(Merged x3) It's All Happening!!! PFT Now Blames The NFL For Tarnishing The PATS Image

[Nitro]

BTW I just remembered, NBC which is telecasting the SB this yr also has Bob Costas ...wait for his righteous self to show this week.

I flip the channel as soon as that douche rocket's face appears, thought pretty much everyone did these days.

 

[Rob0729]

Well at least Peter King's tone has changed. From his MMQB:

I thought the Bill Belichick press conference Saturday afternoon was extraordinary. Clearly, he realized his integrity, and that of his organization, was under fire. He wanted to tell the world there was, in his mind, a rational explanation for the decline in pressure in the footballs during the first half of the AFC Championship Game. He wanted to tell the world stridently that he thought his team and his staff did absolutely nothing wrong. He wanted to tell the world he was proud of his players for continually persevering and becoming the best team in the AFC this season, which the Patriots certainly are. It was passionate and moving and very human.

Now, it was great TV, and it showed a side of Belichick we rarely get to see—the loyal and earnest and fiery and educational Belichick, all at once. But I’m not sure it changed very much. We still don’t know why New England’s footballs were fine before the game, low at halftime (at least 11, according to Chris Mortensen), inflated to the proper level by the officiating crew, and then fine after the game. So that’s a problem that needs to be addressed. Mike Florio atPro Football Talk reported Sunday, quoting a league source, that 10 of the New England footballs “may have been closer to one pound below the minimum limit for inflation,” which leads to an important part of the investigation.

Many of you have asked a logical question that I agree needs to be answered by the league. The allowable range of air pressure in NFL balls is between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. If the Indianapolis footballs were checked before the game and found to be at 13.5 PSI, theoretically they could have lost a pound each and still been good. So if New England’s footballs were at 12.5 when delivered to the officials before the game and passed muster of the electric gauge that tests them, it’s conceivable they could have lost a pound of pressure and then all—or most—tested to be faulty at halftime.

I don’t know that it’s likely. But it certainly is an issue that must be solved.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/26/super-bowl-49-patriots-seahawks-bill-vinovich-ref/2/

If this theory is the case, the lack of transparancy from the league is criminal. They let the world think that all of the balls were down around 2 PSI and the truth may be far less. And we have no idea if the Colts inflated their balls to the max (which could be the case because Luck has really big hands) and if they did and they were down to 12.5 PSI when measured, they lost the same amount of air pressure.

At least it is a near 180 from King's argument that there is no way they lost pressure without tampering.

 

[50-yard-line]

I still dont understand why the NFL didnt interview brady after talking to 40 people of 5 days ? Do they want to drag it on for publicity ? Show him some evidence they collected ? Plant something to frame the pats?

If their target was brady, they would likely collect as much as they could around him before talking to him. Easier to catch him that way.

 

[juny]

Yeah the team will have to fight any punishment, otherwise their reputation will be forever tainted and that's bad for business for Kraft. The team rep has already been damaged from the media ****storm. A verdict of no punishment can at least salvage it among rational people

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

This is why Peter King is an idiot.

So if New England’s footballs were at 12.5 when delivered to the officials before the game and passed muster of the electric gauge that tests them, it’s conceivable they could have lost a pound of pressure and then all—or most—tested to be faulty at halftime.

I don’t know that it’s likely. But it certainly is an issue that must be solved.

Not only is it likely, it's all but impossible for that to not happen.

Yes it's "conceiveble" that 12.5 minus 1 is less than 12.5. No way to know if that's true, maybe if we hire a team of mathematicians and lawyers to tackle the problem. Somebody call the Clay Institute and tell them we have a new millennial math problem.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

Chris Berman's nickname on the ESPN set. He used to do a segment (he may still) where he made predictions and wore a headdress.

The original term means an enlightened (i.e spiritual) teacher.

 

[50-yard-line]

After a certain point, you can't undo what is done by the messaging. Deus can probably elaborate on this, since he's a lawyer.

My degrees are in journalism and writing. I got them back in the 80's. The world is a very different place now in terms of communication, and we have come to see that perception becomes reality.

Busy people, who are taking in way too much information to ever properly digest it, make up their minds and for many people, it's almost impossible to unmake those impressions.

It's very sad because reputations can be destroyed for no reason. Pound at a reputation long enough, and the people who have come to hate a person will not change their opinion even if you show them with indisputable evidence that every claim made against the person is simply false.

We see this every day in politics. We even see it in the big scientific issues of the day.

The league could come out and make a statements completely exonerating the Patriots and a substantial number of people will, years from now, still refer to this scandal as proof of a culture of cheating or a reason that Brady shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

I mean, they tape other teams doing walk-throughs, right?

The league really screwed this up, and it's a one-way bottle.

 

[grux]

What was a non-story got blown all out of proportion because of the timing of the information release and the way it was presented. Regardless of what was originally intended, and regardless of how it turns out, this has turned into an enormous black eye for the league.

The NFL looks terrible if the Patriots are found guilty, because that means that the league's best team over the last 13 years is caught cheating for the second time. The league looks terrible if the Patriots are found not guilty, because leaks that should never have happened have ruined the 2 weeks between games.

And, if it turns out that this was a deliberate sting set up by some in the NFL league office, with or without Goodell's knowledge, well, that's a lot of firings and/or a question of "institutional control" for Rodger the Dodger.

