Greg Bedard dealing with Playoff Level Stupidity Listening Thread

Rob0729 said:

The fact of the matter is there hasn't been an "all in" team that has won the Super Bowl in over a decade. I think the last one who might fit that category is the Broncos of the late 90s. It is a poor strategy to win a Super Bowl. And history proves that.

I guess you could argue that the Broncos went "all in" a year too late since Manning is probably the biggest reason they lost yesterday. But even if Manning was still THE old Manning yesterday instead of being AN old Manning, it wouldn't have stopped Ware from being invisible or Talib and Ward getting burnt in coverage yesterday.

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The 2000 Ravens had to be blown up before the 2002 season ... whereupon they immediately drafted Ed Reed.

Fencer said:

The 2000 Ravens had to be blown up before the 2002 season ... whereupon they immediately drafted Ed Reed.

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I don't know if they were all in though. I think they were still in the era of salary cap hell and they just had too many players who became too expensive. Most of their key players were either home grown talent or free agents acquired in previous years. I think the only significant free agent signed that year by the Ravens was Sam Adams.

PP2 said:

You don't need to watch the all-22 to watch Kline allow 1 sack and at least 4 hits on Brady in the 2nd quarter alone.

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Yeah, kind of surprised on his opinion of Kline, thought our interior offensive line as a whole left a lot to be desired.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Can't stop myself from repeating this but those 3 examples are why I'm critical of TFB this season. We went from a team that won by consistently SCORING as time ran out on the half to an offense that in several instances failed to score given an opportunity (Gronk open deep twice!) and instead had the opposition score. A HUGE point swing!

Worse yet the D has let down in the final minutes of the half (see GB game).

PS: TFB was OUTSTANDING in the 2nd half of the Ravens game. A lesser performance under intense pressure and we'd be joining Broncs fans.

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So let's assess all 3 of the picks. I didn't see the Detroit game. Gronk at Indy. Happened because Tom COULDNT step into his throw. Back foot lob. NOT a bad decision because Gronk was open. Bad execution from oline and Tom forced the pick. Get a pass imo

Chargers game. Again Gronk wide open. Oline fails to get rusher. Tom has to rush his throw. Brady then can't get his mechanics right, throws the pick. Again it was a result that was initiated by the offensive line. Not Brady. Again a GREAT decision, not executed fully

This last pick. Oline does well. But in a game where Brady throws 50 times, and has one pick that was a result of a bad throw. Sucks, but it happens. Don't want bad throws to happen in the playoffs, but we're all human. Again GOOD decision as Gronk was open, bad execution.

Finally, this game was won BECAUSE of Tom Brady and not in SPITE of Tom Brady. I think maybe a healthy Rodgers would be the only qb that could have done what Tom Brady did that day. I think Brady had 3 bad throws all that night, out of 50. That's 6% of his throws. Say the pats had a balanced attack and Brady threw 31 times. That isn't even 2 bad throws in a game and we are moaning about 3?

What has happened at the end of halfs have been execution problems. Not bad decision problems by Brady. I know it comes off sounding like I am defending Brady to my grave, but he did about as well as you could hope given the oline and Baltimores strength. Brady would have been a minuscule reason as to why we lost and is probably the biggest reason we are in the AFCCG.

To sum it up, had the pats lost given Brady's performance, it would have fallen on the defense AGAIN. Brady had to match Baltimore blow for blow most of the game, until the defense got some stops.

Kdo5 said:

Is he just being a contrarian to popular opinions from the game? I don't think anyone on the DL did very well. Any pressures Jones may have gotten didn't seem to affect Flacco much. he didn't seem to make any impact. Plus the line got shredded by the Ravens line and Forsett.

Surprised he'd put any DLineman as an up.

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Watching the game again on NFL game rewind…and I know this is a common complaint, but my goodness, they grabbed and held Jones all game long. There were a couple of plays where they literally pushed his head back by jamming his face mask.

And not a single call for him all game long.

So maybe he was better than we think.

Miguel said:

Bedard is done. So am I listening to them.

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My sympathies.

mosi said:

I think BB likes Amendola. He caught a short punt once and ran it forward a few yards, BB went running out to him smiling and high fiving him like he won some thing. Told me that BB is routing for this guy.

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Of course he's rooting for him, it was his decision to invest a ton of money in him.

ivanvamp said:

Watching the game again on NFL game rewind…and I know this is a common complaint, but my goodness, they grabbed and held Jones all game long. There were a couple of plays where they literally pushed his head back by jamming his face mask.

And not a single call for him all game long.

So maybe he was better than we think.

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You're right this gets mentioned a lot...but I noticed live as well

He gets advised more than any other DL I've ever seen, what is this a memo went out saying let him get spooned on the field?

I don't know if the team needs to complain, bb yell at the refs, or jones himself to start appealing to refs a bit....but it's getting more and more ridiculous every week!

Archeryaddict12 said:

I didn't see the Detroit game.

