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dburgwin · Sep 3, 2015

And they will lose the appeal. The decision is all based on procedure issues that are not subject to redress (especially no notice).

Patsfanin Philly · Sep 3, 2015

patfanken said:
One disturbing note from Berman according to Judy Batista, Berman noted that Roger Goodell was deemed to be an impartial arbiter. First that kind of blows my mind, and I worry about what impact that tidbit might have in appeal.

Then off course since I haven't read the decision myself (and I doubt Judy did either), I love if someone more proactive will confirm or deny this surprising remark.

BTW- Judy did say this was the only positive for the NFL. The rest was totally in favor of the NFLPA

Actually Berman said he didn't address the notion of Goodell as an independent arbiter because the case failed on the lack of notice as well as other issues..

PatsDeb · Sep 3, 2015

Deus Irae said:
You'll hear all about how Brady won because of "procedure", or a "technicality". What will be ignored by those stating such things is that the state of current U.S. law regarding arbitration rulings is such that you literally cannot win an appeal on just the facts.

Agreed - it's VERY HARD to get an arbitration award overturned at the federal level, even if things weren't perfect at the arbitration hearing itself. The fact that this arbitration was overturned so soundly shows to those in the legal community that the NFL had NO CASE and needed to make themselves prosecutor, judge and jury to make this bogus thing stick. Many casual fans will unfortunately, just incorporate the "got off on a technicality" argument. I don't care though at this moment.

wahwho · Sep 3, 2015

Bwahahahahaha!!!

MikeReiss
Roger Goodell, in a statement, says the NFL will appeal Judge Berman's decision. #Patriots
9/3/15, 12:18 PM

SVN · Sep 3, 2015

Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 6s7 seconds ago
Roger Goodell won't let Deflategate die. He has officially announced his decision to appeal Berman's ruling.

Rob0729 · Sep 3, 2015

JDot said:
Whats he saying?

Don't have direct quotes, but he basically saying Brady is guilty and got away on process.

makoute · Sep 3, 2015

Kdo5 said:
I hope it is! I love the reaction in New England today. Pure joy.

That is fine, when the NFL puts out the results in the data that they are collecting this season, the truth will come out, not that many of them will accept it, but it will be there for those who are open minded.

Deus Irae · Sep 3, 2015

QuantumMechanic said:
I have to think the NFL will appeal this because this is such a horrible precedent for them. Of course, if they appeal and lose that's even worse...

I haven't read the decision yet but, from what snippets I've seen, the appeal would probably end up as more of a beat down this Berman's ruling already seems to be.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Sep 3, 2015

TommyBrady12 said:
has the league issued a press statement yet or is pash still editing it?

There's LOTS of wordsmithing to be done!

Rob0729 · Sep 3, 2015

SVN said:
Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 6s7 seconds ago
Roger Goodell won't let Deflategate die. He has officially announced his decision to appeal Berman's ruling.

Deflategate is no longer about the Patriots. It will all be about Goodell and the NFL. The longer this goes, the more it will look bad for him and the NFL.

BradyFTW! · Sep 3, 2015

Goodell just issued a statement that's being read on ESPN right now. The NFL will appeal, because it's super important that he maintain the authority to protect the integrity of the game.

Mark Schlereth is absolutely blasting him on maintaining this point while refusing to abide by basic legal standards of discovery. Glad someone's finally making that point, although it's ridiculous that it took this long (and today's ruling) for people like him to start exercising common sense.

raduray · Sep 3, 2015

ivanvamp said:
This was the NFL's entire argument.

It may be ridiculous for Goodell to be the prosecutor AND the judge in this case, but that's what the CBA says he can do so tough crap.

It may be ridiculous for Goodell to be able to issue any penalty he wants for any infraction he wants, but that's what the CBA says he can do so tough crap.

It may be ridiculous for Goodell to flat-out lie about a player, but that's what the CBA says he can do so tough crap.

It may be ridiculous for Goodell to claim that an investigation is independent, backtrack on it when it's shown to clearly NOT be independent, but it doesn't really matter, because the CBA doesn't require it to be independent so tough crap.

It may be ridiculous for Goodell to punish a player for being "generally aware" of potential wrongdoing by others in the organization, but so what, the CBA allows him to do that so tough crap.

It may be ridiculous for Goodell/Wells to tell Brady they don't need his phone, and when Brady offers all kinds of electronic documentation Wells decides to not pursue that, but then when Brady doesn't turn over his phone they hit him with a penalty for that, but so what, the CBA allows him to do that so tough crap.

I mean, that's been the NFL's entire argument this whole time. Glad Berman smacked it down.

What does it say about the integrity of the game and the so called shield when the NFL's argument boils down to "we're not required to be fair"?

RecoveringCowboy · Sep 3, 2015

I hope this is part of what happened this morning.

wahwho · Sep 3, 2015

"It's more important for the commissioner to be right than it was for him to be fair"

ESPN actually turning on the league a bit...multiple talking heads are on board with the idea that the commissioner's process is harming the integrity of the game.

Deus Irae · Sep 3, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
Goodell just issued a statement that's being read on ESPN right now. The NFL will appeal, because it's super important that he maintain the authority to protect the integrity of the game.

Mark Schlereth is absolutely blasting him on maintaining this point while refusing to abide by basic legal standards of discovery. Glad someone's finally making that point, although it's ridiculous that it took this long (and today's ruling) for people like him to start exercising common sense.

Wait..... why isn't the NFL just accepting the decision of the court?
You know, for the good of the league...

Someone get Bob McNair on the phone!

BradyFTW! · Sep 3, 2015

Oswlek said:
Of course, along with the "you know he did it, they just couldn't prove he did it" ********, ESPN said on my drive in that Berman explicitly ruled Goodell was impartial. I guess when you've been spinning as fast as they have, you need some time to wind down.

Yup, just another lie by ESPN. Apparently declining to reach a conclusion in a way that's basically "resting starters when you're up 30 in the 4th" now = finding that he was impartial, or "you won because they took their starters out!"

Rob0729 · Sep 3, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
Goodell just issued a statement that's being read on ESPN right now. The NFL will appeal, because it's super important that he maintain the authority to protect the integrity of the game.

Mark Schlereth is absolutely blasting him on maintaining this point while refusing to abide by basic legal standards of discovery. Glad someone's finally making that point, although it's ridiculous that it took this long (and today's ruling) for people like him to start exercising common sense.

Just said this whole thing was the "equivalent of going to 72 in a 65 and going to jail for a year for it". Granted in 1998, he was fined $5,000 for putting Vaseline all over his arms before a game to make his arms slippery during a game. So he couldn't really make this a big deal.

JMC00 · Sep 3, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Michael Silver is going to be taken off Brady's Christmas card list. He always wanted us to know he was in tight with "Tommy", but he is smearing him on the NFL Network right now.

Thing is, after his piece on how Brady and the Pats were far apart on a contract extension and then just says later it getting done, I question if he was ever close to him.

ivanvamp · Sep 3, 2015

raduray said:
What does it say about the integrity of the game and the so called shield when the NFL's argument boils down to "we're not required to be fair"?

Not much, obviously. It means that Goodell has never, ever been about the "integrity of the game". He's always been about his power.

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