BB rips Welker

Re: Belichick blasts Welker

Bella*chick said:

Perhaps you missed the similarly titled thread on this waaaay before yours.

Oh, and BB doesn't give a crap what you think.

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:kiss2: As a matter of fact I did miss it. Looked and didn't see it before I posted this. Thanks Chick. :kiss2:

Oh and I don't give a crap what Bill thinks. He needs to shut up and just coach. Don't play a rather lousy GM, don't mouth sour grapes and make yourself look bad ONCE AGAIN, just shut up and coach Bill. That's all most of us want from you

Sciz said:

Welker wasn't owed crap. Judging after one year, signing Amendola didn't work out, but letting Welker go was easily the right move. They had the better player in Edelman this season.

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You are so blind that it ain't even funny. Edelman was already here for years and he is not better than Welker. Amendola hurt the cap situation of this team and had a terrible injury history. Hell, Edelman does as well and I bet you probably want to pay him a ton of money too. Maybe using tiny slot WRs as your main weapon every year isn't exactly the best recipe for a SB because the Patriots seem to struggle in the big games with no matter what slot weapon they are using. They need some big imposing receivers again with some talent. Welker was as reliable as it got on this team.

Dobson and Thompkins aren't worth a squat either. They should have never been starters on a team when Brady only has one or two years left to make a serious run. If BB thinks that they are the answer at wide out then Brady might as well accept that he will not see any other SB rings and will just have to play for the joy of it.

Best comment yet, I believe from Troy Brown - if this had been Julian Edelman doing this to Darell Revis, we'd be saying this is good tough defensive football.

Now, fact is it's a dirty play -- there IS no ball-carrier yet. But what kind of ****ies are we? Sometimes you are not the better team on the field on a given day. I didn't see that leading to Denver hanging 48 points on us or something. I saw a lackluster NE offense and -- before and after the loss of Talib -- a serviceable defense.

Complaints, howls, blame, whatever, it is all moot. And because of the Patriots' consistent excellence over the years, the Pats get the "no sympathy" treatment immediately on any such point from the media and any other fanbases.

I think it was a bad non-call. Clearly it pissed off Belichick and he gave the interview he gave.

Beyond that, it's time to take a xanax, play some golf, jam w/Bon Jovi or Steve Tyler for a couple weeks, then start going through what film's available on prospects.

Sirrously.

Rob0729 said:

I thought Welker should have been flagged, but they let people play yesterday other than the BS pass interference call against Hooman. That said, I didn't think it was a dirty play or Welker did anything that you don't see in a lot of games.

Belichick is wrong here and probably shouldn't have said what he said because it makes him look bad.

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I think Belichick is right. And when he says "it's one of the worst plays he's ever seen," he's looking at it as a football coach.

The problem wasn't that the two ran into each other on the same route. It's that Welker deliberately veered into Talib from Talib's left side. They weren't on a collision course. Typically pick plays and rubs (even illegal ones, or even ones when players collide) are part of the game. I can't remember however seeing a WR veer into a guy at high speed.

This is why Belichick said "it's one of the worst." It's because of the way Welker went at it, and whether there was intent to injure or not, anytime you are not on the same route on a pick as the CB, and you come at him from the side at full speed, the probability of injury is quite high.

If you're making a very dangerous play out there, it's bad.

SuperWilliamsBrothers said:

Doesn't have to be pick plays. The patriots are one of the dirtiest teams in pro sports.

How about when wilfork threw a WWE style flying elbow at Losman's knee after the play?

You guys and belichick were strangely silent after that one.

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Hmm, I see you are still here basking in the "glory". enjoy while it lasts because when the next season begins, its straight to the bottom as usual.

Honesty, I kinda feel bad for you having to support your team, losing season after season, being the bottom feeders of AFCE, not knowing what it means to be in multiple AFCCG, multiple super bowls. As Andy mentioned, this is playoff talk and you wouldn't have a clue what it means

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

In a pick play you get in the way, "rub" him, make the DB alter his line.

Pick plays don't involve diving at the knees of the DB.

This was a lot worse than "just a pick play"

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Not defending Welker, but he wasn't diving at Talib's knees. The rib area seemed to be the target.

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Texxx said:

BB needs to eat his crow. He underappreciated Welker and didn't appreciate Brady enough to make sure that he still had his most valuable weapon. He let the best slot receiver of all time end up on a team that already had two elite wideouts and a HOF QB. Bellicheck is reaping what he sowed before the season.

