Ok, so I just watched some tape of Dorial Green-Beckham...

I was previously against taking a rookie WR early, but looking at this kid I'm convinced this could be a Moss like situation(in circumstance, not overall talent) where a kid who should be a top 10 pick can't get out of their own way and sabotages themselves.

He is EXACTLY the kind of WR we need as Brady gets older, we need the margin for error to get wider for TFB on the deeper throws and outside the hashes. A kid with this size and skill set could correct a lot of mistakes. I disagree that he doesn't look like a natural pass catcher. Doesn't rely on body catching, extends and catches the ball with his hands, his mitts must be huge.

How far is he expected to fall? This could be some insane value if he is there in the 2-3rd round just from what my lying eyes just saw. Would love for us to have another TRUE outside receiver so Edelman could play his natural position in the slot. After O-line/D-line is addressed, I don't see a more worthy addition than an asset who could maximize this offense against tougher defenses and the way to do that is to have more dynamo's on the outside. Lafell is/was incredible value but he is all we have outside the hashes as of now.

How bad is the off-field situation when looked at closely? He was never charged with anything, not even simple assault. So idk how it looks when combed over with the resources of an NFL team. This might be a case of not knowing your own strength and a lovesick kid getting carried away, or a malicious heartless giant attacking helpless women. I truly don't know, but I hope that this kid is vetted thoroughly either way.

What say you?

It says a lot to me that Missouri booted him off of their team. His off the field record is probably more important than his on-field skills. It is what it is. We don't have access to that information. We can't interview him or sit in on them when NFL teams. So, nobody on here can even make an educated guess what type of person he is. I'd pay attention to the ones who were closest to him. They booted him. May be the wrong thing to do. But, I'm not passing on a good player with no issues for him.

patsfaninpa said:

It says a lot to me that Missouri booted him off of their team. His off the field record is probably more important than his on-field skills. It is what it is. We don't have access to that information. We can't interview him or sit in on them when NFL teams. So, nobody on here can even make an educated guess what type of person he is. I'd pay attention to the ones who were closest to him. They booted him. May be the wrong thing to do. But, I'm not passing on a good player with no issues for him.

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That's not a terrible rationale. But allow me to play devil's advocate....

Even if that player could be one of the best @ his position? For a bargain relative to draft capital? That's seems shortsighted. You are not getting top 10 talent in the late 2nd or 3rd(at least not without some issues having caused that circumstance), so you aren't choosing between comparable players . I don't think getting kicked off your team necessarily says everything that's needs to be said about the situation. Rarely are things that black and white.

How about if his position's coach wanted him to stay, thought it was unlike him? Or if the decision came from over the Head Coach's head? What if the AD got chewed out about bad publicity because his job is on the line? What if you polled the players and they all thought that this was a misnomer for him? What if that girl he pushed was a benefactor's daughter?

These are just hypotheticals, but There are a number factors that could result in his expulsion without him being the devil is the point.

Wouldn't hurt at 96 or with our supplemental. But, a lot of the mocks I've seen have him going in the first or 2nd. We'll pick at the bottom of the second. I think we'd have to use our first on him. And, even then he might already be gone.

If I were a betting man, I doubt bb has him on the draft board.

For this stage in Brady's career, breaking in rookies might not be what bb is looking for. Low mileage vets on the other hand, aka lafell a, make a lot of sense.

Ochmed Jones said:

If I were a betting man, I doubt bb has him on the draft board.

For this stage in Brady's career, breaking in rookies might not be what bb is looking for. Low mileage vets on the other hand, aka lafell a, make a lot of sense.

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That's part of why I like Smelter. Big time talent, at likely minimal cost. Put him on PUP (and probably IR) and give him some time to learn the playbook and get healthy, then see what he can do, with little lost if he doesn't pan out. I personally liked him better than DGB, anyway - he was a baseball prospect who has relatively little experience at the WR position, with a ton of upside.

It's also why I could see the Pats cutting Amendola with a post-June 1 designation if they can land another WR at reasonably cost in FA. They don't have to make a decision right away - if no one is available within their price range then they can keep Amendola for another year.

I live in KC and have heard a lot on the story of DGB. The situation is pretty bad. To sum up from what was reported on sports radio. He went to his girlfriends friends apartment, broke in, assaulted her, and then robbed her. I think he was drunk. The girl, knowing who he was and his stature on campus, was afraid to press charges because of the backlash to her. Can't quite remember how the story eventually came out, but there was some cover up by Mizzou. Pretty ugly situation and I am not sure he will be on the Patriots radar.

I know he's a hell of a risk, but he's a top talent. I think he's someone who can help the offense reach another level.

