Great article about Lloyd

BSR said:

I'll feel a lot better once Brady starts seeing him as open on the playing field and not afterwards in the film room. This just tells me that there is still quite a ways to go.

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Still!!!!!!!????????? Oh crap we're running out of time,it's mini-camp already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The sky is falling! The end is nigh! REPENT! REPENT! DAMN YOU CURSED FATES!!!!!

BradyManny said:

I heard Felger make a dumb comment (shocker) that Brady doesn't like to throw to receivers who are covered.

WTF?

Did he watch the 2011-12 season. Brady threw more guys open the last couple seasons than at any point in his career. He is in such sync with Welker, Hernandez & Gronk that it doesn't matter if the DB is all over them, he will throw him open.

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Exactly. The whole issue is overblown, it's just a matter of learning tendencies.

Does Gronk look open at 0:54? Or is there a bit of a trust factor involved there?

2011 Rob Gronkowski Highlights - YouTube

Frankly I think Lloyd is a great challenge for Brady, he's never had a receiver with his skill set in his entire career (Moss was different). Can't wait to see what he does with him. If Kyle Orton can find him in crazy spots, I think Brady can.

Deus Irae said:

Of course it's great. Lloyd, as has been pointed out time and time again, isn't a guy who cracks open 5+ yards of separation the way Moss could. Lloyd's strength is getting the ball even when the coverage is pretty good. Brady already knows the 'tells' of his other receivers, as far as when it's a safe time to make the throw. He's learning those of Lloyd. It's much better that Brady is the one having to figure something out than if it were the receiver.

What wouldn't be great is if Brady was saying "He'll get the system. He just needs more time.", because being familiar with the system is the edge that Lloyd was supposed to (and apparently does) have in comparison to recent FA WRs.

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I totally agree. Or another way to think about it: it's only June, and already Brady and his brand-new WR are to the point of fine-tuning their awareness of one another. That's good stuff, ahead of what you'd expect from a new addition to the team.

PATRIOTSFANINPA said:

I really don't know what Lloyd we will see...i think he can be anything.

I expect about 500-600 yards but he is capable of more...he can also end up a dissapointment like Chad.

If you ask me who is the most intriguing player on this years team and the most interesting to watch...it's Lloyd.

The fact that Lloyd beat McCourty in the end zone for a TD in the practice was not that big to me.....everyone beat McCourty last season

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Ocho's undoing was that he couldn't learn the offense. Lloyd already pretty much knows it, by all accounts. There are reasons why he might still fail, but there's no reason at all to liken him to Chad.

If Brady recognizes that Lloyd is getting open, and he's doing it while being where he's supposed to be, then I don't know how anyone can see that as anything other than great news.

I think im gonna die until the season will start...cant wait.

I can't help but get the feeling that if we had traded for Lloyd last season, we'd be S.B champs.

Lloyd is going to turn out to be a great addition. He will be what we hoped Chad was gonna be last season.

BradyManny said:

I heard Felger make a dumb comment (shocker) that Brady doesn't like to throw to receivers who are covered.

WTF?

Did he watch the 2011-12 season. Brady threw more guys open the last couple seasons than at any point in his career. He is in such sync with Welker, Hernandez & Gronk that it doesn't matter if the DB is all over them, he will throw him open.

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Funny, Brady frequently threw to Moss when he was doubled and tripled covered and many times he threw the ball to him in such tight coverage that if he threw the same pass to virtually any other receiver, it was a sure pick.

Brady has no problem throwing to a receiver in tight coverage if he has confidence that receiver will almost definitely come down with the ball or at the very least break it for an INT. Brady threw to Moss/throws to Gronk in tight coverage because he knew they would come down with the ball.

If Brady has the confidence in Lloyd to break free at the last second, he will have no problem throwing to him in coverage. Just like Gronk, he has a big catch radius. Just like Moss, he will fight for the ball and win more often than not in jump balls with tight coverage.

PatriotDynasty_12 said:

I can't help but get the feeling that if we had traded for Lloyd last season, we'd be S.B champs.

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The Pats tried. They wanted Lloyd to do a new deal last year. Lloyd was hoping to cash in on the open market. I wonder if he would have had a better deal if he redid his contract last year and got traded to the Pats if he would have gotten more money than he got in his deal this offseason.

PATRIOTSFANINPA said:

I really don't know what Lloyd we will see...i think he can be anything.

I expect about 500-600 yards but he is capable of more...he can also end up a dissapointment like Chad.

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He is playing with Josh Mcdaniels...he will be perfectly fine. He is already better than Ocho was and it's only been OTAs....500-600 yards? He will have 800+ if he is injury free...why are your expectation so low and not sure what guy we will see? We already know what he can be like with Mcdaniels..and that was before he had TB throwing him the ball

BSR said:

He's getting open but only after Brady has moved onto his next target. It isn't great if Brady has to linger on him for too long. Hopefully they build the chemistry where Brady can recognize when he is or isn't open. Right now I wouldn't classify it as great, just hopeful.

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All Lloyd has to do is read the defense like Brady and be open at the designated spot. After watching film, I think Brady will trust Lloyd to be there and throw the ball in his direction. It may even take a game or seven before they gel.