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That was first drive of 2nd half. But I give Brady a pass. He was throwing to Gronk who got held, if he wasn't held it's a TD

Archeryaddict12 said:

So let's assess all 3 of the picks. I didn't see the Detroit game. Gronk at Indy. Happened because Tom COULDNT step into his throw. Back foot lob. NOT a bad decision because Gronk was open. Bad execution from oline and Tom forced the pick. Get a pass imo

Chargers game. Again Gronk wide open. Oline fails to get rusher. Tom has to rush his throw. Brady then can't get his mechanics right, throws the pick. Again it was a result that was initiated by the offensive line. Not Brady. Again a GREAT decision, not executed fully

This last pick. Oline does well. But in a game where Brady throws 50 times, and has one pick that was a result of a bad throw. Sucks, but it happens. Don't want bad throws to happen in the playoffs, but we're all human. Again GOOD decision as Gronk was open, bad execution.

Finally, this game was won BECAUSE of Tom Brady and not in SPITE of Tom Brady. I think maybe a healthy Rodgers would be the only qb that could have done what Tom Brady did that day. I think Brady had 3 bad throws all that night, out of 50. That's 6% of his throws. Say the pats had a balanced attack and Brady threw 31 times. That isn't even 2 bad throws in a game and we are moaning about 3?

What has happened at the end of halfs have been execution problems. Not bad decision problems by Brady. I know it comes off sounding like I am defending Brady to my grave, but he did about as well as you could hope given the oline and Baltimores strength. Brady would have been a minuscule reason as to why we lost and is probably the biggest reason we are in the AFCCG.

To sum it up, had the pats lost given Brady's performance, it would have fallen on the defense AGAIN. Brady had to match Baltimore blow for blow most of the game, until the defense got some stops.

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The Detroit and San Diego INT's were just bad throws....PERIOD.

If you are going looking for stuff, ya might want to blame it on a herd of unicorns or something.

What's wrong with just realizing that over a course of a quarter, game, or season that all players make bad plays and mistakes?

Go easy on Giselle

Sicilian said:

I can think of three bad plays Brady made in that game:

- The incompletion to Amendola (the one that was challenged). He had time, space, and Amendola had separation. No reason that ball should have been that tough.

- The interception at the end of the first half.

- The sack that took them out of field goal range.

Three costly mistakes for sure, but three out of 50+ drop backs is pretty damn good.

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Had a couple of bad throws very early. One overthrow to Gronk (I think) on the left side and another he forced to a receiver on the left that went incomplete on a 3rd down where he had Vereen wide open for a 1st down.

patsfanincleveland said:

The Detroit and San Diego INT's were just bad throws....PERIOD.

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Completely disagree on the Detroit one. He's throwing that ball anticipating that only Gronk will get to it and he would have if he wasn't held which allowed the safety to break on the ball for the INT.

If Gronk is not held Brady has 1 more TD and 1 less INT for the season.

patsfanincleveland said:

The Detroit and San Diego INT's were just bad throws....PERIOD.

If you are going looking for stuff, ya might want to blame it on a herd of unicorns or something.

What's wrong with just realizing that over a course of a quarter, game, or season that all players make bad plays and mistakes?

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This. The fact that protection wasn't great in no way absolves Tom from blame on the SD and Indy throws.

Dagg said:

Actually looked it up he took a 9yd sack vs throwing it away which caused the fg to be 47 yds and gost missed it and of course then the Neslon TD. In my mind this sequence cost us that game.

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You need to double check your data. The sack was at the end of the game, not at the end of the first half.

JMC00 said:

Completely disagree on the Detroit one. He's throwing that ball anticipating that only Gronk will get to it and he would have if he wasn't held which allowed the safety to break on the ball for the INT.

If Gronk is not held Brady has 1 more TD and 1 less INT for the season.

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Unfortunately, it wasn't called.......sometimes that has to be anticipated.

The bigger point is TB will make bad plays and passes. It happens to everyone and it happens all the time.

It's like patsfans.com and draft busts. The only way you never, ever draft a bust is to...............never draft.

And the sack was his mistake or bad play HOW? OL played well overall but caved on that play.....Brady had no way to avoid that bullrush!!!

Sicilian said:

I can think of three bad plays Brady made in that game:

- The incompletion to Amendola (the one that was challenged). He had time, space, and Amendola had separation. No reason that ball should have been that tough.

- The interception at the end of the first half.

- The sack that took them out of field goal range.

Three costly mistakes for sure, but three out of 50+ drop backs is pretty damn good.

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Kdo5 said:

I usually keep listening because why not?

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To each, his own. The only reason I listen to the show is when Bedard is on and this forum likes hearing Bedard's opinion. My workday ends before his appearance. Therefore, I can help my fellow Patriots fans by transcribing Bedard's appearance. As soon as his spot ends I stop listening.

I tried listening to them yesterday and just couldn't get through half a show, Mazz's constantly shrieking, whiney voice put's me off to an unmeasurable degree. They're like two baboons flinging verbal poo at one another.

Thanks for transcribing I always like the back and forth in these threads.

Rob0729 said:

Hey did anyone get Felger and Mazz "paying the piper" on their Denver Broncos commentary. I sent them an e-mail throwing their "all in" commentary from early in the season back in their face. I missed the segment (I tuned in right before they went to break) I just wonder if they were responding to my e-mail or a caller or another e-mail.

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Thank you, Rob0729, for doing a great job describing the interview - great thread.

PP2 said:

You don't need to watch the all-22 to watch Kline allow 1 sack and at least 4 hits on Brady in the 2nd quarter alone.

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But you may have to watch the all-22 to determine that he played a lot better in the second half.