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My theory The NFL mastermind had the balls being watched, cameras etc... The Colts gave them a ball that was 2 PSI short (after the Colts further deflated it?) NFL mastermind has the other 10 checked and they are 1 PSI low. NFL mastermind says we have those dastardly Patriots now, this will teach them to file a complaint against my Jets. Leaks story to Kravitz. NFL mastermind assumes they have it on tape because they taped the balls as part of the sting and NFL mastermind is totally clueless about science. NFL mastermind initiates investigation, goes to tape for smoking gun and of course it is not there. No reason to talk to Brady as NFL mastermind figures out what happened and is just playing for time. If NFL mastermind actually completed this in 2 - 3 days then everyone will know it was he behind it all.

NFL is desperately trying to make this go away now as they are the guilty party in cahoots with other teams. Congress needs to get involved.
I heard that Kraft was the one who wanted the outside sources brought in to investigate because he knew Kensil was up to something and knew he wouldn't get a fair shake. I think most of what your saying is true but once they brought in outside people they have to wait for them to get all their ducks in a row. For all we know these guys are done and the NFL is trying to figure out what to do. Rogers job is probably in jeopardy as well as his cronies.
 
More from king. I thought he would offer some mea culpa on the rush to judgment. Intead he plays more detective and offers BB and brady's HOF status

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/26/super-bowl-49-patriots-seahawks-bill-vinovich-ref/6/

I thought the Bill Belichick press conference Saturday afternoon was extraordinary. Clearly, he realized his integrity, and that of his organization, was under fire. He wanted to tell the world there was, in his mind, a rational explanation for the decline in pressure in the footballs during the first half of the AFC Championship Game. He wanted to tell the world stridently that he thought his team and his staff did absolutely nothing wrong. He wanted to tell the world he was proud of his players for continually persevering and becoming the best team in the AFC this season, which the Patriots certainly are. It was passionate and moving and very human.

Now, it was great TV, and it showed a side of Belichick we rarely get to see—the loyal and earnest and fiery and educational Belichick, all at once. But I’m not sure it changed very much. We still don’t know why New England’s footballs were fine before the game, low at halftime (at least 11, according to Chris Mortensen), inflated to the proper level by the officiating crew, and then fine after the game. So that’s a problem that needs to be addressed. Mike Florio atPro Football Talk reported Sunday, quoting a league source, that 10 of the New England footballs “may have been closer to one pound below the minimum limit for inflation,” which leads to an important part of the investigation.

Many of you have asked a logical question that I agree needs to be answered by the league. The allowable range of air pressure in NFL balls is between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. If the Indianapolis footballs were checked before the game and found to be at 13.5 PSI, theoretically they could have lost a pound each and still been good. So if New England’s footballs were at 12.5 when delivered to the officials before the game and passed muster of the electric gauge that tests them, it’s conceivable they could have lost a pound of pressure and then all—or most—tested to be faulty at halftime.

A little education this morning, on the parts of this story I think people are missing.


1. The big issue is a six-to-10-minute window of time between when the officials release the ball to the ball boys, and the game begins.

My feeling after talking to several people with knowledge of the officiating process—and after witnessing it last year following the Gene Steratore crew in Chicago—is that there is some time period of less than 10 minutes between the handover of footballs to ball boys and the start of the game. A good estimate is six to 10 minutes. On the Steratore crew last year, Steratore and his head linesman, Wayne Mackie, waited until there was two or three minutes before the national anthem was played and that’s when they gave the balls to the ball boys. It’s usually two or three minutes post-anthem when teams line up for the opening kickoffs. A quick review of what happens to the balls: A dozen balls, minimum, are delivered by each team to the officials 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game. The balls are checked for air pressure. If they fall between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI, the balls are put aside and marked for use by one of the officials. If they are either too high or too low, air is either added or taken out so the balls are within range.

If the Colts’ footballs were all delivered to the officials at 13.5 PSI, the crew would have done nothing. If the Patriots’ football were all delivered at 12.5 PSI, the crew would have done nothing. But I don’t know what specific level of pressure the footballs had when they were released to the control of the ball boys.

That six- or 10-minute window is key to this investigation. In fact, it’s the biggest key. Did anything untoward happen in that time?

2. How did the players and teams get such control over the footballs? Why doesn’t the league take control of the football-prep process?

Let’s go back to 2006, to something I wrote just before the start of that season. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, backed by 20 other starting quarterbacks, petitioned the league to allow all 32 teams—rather than just home teams—to condition the footballs they would use each week in the way each team saw fit. Brady had been bothered by the inconsistent feel of footballs from game to game. The pre-2006 rule called for 36 official balls, manufactured by Wilson, to be provided to the home team for each outdoor game and 24 for each indoor game, the balls to be available for testing with a pressure gauge by officials two hours before kickoff. The home team and the officials had the option to use league-approved products supplied by Wilson (a bristle brush, a tack cloth and a semihard spongy cube) to rub down the game balls and remove the waxy, slippery sheen that they have when they come out of the box. A few quarterbacks preferred the balls to feel nearly new. Most, like Brady and Manning, want that sheen rubbed off so they can get a better grip and give the ball a broken-in feel.

