Gronk/Edelman vs. Moss/Welker

MrNathanDrake · Sep 27, 2015

I like Gronks attitude and leadership better than Moss.

Moss also disappeared in the playoffs in that epic 2007 season and was generally not as dominant towards the end of that year. Gronk shows up in those big games and seems to be even better in cold weather.

patsinthesnow · Sep 27, 2015

Update:

17-1 record, 36.6 PPG since KC

FourierSeries · Sep 27, 2015

This offense is better than the 2007 one. It will only get better when we get LaFell back.

Soul_Survivor88 · Nov 4, 2015

I still say that Welker and Moss were more transformational than either Gronk or Edelmen.....those two players were partly responsible for turning Brady into an "elite quarterback" with fantasy points through the wazoo!

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

This team is certainly a bit deeper. Throw out WW/Moss and JE/Gronk who all cancel each other out. Then wash Faulk and Lewis too. Granted right now Lewis is giving you more as he is a huge weapon, Faulk did put up similar numbers several years and was a Special Team ace and elite blocker.

That leaves:
Watson VS Chandler Watson's numbers are better but SC is not the primary TE here.
Stallworth VS Lefell Stallworth is faster Lafell a better blocker and a bit more versitle
Gaffney VS Amendola JG more proven but DA not getting the same snaps. DA +ST ace
LoMO VS Blount Clear Advantage Blount in Run and Pass
Brady VS Williams Williams better blocker and hands just as good
Morris VS White White more 3rd down back.

Current team also has Dobson and Martin should they stay on the roster with Lafell back.

TommyD4207 · Nov 4, 2015

Bruins29 said:
This team is certainly a bit deeper. Throw out WW/Moss and JE/Gronk who all cancel each other out. Then wash Faulk and Lewis too. Granted right now Lewis is giving you more as he is a huge weapon, Faulk did put up similar numbers several years and was a Special Team ace and elite blocker.

That leaves:
Watson VS Chandler Watson's numbers are better but SC is not the primary TE here.
Stallworth VS Lefell Stallworth is faster Lafell a better blocker and a bit more versitle
Gaffney VS Amendola JG more proven but DA not getting the same snaps. DA +ST ace
LoMO VS Blount Clear Advantage Blount in Run and Pass
Brady VS Williams Williams better blocker and hands just as good
Morris VS White White more 3rd down back.

Current team also has Dobson and Martin should they stay on the roster with Lafell back.

I disagree that Gaffney is "more proven" than Amendola.

qbno12 · Nov 4, 2015

Gronk and Edelman obviously coz we won a SB with them

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Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

TommyD4207 said:
I disagree that Gaffney is "more proven" than Amendola.

Look, I am a HUGE DA fan and was one of the few defending him in the dark days here.
Gaff for what he was has been really consistent over his career. You know what you would get from him every year. Put up decent numbers several years (considering who he was playing with) in Denver and Washington. Had an 11 year career and played 16 games every year except for one year when he played 11

Maybe I should of said more consistent. Not taking anything away from DA who is more explosive and has ST value. But he has been injured a bit

Bottom line, is that DA has gotten about the same amount of yards as Gaff in equal games. And a bit more yards per game overall.

DA is playing so well right now its tough to find any fault.

TommyD4207 · Nov 4, 2015

Bruins29 said:
Bottom line, is that DA has gotten about the same amount of yards as Gaff in equal games. And a bit more yards per game overall.

So...advantage Gaffney?

I don't mean to quibble on this point, but Gaffney was fine, certainly nothing clutch or special.

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

TommyD4207 said:
So...advantage Gaffney?

I don't mean to quibble on this point, but Gaffney was fine, certainly nothing clutch or special.

Well that is the problem. I never gave Gaff the edge and in fact mentioned in another thread that the reason that the 15 team is deeper than the 07 team is BECAUSE of DA.

Certainly gets the nod over gaff as I mentioned the ST play alone did it. The 15 team has some big advantages. A deeper TE group, much better 3rd down back depth, better feature RB, more versatile starting X receiver with ok backups that the 07 team did not even have.