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I'm always amused by newbies who swoop in here and dole out proclamations while continually misspelling the coach's name. Hey there Texxx ol' pardner: might it be that Brady's "most valuable weapon" actually was Gronk, and that Belichick "reaped what he sowed" by ensuring that the roster had a guy (Edelman) who outperformed Welker in a similar role this year?

PatsFanInVa said:

Best comment yet, I believe from Troy Brown - if this had been Julian Edelman doing this to Darell Revis, we'd be saying this is good tough defensive football.

Now, fact is it's a dirty play -- there IS no ball-carrier yet. But what kind of ****ies are we? Sometimes you are not the better team on the field on a given day. I didn't see that leading to Denver hanging 48 points on us or something. I saw a lackluster NE offense and -- before and after the loss of Talib -- a serviceable defense.

Complaints, howls, blame, whatever, it is all moot. And because of the Patriots' consistent excellence over the years, the Pats get the "no sympathy" treatment immediately on any such point from the media and any other fanbases.

I think it was a bad non-call. Clearly it pissed off Belichick and he gave the interview he gave.

Beyond that, it's time to take a xanax, play some golf, jam w/Bon Jovi or Steve Tyler for a couple weeks, then start going through what film's available on prospects.

Sirrously.

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Troy Brown didn't say that. Some announcer did. And whatever we say as fans, this is Belichick talking. Not fans. I don't think BB is complaining about the non-call as much as he is about the dangerous precedent of having a WR veer off to collide with a CB at full speed. Normally illegal pick plays happen when the two of them are going right at each other. In this case, Welker veered off at high speed.

Texxx said:

You are so blind that it ain't even funny. Edelman was already here for years and he is not better than Welker. Amendola hurt the cap situation of this team and had a terrible injury history. Hell, Edelman does as well and I bet you probably want to pay him a ton of money too. Maybe using tiny slot WRs as your main weapon every year isn't exactly the best recipe for a SB because the Patriots seem to struggle in the big games with no matter what slot weapon they are using. They need some big imposing receivers again with some talent. Welker was as reliable as it got on this team.

Dobson and Thompkins aren't worth a squat either. They should have never been starters on a team when Brady only has one or two years left to make a serious run. If BB thinks that they are the answer at wide out then Brady might as well accept that he will not see any other SB rings and will just have to play for the joy of it.

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Edelman is definitely better than Welker right now, but Brady needs a lot more than Edelman.

Re: Belichick blasts Welker

parthasas said:

But hey, what you and me think means jack **** and I don't think BB or Kraft gives a rats ass about it.

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Agree. And that is a good thing.

(You are most likely smarter than me, but my brilliant fan judgment was "better a few years left of proven production from Drew than the kid that got lucky"... Although remember, TFB was not lighting up the airways back then.)

Belichick rips Welker play...ergo.....BB is a scumbag for letting Welker walk...makes sense.

OK..now that's settled let's listen to some tunes...

upstater1 said:

I think Belichick is right. And when he says "it's one of the worst plays he's ever seen," he's looking at it as a football coach.

The problem wasn't that the two ran into each other on the same route. It's that Welker deliberately veered into Talib from Talib's left side. They weren't on a collision course. Typically pick plays and rubs (even illegal ones, or even ones when players collide) are part of the game. I can't remember however seeing a WR veer into a guy at high speed.

This is why Belichick said "it's one of the worst." It's because of the way Welker went at it, and whether there was intent to injure or not, anytime you are not on the same route on a pick as the CB, and you come at him from the side at full speed, the probability of injury is quite high.

If you're making a very dangerous play out there, it's bad.

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If anything it looked like Welker took the worst of that hit. That "football play" (and that is what it was) would not have made the top 10 nasty hits list in the SF/Seattle game.
Sour grapes by Belichick because he doesn't like Wes Welker.

parthasas said:

Hmm, I see you are still here basking in the "glory". enjoy while it lasts because when the next season begins, its straight to the bottom as usual.

Honesty, I kinda feel bad for you having to support your team, losing season after season, being the bottom feeders of AFCE, not knowing what it means to be in multiple AFCCG, multiple super bowls. As Andy mentioned, this is playoff talk and you wouldn't have a clue what it means

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0 titles and a mediocre playoff track record since spygate. The Bills have just as many legitimate rings as your patriots do, and more legitimate Super Bowl appearances

SuperWilliamsBrothers said:

0 titles and a mediocre playoff track record since spygate. The Bills have just as many legitimate rings as your patriots do, and more legitimate Super Bowl appearances

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You don't get to decide, so too bad for you.