“Imagine,” Brady told me at the time, “if Derek Jeter were handed a brand-new glove just before the start of every game. Baseball players break in their gloves until they feel perfect to them. It’s ridiculous to [be forced to] play with new footballs. I can tell you there’ve been nights before road games when I have had trouble sleeping because I’m thinking about what kind of footballs I’ll be throwing the next day.”

So after the 2005 season, while having dinner together in Miami Beach, Brady and Manning decided to approach their fellow quarterbacks about petitioning the NFL competition committee to change the rule. Brady proposed that the visiting team have access to a certain number of the allotted game balls—the number turned out to be 12—so it could prepare them the way it wanted; those balls would be stamped with the visiting team’s name and kept on the visitors’ sideline for use when that team was on offense. The remainder of the balls would be prepared by the hosts to their liking, 12 kept on the sideline for use on their drives and the other dozen in reserve in case bad weather created the need for additional balls. The competition committee approved the plan the next month, and it’s been that way ever since.

• SI VAULT: Peter King’s Sept. 2006 story about the new rule for footballs

3. And about Bill Belichick’s or Tom Brady’s legacy and Hall of Fame status …

Too early. Way too early. Brady might play five more years the way he’s going. Belichick might coach longer than that. Who knows? But with the five-year waiting period before either man is eligible for Hall election, that means it could be 2025 or 2027 before their cases are even heard for the first time.

There’s just too much that can happen before then, in all ways. Let’s see where this story ends up.
 
I heard that Kraft was the one who wanted the outside sources brought in to investigate because he knew Kensil was up to something and knew he wouldn't get a fair shake. I think most of what your saying is true but once they brought in outside people they have to wait for them to get all their ducks in a row. For all we know these guys are done and the NFL is trying to figure out what to do. Rogers job is probably in jeopardy as well as his cronies.
Where did you hear that?
 
Where did you hear that?
I don't remember who said it, I thought it was Curran but after watching that video he didn't say it there, he may have said it another time but I cant find the video. Ill see if I can find it for tomorrow. I know I heard it earlier today and my brother was watching with me so he heard it too.
 
3. And about Bill Belichick’s or Tom Brady’s legacy and Hall of Fame status …

Too early. Way too early. Brady might play five more years the way he’s going. Belichick might coach longer than that. Who knows? But with the five-year waiting period before either man is eligible for Hall election, that means it could be 2025 or 2027 before their cases are even heard for the first time.

There’s just too much that can happen before then, in all ways. Let’s see where this story ends up.

With any luck, Mr. King will no longer be one of the voters when that happens.
 
There can be no way Pats even get a fine without some kind of smoking gun evidence. I just hope ownership actually fights back hard this time if any kind of penalty is handed down.
 
There can be no way Pats even get a fine without some kind of smoking gun evidence. I just hope ownership actually fights back hard this time if any kind of penalty is handed down.

Believe it or not, I could actually envision the NFL fining them a small amount (maybe the suggested 25k) for having their footballs under the league mandated limit, even without further explanation of any wrongdoing.

Even if that were the case, I think it'd be okay at this point. I don't know--I didn't feel the same way a few days ago, but today a small fine with no other reasonable explanation for "cheating" somehow doesn't seem as bad.
 
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Believe it or not, I could actually envision the NFL fining them a small amount (maybe the suggested 25k) for having their footballs under the league mandated limit, even without further explanation of any wrongdoing.

Even if that were the case, I think it'd be okay at this point. I don't know--I didn't feel the same way a few days ago, but today a small fine with no other reasonable explanation for "cheating" somehow doesn't seem as bad.

Not going to cut it. They have angered too many obsessive folks who will take this to their congressmen and senators. This may be a NFL/Jets/Colts/Ravens conspiracy set up sting against the Patriots and none of them ever figured on science. This must be investigated and punishments handed out. Roger and his henchmen may be going after this. Congress must act and we must demand it of congress.
 
Not going to cut it. They have angered too many obsessive folks who will take this to their congressmen and senators. This may be a NFL/Jets/Colts/Ravens conspiracy set up sting against the Patriots and none of them ever figured on science. This must be investigated and punishments handed out. Roger and his henchmen may be going after this. Congress must act and we must demand it of congress.
Kraft will do anything to protect his relationship with goodell and show that he does not have conflict of interest and accept the fine . I wont be surprised at all. NFL has too much of an ego to not fine the pats especially after BB thumbed the nose at them yesterday. Goodell will throw out a line like "ignoranc is not an excuse" or some crap like that and fine them.
 
