***** Official Deus Irae 9/7/2014 game observations (and more) thread *****

Wallace isnt the "real deal" after 1 game

Another example of how nobody seemed to know what they were doing:

The blocked punt that put the Patriots in an early hole was a case in which the Dolphins didn’t even have a full-fledged pressure call on, which leads us to believe a communication error was at the root of the issue. The Dolphins rushed six. The Patriots had eight in to protect. A blocked punt should not happen in that situation, but based on an initial pressure look up the middle, it seems logical to assume there was a call made to alter protection by personal protector Nate Ebner. Not every blocker on the line seemed to get the message however, with linebacker Chris McCain's inside rush beating Rob Ninkovich to his inside shoulder and giving McCain a direct line to punter Ryan Allen.

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Pats 1st-quarter review: Blocked punt - espnBoston

This could point to lack of preparation, unless the punt unit suffered simultaneous heat stroke in the 1st quarter.

Odrick's words mean nothing, but them letting go of your binky over a season ago means something? Welker is gone, he's been gone, he's not coming back. Deal with it.

By the way, they had Welker out there for SB42 (14 points), SB46 (where he blew the game with his little t-rex arms), 2012 AFCCG (13 points by the offense and another key drop by Wes). Them dumping the ball off to him early this season wouldn't fix their problems later.

shmessy said:

The other take away from yesterday's game is that Tannehill felt ALOT more comfortable throwing at Revis than the great Aaron Rodgers did in throwing at Richard Sherman.

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I think it better to phrase that Tannehill wanted to throw at his #1 option, Wallace. Keep in mind that Wallace, who is no slouch, and is a burner, was targeted 5 times and had TWO pass defended, (would have been three if not for a lucky knee bounce). Take away that knee bounce and the Tannehill to Wallace connection would have been 1 for 5.

I would take that every time.

PP2 said:

I think it better to phrase that Tannehill wanted to throw at his #1 option, Wallace. Keep in mind that Wallace, who is no slouch, and is a burner, was targeted 5 times and had TWO pass defended, (would have been three if not for a lucky knee bounce). Take away that knee bounce and the Tannehill to Wallace connection would have been 1 for 5.

I would take that every time.

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Revis should have allowed two TD's to Wallace and got bailed out on a bad throw by Tannehill. That said, for whatever reason, the coaching staff was playing him in primarily off man until it was too late. Revis is much better when he can bump his man at the LOS.

Brady_to_Moss said:

Wallace isnt the "real deal" after 1 game

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Mike Wallace was proven he will never be the real deal when the likes of Kyle Arrington and Marquice Cole pretty much locked him down outside of that 40 yard TD that Gregory had his eyes closed on.

PP2 said:

Please show me you know how to diagnose if broken plays were a result of wrong routes or a wrong read on coverage, as opposed to broken plays caused by an error made by Brady either in read or route (not including bad throws which are easy to diagnose).

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the edelman pass, which is what i was referring to, didnt look like a broken play to me......he looked wide open going toward the sideline, and brady missed him, one way or another.

PP2 said:

I think it better to phrase that Tannehill wanted to throw at his #1 option, Wallace. Keep in mind that Wallace, who is no slouch, and is a burner, was targeted 5 times and had TWO pass defended, (would have been three if not for a lucky knee bounce). Take away that knee bounce and the Tannehill to Wallace connection would have been 1 for 5.

I would take that every time.

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I hear ya, PP2.

But what about the one where he was WIDE OPEN in the EZ (faked Revis out of his jock) and Tanny overthrow him. Shouldn't that be included too?

Just comparing how one of the 3 best QB's in the NFL was iced against even LOOKING at Sherman, while a decent young QB went at Revis.

The idea was put forth that Revis would effectively shut off half of the field to a QB. That was not true yesterday.

KontradictioN said:

Revis should have allowed two TD's to Wallace and got bailed out on a bad throw by Tannehill. That said, for whatever reason, the coaching staff was playing him in primarily off man until it was too late. Revis is much better when he can bump his man at the LOS.

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While Revis is best when he can play tight, you also have to be careful. Because if you fail to jam Wallace at the line, all the quarterback has to do is drop it into his hands and he's taking it to the house.

shmessy said:

What about the one where he was WIDE OPEN in the EZ (faked Revis out of his jock) and Tanny overthrow him.