In light of BMOCs like Jameis Winston and AHern who get away with far too much in college, the phrase "but he was never charged" carries zero weight with me.

From what I've seen of DGB, he runs two routes. A go and a screen. He's very big and psychical, and I could see him getting drafted in the 2nd like Gordon, but I don't really want any part of him.

He's now declared for the 2015 draft, FWIW.

Huge talent. Very unstable though. I'd use a fourth on him.

Pick him at 32

Deus Irae said:

Pick him at 32

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Just as a academic exercise would you take Gordon for a 2nd/3rd over DGB ?

Both seem to be problematic characters, Gordon has shorter rookie contract length but somewhat established performance.

luuked said:

Just as a academic exercise would you take Gordon for a 2nd/3rd over DGB ?

Both seem to be problematic characters, Gordon has shorter rookie contract length but somewhat established performance.

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I understand what your saying, but i don't trust him staying off of any type of drug during the offseason. And one more and he'll get tossed out of the league ( im also well aware that DGB is very risky himself). But if DGB is available in the third I'd be tempted to pull the trigger.

luuked said:

Just as a academic exercise would you take Gordon for a 2nd/3rd over DGB ?

Both seem to be problematic characters, Gordon has shorter rookie contract length but somewhat established performance.

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Gordon's either going to be a UFA, or one year from it, depending upon how the suspension issue gets resolved. I wouldn't be dishing out a high pick for that. Now, if you tell me that you can get Gordon as a lessened cost/higher risk FA, and DGB in the draft, giving the Patriots

Gordon
Edelman
DGB
LaFell
WR5
WR6 (?)

next year, which would give DGB time to get up to speed and, hopefully, get straightened out a bit, I'll spend a lot of the offseason smiling about the potential of such a Patriots offense*.







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Also, the above is contingent upon this kid hitting the numbers I'd expect and looking ready to go.

Added note: This is the kind of year where this sort of gamble is more 'acceptable', as long as the team can retain its own free agents. If we look at who we hope/expect to return, we'd get something like

Nink
Wilfork
Jones
Jones
Ayers and/or Branch
Siliga
Easley
Collins
Hightower
Mayo
Browner
Revis
McCourty
Arrington
Dennard (?)
Butler

back on defense, with decisions on the starting S1 and some backups being all that needs to happen to fill out the defense. That would allow for an offense heavy draft, with a focus on the OL (and maybe TE) after that DGB gamble pick.

Deus Irae said:

Gordon's either going to be a UFA, or one year from it, depending upon how the suspension issue gets resolved. I wouldn't be dishing out a high pick for that. Now, if you tell me that you can get Gordon as a lessened cost/higher risk FA, and DGB in the draft, giving the Patriots

Gordon
Edelman
DGB
LaFell
WR5
WR6 (?)

next year, which would give DGB time to get up to speed and, hopefully, get straightened out a bit, I'll spend a lot of the offseason smiling about the potential of such a Patriots offense*.







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On paper it is a risky move not only because of the players involved but mostly due to the opportunity cost connected to the draft picks used to trade for Gordon and pick DGB. Independent of Gordon if I'd have to choose an offensive weapon early in the draft I'd try to go after TE Maxx Williams to have potential redundancy at the position and also improve our no-huddle offense with a second TE that can block and catch. But I understand why your proposition makes you giddy.

luuked said:

On paper it is a risky move not only because of the players involved but mostly due to the opportunity cost connected to the draft picks used to trade for Gordon and pick DGB. Independent of Gordon if I'd have to choose an offensive weapon early in the draft I'd try to go after TE Maxx Williams to have potential redundancy at the position and also improve our no-huddle offense with a second TE that can block and catch. But I understand why your proposition makes you giddy.

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I would love maxx williams but I doubt he gets drafted by us. There's not a clear need for TE. He'd be nice to have, but I don't think he brings what a deep threat like DGB does. I think this offense needs that type of production from one of the WRs.

Gabriel_p94 said:

I would love maxx williams but I doubt he gets drafted by us. There's not a clear need for TE. He'd be nice to have, but I don't think he brings what a deep threat like DGB does. I think this offense needs that type of production from one of the WR

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I disagree that there is no need. If Gronk is out 1-3 games do we simply throw out half of the playbook for that duration?

Hooman clearly is not the answer and might be gone this offseason anyway due to contract vs. production. Wright can't block and is rather complementary in his receiving routes compared to Gronk.

In regards to a deep player, I understand what you are saying but I'd argue that having a second hybrid TE who can be used in no huddle who can be used to manipulate/create mismatches might be more valuable than a deep player.

Now of course if DGB ends up a OBJ/Julio Jones kind of talent I will look like an idiot and you are right.