Kraft will do anything to protect his relationship with goodell and show that he does not have conflict of interest and accept the fine . I wont be surprised at all. NFL has too much of an ego to not fine the pats especially after BB thumbed the nose at them yesterday. Goodell will throw out a line like "ignoranc is not an excuse" or some crap like that and fine them.

Except that there is, apparently, no penalty for submitting out-of-spec balls (see: Rodgers, Aaron).
 
Kraft will do anything to protect his relationship with goodell and show that he does not have conflict of interest and accept the fine . I wont be surprised at all. NFL has too much of an ego to not fine the pats especially after BB thumbed the nose at them yesterday. Goodell will throw out a line like "ignoranc is not an excuse" or some crap like that and fine them.

Just as this quickly went out of the NFL hands, don't count on Bob being able to control the public and congress. The senator from Connecticut is already after the NFL because of Ray Rice. Any hint of a NFL cover up here will be a body blow for the league from congress. Sometimes people start things they can't control.
 
Not going to cut it. They have angered too many obsessive folks who will take this to their congressmen and senators. This may be a NFL/Jets/Colts/Ravens conspiracy set up sting against the Patriots and none of them ever figured on science. This must be investigated and punishments handed out. Roger and his henchmen may be going after this. Congress must act and we must demand it of congress.

Question 0, which precedes the questions King asked:

Has anyone ever studied the pressure of NFL footballs during games?

Question 0b, which also precedes the questions King asked:

How did the NFL come to be investigating this in the first place? It couldn't just be on a whim.
 
What was a non-story got blown all out of proportion because of the timing of the information release and the way it was presented. Regardless of what was originally intended, and regardless of how it turns out, this has turned into an enormous black eye for the league.

The NFL looks terrible if the Patriots are found guilty, because that means that the league's best team over the last 13 years is caught cheating for the second time. The league looks terrible if the Patriots are found not guilty, because leaks that should never have happened have ruined the 2 weeks between games.

And, if it turns out that this was a deliberate sting set up by some in the NFL league office, with or without Goodell's knowledge, well, that's a lot of firings and/or a question of "institutional control" for Rodger the Dodger.
 
Florio lives off of these kinds of plot-twists. It keeps his readers coming back for more.
 
BTW I just remembered, NBC which is telecasting the SB this yr also has Bob Costas ...wait for his righteous self to show this week.:mad:
 
Believe it or not, I could actually envision the NFL fining them a small amount (maybe the suggested 25k) for having their footballs under the league mandated limit, even without further explanation of any wrongdoing.

Even if that were the case, I think it'd be okay at this point. I don't know--I didn't feel the same way a few days ago, but today a small fine with no other reasonable explanation for "cheating" somehow doesn't seem as bad.

NO WAY! The pats have done nothing wrong. I can't believe you are saying that. The pats need to be compensated if anything.
 
NO WAY! The pats have done nothing wrong. I can't believe you are saying that. The pats need to be compensated if anything.

Really?

As @Deus Irae has pointed out many times this past week: "Have you seen Goodell's work lately?" You're talking about a guy who suspended the head coach of the Saints with the comment that "ignorance is no excuse." That suspension, as we know, lasted 1 year.

LOL--I find it very unlikely that the N.England Patriots are going to be "compensated" in any way, shape, or form. Who's going to be doing this "compensating?" Will that be from the writing of your state congressmen? Didn't people on the other side of the fence show just as much outrage, if not much more--when it came to camera gate? An investigation is an investigation. No one is likely to even say "I'm sorry," let alone shower us with gifts!

Let's just hope that we can get away from this without too much lost. That would be a fine place to start.
 
Really?

As @Deus Irae has pointed out many times this past week: "Have you seen Goodell's work lately?" You're talking about a guy who suspended the head coach of the Saints with the comment that "ignorance is no excuse." That suspension, as we know, lasted 1 year.

LOL--I find it very unlikely that the N.England Patriots are going to be "compensated" in any way, shape, or form. Who's going to be doing this "compensating?" Let's just hope that we can get away from this without too much lost. That would be a fine place to start.

Not at all! The Saints case isn't even comparable. There were multiple guilty people there. Who is guilty of deflating balls here?
 
Not at all! The Saints case isn't even comparable. There were multiple guilty people there. Who is guilty of deflating balls here?

How it is that much different? Sean Payton claimed that he had no former knowledge of the practice, which was stated by many others as well. As I said, Goodell claimed that his "ignorance was not an excuse."

As far as the rules go....if the balls were under inflated, they were under inflated. There's still the possibility that the asshat who is Roger Goodell will still give us a fine for that unexplained phenomenon. We've gone over this possibility every single day this week in multiple threads.

I'm just hoping that they state that we didn't openly cheat, that's all. If they find that there's no sufficient evidence of that, I'd be just fine. While I'm hoping/wishing on a star for full exoneration and an apology, that's probably fairly unlikely to happen.

How many people do you know run your entire franchise through the mud the week before the Super Bowl, then suddenly stand up, admit their faults, and apologize? Those two things don't even go together.
 


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