Just comparing how one of the 3 best QB's in the NFL was iced against even LOOKING at Sherman, while a decent young QB went at Revis.

The idea was put forth that Revis would effectively shut off half of the field to a QB. That was not true yesterday.

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Sherman also had the advantage of a defensive line that wouldn't let Rodgers so much as breathe before they were on top of him, and then he was covering Jarrett Boykin for most of the game rather than the team's top targets.

I think that opening up in the heat, and with Brady and Gronk having almost no playing time in the pre-season, hurt.

I thought that Amendola was invisible.
Hooman hurt the team on several occasions, and did nothing positive.
The O-line was terrible. However, on the strip sack, Wake and another d-lieman come free, Solder does the right thing and takes the inside guy, Vareen ran right by an unblocked Wake, he needs to at least chip him there. The TEs were awful in pass protection!

The D-line got no penetration whatsoever! The three man front means that Vince get double teamed every down. The LBs are not filling (insert they should have never let Spikes go here). And of course, the safties are awful!

The Pats are suffering from an overall lack of talent. They had a huge hole at center and should have addressed it long before the 5th round (and long before drafting a back-up QB, a back-up (not even dressed for the game RB!! Ditto for TE! and of course, if they had drafted a TE, the wouldn't have had to trade their starting LG for yet another Rutgers player! Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Rutgers suck? Why not litter your roster with Alabama guys?

You can never convince me that Vellano is better than Kelly. And the waste of a first round pick, was a complete non-factor too!

shmessy said:

They are far more relevant to any of OUR words about a game that was played on the field yesterday.

The player was on the field going against the LG position of the New England Patriots.

How much more relevance do you need?

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Any relevance at all would have been a good start.

Deus Irae said:

First, lose the language. You started off with the nonsense, not me. Second, you're one of the most ardent of the White Knights of the Order of Belichick around here. Third:



http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4760174/tommy-kelly-restructures-pact

Think real hard and try to see if you can come up with a reason why a player who'd signed a contract like that would take issue with the prospect of lessened playing time.

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While it's evident that Kelly was worried about playing time, and perhaps rightfully so, there are a few things going on here. 1. It's pre-season, where playing time does not really matter. Perhaps they weren't playing him as much because they knew what they had with him (very likely, in my opinion). 2. If he was so nervous about playing time, he could have simply had a discussion with Belichick or Patricia asking them to honestly assess his role on the team. Perhaps he did, we'll never know.

3. But most importantly, this one---think real hard and tell me if you can think of an example of a 33 year old defensive lineman coming off an ACL injury who was cut in training camp, THEN received a contract that was paying him more than Kelly was due to receive from New England.

Kelly's agent should have been realistic with him and told him that if money was the issue, he should have just stayed Pat. Seems to me that both the team and the player would have been better off in the long run. It seems Kelly's pride was being wounded, he got nervous, and he made what turned out to be a disastrous financial decision.

shmessy said:

I hear ya, PP2.

But what about the one where he was WIDE OPEN in the EZ (faked Revis out of his jock) and Tanny overthrow him. Shouldn't that be included too?

Just comparing how one of the 3 best QB's in the NFL was iced against even LOOKING at Sherman, while a decent young QB went at Revis.

The idea was put forth that Revis would effectively shut off half of the field to a QB. That was not true yesterday.

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Yes I will concede that.. Revis wouldn't win every battle, but with a burner like Wallace, I would take the results that we got out of Revis yesterday. As I mentioned, if not for a lucky knee bounce, he is 1 of 5.

Big-T said:

Observation:
A defense plays like how the coordinator projects themselves. Patricia always looks nervous/scared on the sideline and that's how the defense plays.

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That is the biggest load of absolute bull I've ever seen repeated on this board. Where do get this "observation" -- from 3-second cameo shots on television? Anyone gleaning "nervous and scared" from tiny snippets of Patricia's demeanor and body language has a very active imagination. The man is focused on doing his job, not flipping out and losing control like a Rob Ryan.

