BB on Bolden

I'm emboldened about Bolden!

I hope BB starts Bolden against the Colts this year and he destroys them. "See, even their third string RB can demolish those crybabies!"

robertweathers said:

Same level of understanding as you. Watched every single game. Followed the team closely. Know football and the position. Read scouting reports...

Patrick Pass was a good player for this team for several seasons.

Bolden is also good player.

To say that he is vastly superior than Pass is IMO, fanciful.

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Where did I state that Bolden was vastly superior?

The truth is that I stated he is better than Pass which he is.

Concussion Protocol said:

Those stats seem to indicate Bolden is a little better on the ground and Pass is a little better through the air. How is that a "fail"?

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Better YPC, more Tds, more yardage in less starts and fewer seasons.

Bolden is already better than Pass.

Triumph said:

Better YPC, more Tds, more yardage in less starts and fewer seasons.

Bolden is already better than Pass.

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I agree he's better than Pass, but those numbers are not the most sound evidence of it. Pass had a much better yards per catch than Bolden does, while Bolden has a much better yards per carry than Pass. Both sample sizes are small enough that I'd rather go with they eyeball test, which favors Bolden IMO. I was surprised to see 570 receiving yards for Pass, because like you, I thought he was not on Bolden's level in any facet of the game.

Concussion Protocol said:

Yes, he's better, but his role on the team is much more similar to Pass than it was to BJGE, who couldn't catch, return kicks, or cover kicks.

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Bolden doesnt see that role because of people ahead of him and the fact that it would weaken special teams.

Gray and Blount are ahead of him not because Bolden cant do the job. Why fix what isn't broken when this current arrangement works.

Concussion Protocol said:

I agree he's better than Pass, but those numbers are not the most sound evidence of it. Pass had a much better yards per catch than Bolden does, while Bolden has a much better yards per carry than Pass. Both sample sizes are small enough that I'd rather go with they eyeball test, which favors Bolden IMO. I was surprised to see 570 receiving yards for Pass, because like you, I thought he was not on Bolden's level in any facet of the game.

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Pass had 91 career targets.

Bolden has had 37. Sometimes Bolden comes off the bench and does drop passes.

Triumph said:

Again

Bolden doesnt see that role because of people ahead of him and the fact that it would weaken special teams.

Gray and Blount are ahead of him not because Bolden cant do the job. Why fix what isn't broken when this current arrangement works.

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I simply made the comment that his role on the team is more similar to Pass than BJGE because BJGE couldn't do anything but carry the ball. You must've misread my comment because I never said Bolden couldn't carry the ball, I just said that BJGE could only carry the ball.

Triumph said:

Where did I state that Bolden was vastly superior?

The truth is that I stated he is better than Pass which he is.

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This is what you said. I took it as that you think Bolden is a vastly superior player. If you meant something different that's fine.

Bolden is already better than Pass ever thought of being.

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In the end...I don't agree that Bolden is better than Pass ever thought of being. We just disagree here. Pass was with the Pats for 6 years and a key contributor in a number of areas on 3 Super Bowl teams. Keep in mind he was playing being Dillon, Faulk, Maroney and Antoine Smith so he wasn't beating out those guys and neither would have Bolden.

robertweathers said:

This is what you said. I took it as that you think Bolden is a vastly superior player. if you meant something different thats fine.



In the end...I don't agree that Bolden is better than Pass ever thought of being. We just disagree here. Pass was with the Pats for 6 years and a key contributor in a number of areas on 3 Super Bowl teams. Keep in mind he was playing being Dillon, Faulk, Maroney and Antoine Smith so he wasn't beating out those guys and neither would have Bolden.

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Are you serious?

I said that Bolden was better. I said he was a poor mans BJGE.

Vastly superior is no place in those statements.

Triumph said:

Are you serious?

I said that Bolden was better. I said he was a poor mans BJGE.

Vastly superior is no place in those statements.

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I really don't want to get into an argument over how I interpreted your assertion. If you say that you didn't imply that Bolden was a vastly superior player than Pass then I will take you at your word.

Concussion Protocol said:

I simply made the comment that his role on the team is more similar to Pass than BJGE because BJGE couldn't do anything but carry the ball. You must've misread my comment because I never said Bolden couldn't carry the ball, I just said that BJGE could only carry the ball.

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No

I said that Bolden does not get the reps passing or running.

Yes Pass was a 72% pass receiver.

Bolden is a 67% reciever. He does not see the reps which is what I've been stating since day 1.

robertweathers said:

I really don't want to get into an argument over how I interpreted your assertion. If you say that you didn't imply that Bolden was a vastly superior player than Pass then I will take you at your word.

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Because I never said so.

Bottom line Triumph, I disagree with your original assessment that Bolden is a "poor man's BJGE". Bolden survives as a RB in the NFL because of his excellent versatility. BJGE was the least versatile RB in the history of the NFL. I think it's a poor comparison.

Triumph said:

Because I never said so.

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Triumph...that is fine.

Concussion Protocol said:

Bottom line Triumph, I disagree with your original assessment that Bolden is a "poor man's BJGE". Bolden survives as a RB in the NFL because of his excellent versatility. BJGE was the least versatile RB in the history of the NFL. I think it's a poor comparison.

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This is going around in circles.

If Bolden saw the reps he would do the job. Bolden isn't a Slater who totally useless beyond special teams.

The stats bear out that Bolden is more than capable of a primary Rbs and doing the job well. 4.6 YPC and 67% completion percentage speak for themselves.

I have no choice but to disagree with you.

You know you're in the throes of the offseason when you stumble upon a pissing contest about Patrick Pass and Brandon Bolden.

Triumph said:

This is going around in circles.

If Bolden saw the reps he would do the job. Bolden isn't a Slater who totally useless beyond special teams.

The stats bear out that Bolden is more than capable of a primary Rbs and doing the job well. 4.6 YPC and 67% completion percentage speak for themselves.

I have no choice but to disagree with you.

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But when you say Bolden is a "poor man's BJGE", you're saying that he's the same type of player as BJGE, just not as good. That's the crux of my disagreement with you. Bolden does everything, BJGE did one thing. I'm not knocking Bolden. If anything, I'm knocking BJGE.

Not really an important argument either way.

He's not only a great ST guy but he always makes good out of the carries he gets.

Concussion Protocol said:

But when you say Bolden is a "poor man's BJGE", you're saying that he's the same type of player as BJGE, just not as good. That's the crux of my disagreement with you. Bolden does everything, BJGE did one thing. I'm not knocking Bolden. If anything, I'm knocking BJGE.

Not really an important argument either way.

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I'd agree that Bolden is a poor mans' BJGE at what BJGE could do: short yardage, goaline, right up the middle type of running.

But like you said, BJGE couldn't perform ST, and Bolden has a little more outside speed to his game.

Joey007 said:

I'd agree that Bolden is a poor mans' BJGE at what BJGE could do: short yardage, goaline, right up the middle type of running.

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Oh I think Bolden is much more explosive than BJGE. The way he got the corner on that clinching run @NYJ.......BJGE couldn't have done that and wouldn't even have tried. I think Bolden is much more of a slasher like Ridley than a pounder like BJGE.