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

TommyD4207 said:
So...advantage Gaffney?

I don't mean to quibble on this point, but Gaffney was fine, certainly nothing clutch or special.

You are misreading me backing my claim that Gaff was a bit more reliable and proven as a guy game in and game out, year after year - that you could use as a main WR. That dosent mean he gets an advantage of a more explosive and much more versatile slot receiver.

Rhodey · Nov 4, 2015

Tunescribe said:
An arguably tough choice, but I'd go with Moss/Welker ca. 2007.

Initially, I liked them best, but after some thought...who won a Super Bowl? And maybe they'd have won 2 had Gronk- which contributes to my vote -did not get hurt. What doesn't Edelman do that Welker did? And he's still doing it; came up with the Pats; keeps getting better. Gronk versus Moss? Gronk. And I love Moss as a WR, but Gronk is more than that...an all-around team player who also came up a Pat- not just around for a few seasons. Production-wise, I like Gronk, as well...and that's comparing him to Randy Moss!

RobertWeathers · Nov 4, 2015

Bruins29 said:
This team is certainly a bit deeper. Throw out WW/Moss and JE/Gronk who all cancel each other out. Then wash Faulk and Lewis too. Granted right now Lewis is giving you more as he is a huge weapon, Faulk did put up similar numbers several years and was a Special Team ace and elite blocker.

That leaves:
Watson VS Chandler Watson's numbers are better but SC is not the primary TE here.
Stallworth VS Lefell Stallworth is faster Lafell a better blocker and a bit more versitle
Gaffney VS Amendola JG more proven but DA not getting the same snaps. DA +ST ace
LoMO VS Blount Clear Advantage Blount in Run and Pass
Brady VS Williams Williams better blocker and hands just as good
Morris VS White White more 3rd down back.

Current team also has Dobson and Martin should they stay on the roster with Lafell back.

This seems right to me.

Morris blows away White, though. Vastly superior player.

TommyD4207 · Nov 4, 2015

robertweathers said:
This seems right to me.

Morris blows away White, though. Vastly superior player.

No question there. I don't know that White can do anything, yet.

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

TommyD4207 said:
No question there. I don't know that White can do anything, yet.

Yeah he is just a 3rd down guy, really just a backup to Lewis who would be a lot less effective. Good problem to have when you have to go down that far to find an advantage that the 07 team had depth wise.

Morris had the really one good year for us when we needed him

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

One thing that is amazing. Think about the production the Pats got/get out of these guys for the money they paid.

2..5 mil salary for the greatest WR season ever
Welker was grossly underpaid for his production
$1 million for JEs production last year and his new contract is 2.2-3 mil per year
DA is being paid peanuts
Gronk is being paid very reasonable considering he is the GOAT TE in his prime.

Pats2000 · Nov 4, 2015

neuronet said:
I think people forget how good Welker was...and tend to selectively remember a couple of drops instead of the consistency he brought week-in-week-out.

I remember Welker came up small at crunch time on the biggest stages. That team was soft compared to this team. That team was finesse and touch. This team smashes you in the mouth on offense and defense. This team breaks tackles, blocks hard at all levels, and turns it on in the 4th Q. I'll take this team.

condon84 · Nov 4, 2015

Gronk is as much a mismatch as Moss but he also blocks.

Edelman >>>>>>>>> Welker on everything

Welker was great and productive, but Edelman is a better PR, is as good or better at getting open, definitely a better runner with the ball after the catch, and more importantly is more clutch.

Edelman would not have dropped that 2012 pass. And conversely, Welker would have not survived that Chancellor hit in the last drive in last year's SB.

The Brandon Five · Nov 4, 2015

That comment to Welker about Wally Pipp during the "Football Life" show (2009 season) sure seems prescient now, don't it?

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

condon84 said:
, Welker would have not survived that Chancellor hit in the last drive in last year's SB.

So a guy that took a beating for years and years, game after game, from everyone and just got up time and time again wouldnt be able to take that hit because you say so.

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