Greg Bedard Listening Thread: His last appearance with the Lombardis of Douchiness

No fine! NFW!!!!
Kraft needs to get his apology
Going nuclear on the league office. Full scale war. Make them a laughingstock.

How in HELL can you fine a team because their footballs obey the laws of physics?

It's beyond irrational.

sportnik said:

Doesn't see Soldier being cut to save money. Came on strong down the stretch. Gug raves about him, says he's the second best LT in the league.

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Wow.

ALP said:

What's JGs contract? 4 years? So team will start contemplating starting him in his 4th year in league...

Interesting, but I also think brady has at least two good years left

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Acknowledging that JG looks to be the best rookie QB the Pats have brought in since Brady, I have grave doubts of his ability to be ready to run this offense until AFTER 2016. Coming from Eastern Illinois is a huge step to the NFL, let alone Josh's offense. Regardless of the physical talent, he won't be able to run half of this offense if Brady went down next year. It would be better in year 3, but still not ready.

A good exemplar is a fellow E. Ill alum who spent 3 full years on the Cowboys roster before he saw any meaningful snaps, and that what it took to learn the Cowboy offense. Believe me the McDaniels' is far more complex, and remember that even when Romo started seeing a lot of snaps he was far from a finished product for a few more years after that.

So it won't be until 2017 at the EARLIEST that the Pats will need to make any decisions on JG and TB. At THAT point I guess the Pats thought process will be this. If they think Brady has just a year or 2 of good football left, they will go with the a kid who can be the face of the franchise for the next decade than take a year or two from Brady.

However if they think Brady has more like 3-4 more years after 2016, they it will believe it would be worth the risk to give up decade of quality, to continue for that long with the GOAT. Remember it will be another 4 years before Brady reaches the same age that Farve had that great year with the Vikings. And 2 years before JG becomes even a possibility to replace him. 2 years is like a half a generation in NFL time. It really shouldn't become an issue until the end of the 2016 season.

....and despite that reality, there will likely be a new thread on this topic every week starting this week and going on until the day Brady leaves.

sportnik said:

- The team has high hopes for Easley, but if they had a do over, would probably take Joel Bitonio (G, Cleveland), who would be perfect for the Pats.

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Is Greg saying the team wishes they had done this or that he thinks they should have?

Fencer said:

Wow.

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Wow as in that is cool or Wow as in Gug has lost it.

Bruins29 said:

Wow as in that is cool or Wow as in Gug has lost it.

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Wow at the surprising strength of the endorsement.

Fencer said:

Wow at the surprising strength of the endorsement.

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Solder was closer to 2nd than being ditched to the curb coming into the season, and he played very well in the playoffs. Hopefully he stays at that level and we'll forever wonder what was up with him for a few months back in 2014.

Garoppolo has had a good rookie season - multiple practice player of the week awards, and some positive leaks from the Patriots facility about his progress so far.

What Josh should do is to sit him down with Brady's tape from the SB, and tell him that he needs to learn how to make every throw that Brady did (well, maybe not the Lane INT!). I'm not talking just about the physical throw, though Brady-quality ball placement is important - what I mean is the reading of the defense, the pre-snap recognition, the pocket presence, the ability to think clearly and to perform under pressure.

The only way Garoppolo ever gets to replace Brady before Brady retires is if he's a better player than TFB. I think on Sunday we saw Tom Brady at his absolute best, and that if we really want to make the long-term transition work, that has to be the standard for his replacement to meet.

Ken, I absolutely agree with you about the complexity of the McDaniels offense, and it'll take time for any Brady replacement to fully grasp it. If Brady got hurt, God forbid, obviously they'd have to dial it back like they did for Cassel, but you can then scale it back up over time.

Thinking about when Rodgers became the starter in Green Bay, one of the most impressive things about him was the mastery he had of the WCO, from Day 1 as the starter. I guess that's the dream for us with Brady's successor as well.

Fencer said:

Wow.

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Guigs must be on it for medicinal purposes.....