Was it three or four in a row you lost? I thought for the longest time it was three but yesterday a friend informed me it was actually four.

chasa said:

Welker left for less total money.

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comon, total money in NFL is a joke, he wont see most of that contract

upstater1 said:

Troy Brown didn't say that. Some announcer did.

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Okay, best comment yet, from "some announcer."

And whatever we say as fans, this is Belichick talking. Not fans. I don't think BB is complaining about the non-call as much as he is about the dangerous precedent of having a WR veer off to collide with a CB at full speed.

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Really? Did he extrapolate on that for multiple pages of a bulletin board? Are all you guys really Bill Belichick with multiple screen names? Bill, has it come to this?

He made a comment in a press conference. He's usually quite strategic and restrained. I don't want to read the tea leaves as to whether he's uncharacteristically venting about a guy he's had it with, characteristically (though unlikely) being an evil genius and getting Welker pre-limited for the Super Bowl (no self-interest in that,) or really concerned that that was the worst dirtiest hit he's ever seen.

I don't think it was. I think you know this too, "Bill."

Normally illegal pick plays happen when the two of them are going right at each other. In this case, Welker veered off at high speed.

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(1) he's supposed to be in the way, not make the hit - but he'd have to veer to be in the way too. Your "he veered that makes it worse" point is lost on me.

(2) I dunno about you but I was here a few years back when Polian got the league to say "you must play two-hand touch against Colts receivers." I liked real football then, and I do now. That hit should have been a flag but it wasn't a vicious helmet-on-helmet hit, he didn't dive at Talib's knees, it was a full body shot at high speed.

What he did had a very low chance of success if the intent was to injure, and other approaches were available with higher chances of success. The intent was to illegally hit the DB and facilitate a positive outcome for one play - and also go "I'm a tough little guy don't eff with me!"

You don't want to lose your best DB in an already injury-ravaged team. At the same time the donks took a few losses too. It was that kind of game, not two-hand-touch.

can someone explain the rule to me? I've heard the play was legal because the ball was there simultaneously, which doesn't make sense to me. The ball was not thrown to Welker, yet he can take a defender out? I can see it as a block if another Bronco had the ball, but that was not the case.
A WR can't just go taking defenders out every time a pass is in the air.

Ulf Sammuelson vs. Cam Neely all over again.
I will see that hit forever in my nightmares.

livinginthe past said:

- namely Brady being his usual awful self on deep throws - which would have made all the difference.

Alas, wasn't to be.

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After that deep heave to one of his munchkin receivers landed about 10ft passed the receiver, I said "I don't think I have ever seen Brady complete one of those successfully." Though I know I must be wrong, esp. when Moss was here. When I watched Flacco in last year's SB, I was jealous. Randy Moss sure made Tom's deep throws look good.

What's the problem: the thrower or the catchers?

PatsFanInVa said:

Okay, best comment yet, from "some announcer."



Really? Did he extrapolate on that for multiple pages of a bulletin board? Are all you guys really Bill Belichick with multiple screen names? Bill, has it come to this?

He made a comment in a press conference. He's usually quite strategic and restrained. I don't want to read the tea leaves as to whether he's uncharacteristically venting about a guy he's had it with, characteristically (though unlikely) being an evil genius and getting Welker pre-limited for the Super Bowl (no self-interest in that,) or really concerned that that was the worst dirtiest hit he's ever seen.

I don't think it was. I think you know this too, "Bill."



(1) he's supposed to be in the way, not make the hit - but he'd have to veer to be in the way too. Your "he veered that makes it worse" point is lost on me.

(2) I dunno about you but I was here a few years back when Polian got the league to say "you must play two-hand touch against Colts receivers." I liked real football then, and I do now. That hit should have been a flag but it wasn't a vicious helmet-on-helmet hit, he didn't dive at Talib's knees, it was a full body shot at high speed.

What he did had a very low chance of success if the intent was to injure, and other approaches were available with higher chances of success. The intent was to illegally hit the DB and facilitate a positive outcome for one play - and also go "I'm a tough little guy don't eff with me!"

You don't want to lose your best DB in an already injury-ravaged team. At the same time the donks took a few losses too. It was that kind of game, not two-hand-touch.

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Ugh, I really had a tough time figuring out what you were saying in your post.

I'll stick to what I understood about the veering making no difference. When someone is on your path, you can protect yourself. If WRs are now going to come at you by veering away from their route, you can't protect yourself. Belichick is looking at this as a coach. If you teach players to do this sort of thing, veering off at high speed in illegal pick plays, there will be injuries. It will hurt the game.