I find it laughable that Roger is smart enough to coordinate a sting operation. I mean, he couldn't call a casino to ask for a video. If he did this is how I think it went down:

NFL Employee: Rodger, the patriots are up to their old tricks again. I think we should try to catch them in the act of playing with illegal footballs.

Rodger: I agree. I will organize a plan and we will catch them red handed.

Fast Forward To After Belichicks Sat Press Conference

NFL Employee To Rodger: Our sting operation isn't looking to good.

Rodger: What do you mean, I think it is going exactly as planed?

NFL Employee: Rodger, you did set up the sting operation trying to catch New England playing with illegal balls?

Rodger: I thought we were setting up an internal sting operation? Whoops. My bad.

NFL Employee: WTF

 

[Beethree]

This is why Peter King is an idiot.



Not only is it likely, it's all but impossible for that to not happen.

Yes it's "conceiveble" that 12.5 minus 1 is less than 12.5. No way to know if that's true, maybe if we hire a team of mathematicians and lawyers to tackle the problem. Somebody call the Clay Institute and tell them we have a new millennial math problem.

That's the frustrating thing. There is NO NEED TO SPECULATE. Bill's experiment is easily replicated. It can be proven or disproven empirically by anyone with some footballs and a pressure gauge (other than the scuffing process). Hard evidence is readily attained one way or the other.

 

[Wordsmyth]

The original term means an enlightened (i.e spiritual) teacher.

Berman is anything but.

 

[Jackson 2]

Peter Dink actually suggested that from now on the ball boys need to pass through a metal detector to make sure they don't have inflation needles in their body cavities. The world has gone insane...

 

[reflexblue]

Peter Dink actually suggested that from now on the ball boys need to pass through a metal detector to make sure they don't have inflation needles in their body cavities. The world has gone insane...

He really said that? LOL LOL LO L what a clown.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

I find it laughable that Roger is smart enough to coordinate a sting operation. I mean, he couldn't call a casino to ask for a video. If he did this is how I think it went down:

NFL Employee: Rodger, Irsay called all coked out of his mind again and said BB

Rodger: I agree. I will organize a plan and we will catch them red handed.

Fast Forward To After Belichicks Sat Press Conference

NFL Employee To Rodger: Our sting operation isn't looking to good.

Rodger: What do you mean, I think it is going exactly as planed?

NFL Employee: Rodger, you did set up the sting operation trying to catch New England playing with illegal balls?

Rodger: I thought we were setting up an internal sting operation? Whoops. My bad.

NFL Employee: WTF

I'm thinking it was more like this:

NFL Employee: Rodger, Irsay called all coked out of his mind and said Martians are deflating the Patriots footballs during the game.

Rodger: I fine them 1 billion dollars, and 1 million draft picks

NFL Employee To Rodger: Uhhh, I think we should maybe test the balls first.

Rodger: Let's do it at half time and make an example

NFL Employee: Well, we don't really know what pressure they should be at halftime. And that would make a huge spectacle. Because of temperature the balls could...

Rodger: I like peanut butter

NFL Employee: Okay, but

Rodger: I'm going to fine the next person who says they don't like peanut butter. Do you like peanut butter?

NFL Employee: Sure, but can we get back to the balls

Rodger: You don't sound too sure, I fine you 10 jillion dollars! Now measure the balls like I said!

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Peter Dink actually suggested that from now on the ball boys need to pass through a metal detector to make sure they don't have inflation needles in their body cavities. The world has gone insane...

Ridiculous, and they make plastic inflation needles so pointless.

 

[Ivan]

If their target was brady, they would likely collect as much as they could around him before talking to him. Easier to catch him that way.

They did their own internal investigation so they interviewed the same people the league did and would have known what they told the league investigators.

 

[dannydyn]

Someone, please, PLEASE, tell me there is a CCTV system at Gillette that was carpturing the Colts bench, and caught them temperibg with the intercepted ball.

 

[Ivan]

Well at least Peter King's tone has changed. From his MMQB:



http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/26/super-bowl-49-patriots-seahawks-bill-vinovich-ref/2/

If this theory is the case, the lack of transparancy from the league is criminal. They let the world think that all of the balls were down around 2 PSI and the truth may be far less. And we have no idea if the Colts inflated their balls to the max (which could be the case because Luck has really big hands) and if they did and they were down to 12.5 PSI when measured, they lost the same amount of air pressure.

At least it is a near 180 from King's argument that there is no way they lost pressure without tampering.

Peter King can go f.ck himself.

 

[Jackson 2]

Peter King can go f.ck himself.

Correct. Now that the wind direction on this is shifting, he blames the league. Opportunistic, phony jackass.

 

[Galeb]

It is truly amazing how little chatter there is now that it looks like there may be a conspiracy where NFL officials and teams worked together to entrap and defame the Pats. Revelations like that should have incited further frenzy, not taken all the air out of the whole story.

It appears as though the NFLPA is working with the Pats on this. I wonder if there are any other owners, or anyone else siding with the Pats. There is a battle being fought, and we can only speculate on who is involved.

 

[Ivan]

Correct. Now that the wind direction on this is shifting, he blames the league. Opportunistic, phony jackass.

With the exception of a few, who will go on believing the Patriots cheated no matter what the facts are most of these media a-holes are going to do 180's and pretend they were just following the facts when in truth they already lynched them without any evidence. Peter King was one of those and there are many many more who did the same.