PatsWickedPissah said:

No fine! NFW!!!!
Kraft needs to get his apology
Going nuclear on the league office. Full scale war. Make them a laughingstock.

How in HELL can you fine a team because their footballs obey the laws of physics?

It's beyond irrational.

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In life there are some battles you fight because it's the right thing to do. There are some you don't for the sake of keeping a happy ship (see marriage).

A small fine would basically tell the world that the NFL Office- this cradle of honesty, transparency, leadership and unwavering, strict commitment to the integrity of the game thinks the Pats are guilty of cheating. F- That.

....You fight this to the bitter end, Bob....TO_THE_END.

Exactly why does the league think they did it? They honestly think some dude was deflating balls in a bathroom? They don't understand science? They don't wonder at all about the Colts?

Whatever. I know they're stupid, guess that's my answer.

robertweathers said:

In life there are some battles you fight because it's the right thing to do. There are some you don't for the sake of keeping a happy ship (see marriage).

A small fine would basically tell the world that the NFL Office- this cradle of honesty, transparency, leadership and unwavering, strict commitment to the integrity of the game thinks the Pats are guilty of cheating. F- That.

....You fight this to the bitter end, Bob....TO_THE_END.

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If they give the NFL a single dollar, that are admitting that Brady, Kraft, and Belichick are all liars and Charles Haley Florio and Gregsom are right. It's as simple as that. There IS no middle ground here. The fate of the integrity of the franchise is what's at stake here....the integrity and legacy of Bob Kraft.

patfanken said:

If they give the NFL a single dollar, that are admitting that Brady, Kraft, and Belichick are all liars and Charles Haley Florio and Gregsom are right. It's as simple as that. There IS no middle ground here. The fate of the integrity of the franchise is what's at stake here....the integrity and legacy of Bob Kraft.

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Exactly. In the end, Bob made the decision to let Spygate go. He had the opportunity to defend BB but he didn't. Instead he chose to take the fines and move on. For the sake of the season and his standing in the league and w/ Goody he settled the issue....and it bit him in the butt. I don't think Bob fully comprehended how damaging Spygate was (in the media and to the casual fan) and it's the impact on the brand and his family's name. Clearly with DFG, he understands it and i suspect he won't let it slide this time.

The speech at the Super Bowl was a warning shot. He made it pretty clear Spygate and all the BS that came with it will not be accepted again.

patfanken said:

I read where Mazz chose McCourty as one of his "downs" because he was off covering others when the guy who hadn't had a caught a ball all season was racking up over 100 yds. I wonder what Bedard's response was to that.

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Felger cut in and started rambling about something else and they never went back to it so Bedard never gave a response.

Although he did say when they put Arrington as a down that what you saw in what Arrington did against Hilton and Matthews was basically McCourty. Arrington looks good on the outside when he has help over the top from McCourty. No help from McCourty against a taller guy and that's what happens.

Douchebag massarotti is your typical no nothing about football. It's hilarious he put McCourty as a down because he didn't see him, does that mean Revis was a down too? I mean Revis technically gave up a TD, which other than that and the sack on Wilson he wasn't seen.

He faults McCourty because Wilson completed 12 passes and on like 10 of them Wilson threw to the opposite side of where McCourty was. So McCourty gets faulted because of 2 passes? He thinks McCourty is overrated because he doesn't get 8 INT a season and isn't a guy that lights people up.

PatsWickedPissah said:

How in HELL can you fine a team because their footballs obey the laws of physics?

It's beyond irrational.

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It's very rational. Goodell's job is a PR job.

The Patriots footballs obeying the laws of physics was a PR disaster.

Someone has to pay.

PatsWickedPissah said:

No fine! NFW!!!!
Kraft needs to get his apology
Going nuclear on the league office. Full scale war. Make them a laughingstock.

How in HELL can you fine a team because their footballs obey the laws of physics?

It's beyond irrational.

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HELL YES!!!!

unoriginal said:

It's very rational. Goodell's job is a PR job.

The Patriots footballs obeying the laws of physics was a PR disaster.

Someone has to pay.

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That should be Goodell.