he is 100%.

After the last time, I don't think the Pats would be stupid enough to rush Gronk back before he was completely healed. But that doesn't mean he will be 100% when they clear him.
And again I ask how do you know this is what he's doing? You just had a surgeon break down that injury and the risk of coming back before he's 100% healed. He was rushed back before and reinjured. Why would the team needlessly take that chance again?
 
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