Brady v. Brees: Two games to pass Marino

If Brady somehow ends up with this record, it will mean the Patriots have both the passing record and the rushing record. Passing in 2011 and Rushing in 1978.

upstater1 said:

More games undoubtedly accounts for much of the rise between 1967 to 1984. They went from a 14 game season to a 16 game season.

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That too. Thank you for that.

Either way I think if Brees hits 5450 while breaking it, he probably deserves it just as much as Marino did. For comparison's sake 139% over league average last year would have been about 5,244.

To recap:
Marino 139% over league average
Namath 136% over league average

I would argue the amount of pass heavy offenses in today's NFL would make it even harder for a quarterback to ever reach 139% over league average, so if there is a quarterback that does this, he needs to be commended.

5450 = about 341 yards per game. Brees averages 342. He's right there at it. But anything less than maintaining that or close to that for the next 2 games will probably come just short of Marino's accomplishment. If he does it against Atlanta and Carolina, he'll not only surpass the actual total, it but earn it fair and square based on percentage over league average in probably a slightly more competitive era.

Still won't get him another Super Bowl ring though. He still has to beat Brady to get that. And now that Tebow threw 4 picks in his last game Brady's more meaningful interception records are pretty safe too except for this one.

Rodgers 2011: 40 TD/ 6 interceptions(15%)
Brady 2007: 50 TD/8 interceptions(16%)

All Rodgers has to do is not throw an interception in his final two games. If he throws a pick he also needs to throw 4 passing TD's to top it. Rodgers has been on fire this year.

PatriotSeven said:

Rodgers 2011: 40 TD/ 6 interceptions(15%)
Brady 2007: 50 TD/8 interceptions(16%)

All Rodgers has to do is not throw an interception in his final two games. If he throws a pick he also needs to throw 4 passing TD's to top it. Rodgers has been on fire this year.

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Yeah, but no one will be looking at %s. It's the first number that counts, # of TDs.

PatsFanSince74 said:

I agree that trophies and rings are more important than individual stats/records, and I have said so often out here. But I do have to admit that I find it amusing when people dis a record like this one.

If the record is so "useless" and "insignificant," how come no one has exceeded it in the 33 seasons since the NFL went to a 16 game schedule in 1978? And before you tell me that the run was more important 25 years ago and it's been a pass happy league in recent times, I point out that Marino set the record 27 years ago.

Several have observed in this thread, "Oh, old so and so, who never accomplished squat, threw for 4,500 yards, etc." But the difference between a 4,500 or 4,600 yard season and a nearly 5,100 yard season is two or three games. That means Marino accomplished in 16 games what they would have needed 18 or 19 games to accomplish; I wouldn't want to tell Dan Marino to his face that that's pigeon ****.

So, yeah, it's not as important as winning the last game of the season (and I don't mean the Pro Bowl ), but it is a big deal.

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The reason it's meaningless is because compared to other records like interception % and td-to-interception ratios it has a lot less to do with winning and losing. Points matter more. Interceptions matter more. These two have a lot more to do with winning, winning seasons and winning Super Bowls than yards.

Brees is nowhere near these records. 37 TD's to 11 interceptions which is 29%. What this means is if he gets into a shoot out with Rodgers, he's about twice as likely to throw a pick than Rodgers and give GB a much better chance to win.

All I know is Brady can maintain that type of efficiency at a larger output. Aaron's 1% more efficient than Brady was in 2007 so far but his overall output is lower throwing 2.9 TD's per game versus Brady's 3.1 , so it's hard to say if he can maintain it while churning out enough passes to put up an additional 10 TD's in 2 games which is pretty unlikely anyway this year.

Both Brady and Brees are almost identical this year in terms of numbers. Aaron is just sickly efficient and deserves to be commended far more than Brees does for his yards. If Brady or Brees can take down Rodgers this year who is playing more efficiently than Brady himself did in 07 that would probably be close to the type of accomplishment Eli made when taking down Brady in the Super Bowl.

No pressure Tom.

Hey when was the last time Tom was the underdog in anything, let alone in a Super Bowl? His first? He may just enjoy this. I also know Brady can resume right back to playing that damn good after being completely shut down for an entire half.

Either way if Tom Brady and any of those 2 guys reach the Super Bowl it's going to be what Peyton Manning vs Tom Brady would have been. It's going to be tighter and more competitive and bigger than Elway vs Montana. This year has a chance at a classic in the making. All 3 of these guys have a chance at immortality if they face each other. Tom's at an advantage from an experience point of view, but he's at a disadvantage from the simple fact he's been studied compared to Aaron a lot closer. Defenses know him inside and out while Rodgers is still fairly new and Drees is just so well backed up by the Saint's offense and running game.