Ivan said:

Disagree completely Rob, everyone has their positions on various issues and some grind their axes on them relentlessly, however that take was about as accurate as it gets and simply mentioning things he had taken issue with in no way equals grinding an agenda on them. They did miss Mankins and Kelly yesterday and while i am as big a defender of Amendola as there is on this board i too was wondering where he was in the first half of yesterdays game. How much of that was MacDaniels and how much of it was Amendola remains to be seen as it seemed like he wanted to focus on Edelman and Gronk but Amendola is going to have to be much more of a presence to even come close to justifying the deal he got. I don't like or respect the agendas some here have but i don't think there is any way that post can be construed as agenda driven.

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I don't think Mankins was missed that much unless they moved him to RT and put him on Cameron Wake who had Vollmer for lunch. The Pats could have easily won without Mankins yesterday if people outside of the LG position did their job.

I didn't like that Kelly was cut, but he asked for his release. It is a tough issue. Do you keep a disgruntled veteran on the roster who you only intend to use in certain role who could poison the locker room or do you respect his wish to let him go to find a place where he can get more playing time. I don't know if it is an easy answer. I probably would have kept him, but knowing he asked for his release, I don't think it is cut and dry.

As for the d-line in general, I hate that they are doing a 3-4 especially with smaller guys like Chandler Jones and Dominque Easley playing DE in a 3-4. I think if you are going with small quick guys like that inside, you go with a four man front. Now if Jones is playing OLB (like he did in the preseason), then I don't mind it as much. I may give them another week with hopefully Chris Jones returning and Siliga being another week healed, but I think the formation based on the personnel was a bigger issue than missing Kelly.

As for Amendola, he wasn't the reason the offense sputtered either. Brady spread the ball around quite a bit yesterday in the first half. It is funny. Everyone in the game thread were talking about all the weapons Brady had in the first half. I know Amendola is viewed as the Welker replacement and the expectations are higher or him (or at least the hate when he doesn't produce is greater), but if Edelman and Gronk are drawing a lot attention guys like Thompkins and Vereen should be open too. No one stepped up when Gronk and Edelman disappeared, not just Amendola.

BTW, I think Edelman was injured in the first half and that was why he disappeared in the second half.

I am done talking about Deus in this thread. So I will just reiterate that we just have different points of view.

KontradictioN said:

Revis should have allowed two TD's to Wallace and got bailed out on a bad throw by Tannehill. That said, for whatever reason, the coaching staff was playing him in primarily off man until it was too late. Revis is much better when he can bump his man at the LOS.

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Agree completely, and as bad as the team played i thought the coaching staff sucked every bit as much, and in their case the heat really wasn't a factor.

PP2 said:

Yes I will concede that.. Revis wouldn't win every battle, but with a burner like Wallace, I would take the results that we got out of Revis yesterday. As I mentioned, if not for a lucky knee bounce, he is 1 of 5.

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But apparently according to some Revis was continually torched all day.

Other Miami receivers

Brian Hartline: 2 rec- 26 yards
Charles Clay: 2 rec- 27 yards

And iirc those 4 reception didn't come against Revis.

He got beat on two plays, the 22 yard catch and a ball that went down in the books as an incompletion.

RayClay said:

Who's throwing the ball?

If they read it "right" but Brady reads it differently and throws an interception to the area he thinks they should have gone, they are "right"?

Remember, they could be cutting to an area to be wide open, but if there's no football when they get there, it's hard to say they are "right", isn't it?

Here's a vid of Ochocinco getting wide open with a path to reaching the end zone in stride. Unfortunately, he was supposed to cut back sharply, preventing what actually happened.

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i dont see how that video is relevant.....chad rounded off a route instead of making a sharp cut.....it says nothing of how well the CB was staying with him if he went deep....or what the FS was doing

i suppose the larger point is whether the offense is about just reading the defense the same as brady, regardless of what the defenders are doing

if thats the case, then it is literally impossible for brady to make a wrong read.......i doubt that is the way it is set up by BB and JM........but i could be wrong

reflexblue said:

The team has almost always struggled in south florida early in the season.

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EVERY team struggles in South Florida early in a season. Seriously, I live in CT and I'm in reasonably good shape, and I'm pouring with sweat if I walk up a midsized flight of stairs on a 90 degree 90% humidity day. And we're all shocked we lost because our fattest guys (linemen, both sides of the ball) couldn't handle it for a full 3 hours against a very talented squad playing in home conditions?