One of the Pats announcers described the difference between Bledsoe and Brady way back. Bledsoe was a reactionary passer and Brady is an anticipatory passer. My money is Brady building confidence in Lloyd. Hopefully, he is the missing piece to the puzzle.

Deus Irae said:

He's getting open, and Brady is seeing it in film work. For a QB who's all about trust with his receivers, this is a great thing.

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This is the stuff that boners are made from

Rob0729 said:

The Pats tried. They wanted Lloyd to do a new deal last year. Lloyd was hoping to cash in on the open market. I wonder if he would have had a better deal if he redid his contract last year and got traded to the Pats if he would have gotten more money than he got in his deal this offseason.

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I thought it was because we had no late round picks?

This thread inspired me to find some B. Lloyd clips on youtube last night. Fast forward to about 5:15 in the video to see him going up and way over Weddle for a TD. Another good one is at 6:15 going up over a Texans defender on an under thrown ball.
I then went and discovered that he was a stand out on his track & field team in high school (who isn't that's in the NFL?). The one event that stuck out to me is that he high jumped 7'2" while in high school. To put that into perspective the world record for HS high jump is 7'7". Don't be too afraid to throw up the jump ball once in a while Mr. Brady!

Brandon Lloyd 'Spectacular' Highlights - YouTube

<I've had too much coffee this AM>

"It's just sometimes a matter of, it doesn't really look like he's open then -- boom -- he springs open on you," Brady explained. "Sometimes you think he's covered and you get off him and then you watch the film and you're like, 'How did he get open?' He knows what he's doing to set the guy up and he makes the move and you gotta trust that he's gonna beat the guy and he does. It's just a matter of, 'Don't let your eyes take away from what he's doing in his route' because you know he's gonna get open at some point."

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BSR said:

I'll feel a lot better once Brady starts seeing him as open on the playing field and not afterwards in the film room. This just tells me that there is still quite a ways to go.

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God it sucks being prescient.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...20-best-patriots-f-o-move-2012-thus-far.html

Gumby said:

06-13-2012, 07:55 AM
…….Lloyd. Yes, I really hope this proves me wrong and is actually a better deal than Gronk; but MY FEAR is....
Lloyd has more made his money (yds/TDs) by being the guy who can take the ball away from the defender [athleticism at the catch] and/or getting away as plays break down rather than getting immediate separation.

Brady (mostly) does not throw to a pre-determined point; he surveys the field and throws to the guy he sees is or believes will be open. Lloyd may very well be "OPEN" by Lloyd's definition - covered by a guy he can take the ball away from/keepthe ball from. But what does Brady see???

Brady may well see 'coverage' and go somewhere else. So while I am confident Lloyd will exceed 'Ocho' production; I am not so confident that he will dynamically change the offensive distribution. BUT I AM HOPEFUL THAT I WILL BE WRONG. (call it a concern versus fear if you will).

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Next week - stock market predictions.

Avenger said:

I thought it was because we had no late round picks?

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He got traded to the Rams for a sixth round pick last year. If that was the only thing stopping the Pats from acquiring him, they could have easily found equal or greater compensation for the Broncos. Not having a sixth round pick wasn't what stopped the Pats from trading for him.

It was that they didn't want to pick up a rent a player unless they were assured they would have him beyond last year.

Gumby said:

God it sucks being prescient.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...20-best-patriots-f-o-move-2012-thus-far.html

Next week - stock market predictions.

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No offense, but you might want to stick to the stock market. Your greatest fear about Lloyd is that he is a Randy Moss type of receiver and will fight for the ball in tight coverage? I can see why you would have such a concern because it did take so long for Moss and Brady to get on the same page.

Lloyd might not be as talented as Moss, but he plays a similar style of play. In fact, he is more versatile than Moss in his route running. Both guys are/were guys that you could huck the ball down the field and he would win the jump ball battles in tight coverage. How many times did we see Moss in 2007 blanketed by 2-3 defenders and catch a ball that would be a sure pick if thrown to another WR.

I hate to tell you this, but most deep ball passes 9and a lot of intermediate passes) are passes to a pre-determined point even for Brady. Any deep ball pass is going to take a second or two to get to the receiver and it is impossible for a QB to know exactly where he is going to be when the ball comes down. It is the receiver's job to make adjustments in his route while the ball is in the air. This occurs on almost every ball thrown over 20-30 yards to some extent or another unless the receiver is flat footed when he catches the ball (even then it still may be the case).

Gumby said:

God it sucks being prescient.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...20-best-patriots-f-o-move-2012-thus-far.html

Next week - stock market predictions.

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That's your version of prescience? Brady's been throwing to covered receivers for his entire career, I dunno why you suddenly think that it's a problem.

Gumby said:

God it sucks being prescient.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...20-best-patriots-f-o-move-2012-thus-far.html

Next week - stock market predictions.

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True story......

It almost always takes time for QBs and WRs to get completely in sync.

Deus Irae said:

True story......

It almost always takes time for QBs and WRs to get completely in sync.

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...which IMO was the single most UNDERreported story of the 2007 season.