I hope Tom makes it, and I hope any of those 2 guys make it. They deserve it. And they likely won't make it without going through each other. Which will make it pretty definitive if you think about it. Saints vs Green Bay in the NFC and the winner gets to face the Patriots and Brady. I mean, it just doesn't get much more definitive and competitive. The only thing missing is Brady going through Peyton on his way, but he's done that plenty of times already.

Fun. Can't wait for the playoffs. This is the first time in a long time where the starting QB's in the Super Bowl also have a chance to be the best QB's in the league. Which means the winner will own that title, MVP be damned.

PatriotSeven said:

The reason it's meaningless is because compared to other records like interception % and td-to-interception ratios it has a lot less to do with winning and losing. Points matter more. Interceptions matter more. These two have a lot more to do with winning, winning seasons and winning Super Bowls than yards.

Brees is nowhere near these records. 37 TD's to 11 interceptions which is 29%. What this means is if he gets into a shoot out with Rodgers, he's about twice as likely to throw a pick than Rodgers and give GB a much better chance to win.

All I know is Brady can maintain that type of efficiency at a larger output. Aaron's 1% more efficient than Brady was in 2007 so far but his overall output is lower throwing 2.9 TD's per game versus Brady's 3.1 , so it's hard to say if he can maintain it while churning out enough passes to put up an additional 10 TD's in 2 games which is pretty unlikely anyway this year.

Both Brady and Brees are almost identical this year in terms of numbers. Aaron is just sickly efficient and deserves to be commended far more than Brees does for his yards. If Brady or Brees can take down Rodgers this year who is playing more efficiently than Brady himself did in 07 that would probably be close to the type of accomplishment Eli made when taking down Brady in the Super Bowl.

No pressure Tom.

Hey when was the last time Tom was the underdog in anything, let alone in a Super Bowl? His first? He may just enjoy this. I also know Brady can resume right back to playing that damn good after being completely shut down for an entire half.

Either way if Tom Brady and any of those 2 guys reach the Super Bowl it's going to be what Peyton Manning vs Tom Brady would have been. It's going to be tighter and more competitive and bigger than Elway vs Montana. This year has a chance at a classic in the making. All 3 of these guys have a chance at immortality if they face each other. Tom's at an advantage from an experience point of view, but he's at a disadvantage from the simple fact he's been studied compared to Aaron a lot closer. Defenses know him inside and out while Rodgers is still fairly new and Drees is just so well backed up by the Saint's offense and running game.

I hope Tom makes it, and I hope any of those 2 guys make it. They deserve it. And they likely won't make it without going through each other. Which will make it pretty definitive if you think about it. Saints vs Green Bay in the NFC and the winner gets to face the Patriots and Brady. I mean, it just doesn't get much more definitive and competitive. The only thing missing is Brady going through Peyton on his way, but he's done that plenty of times already.

Fun. Can't wait for the playoffs. This is the first time in a long time where the starting QB's in the Super Bowl also have a chance to be the best QB's in the league. Which means the winner will own that title, MVP be damned.

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I couldn't agree with you more. I think Brady is the AFC'S only hope of winning the Lombardi trophy this year. Ben isn't himself & Flacco is a joke. Is it me or has Brady become very mobile now. A NE vs GB or N.O. SB won't be for the faint of heart.

Brees will get it simply because he throws the ball a lot more than both Brady and Rodgers. It's that simple, really. By the way, Brees is a great QB, but throwing the football a million times and playing more than half his games in a dome every year certainly helps him an overwhelming amount in the stats department. This is a guy who threw for more than 5,000 yards while averaging less than 7 yards per pass attempt.

I have seen many clips/highlights of marino (was too young to watch him), and he was a FANTASTIC QB.

One of the best releases i have ever seen. It is a pity he does not have a ring.

IMO, if he had BB as a coach, he probably would have 1-2 rings now, maybe more

tests said:

I have seen many clips/highlights of marino (was too young to watch him), and he was a FANTASTIC QB.

One of the best releases i have ever seen. It is a pity he does not have a ring.

IMO, if he had BB as a coach, he probably would have 1-2 rings now, maybe more

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Uhm... he played for arguably one of the top 3 or so HCs of all time in Shula. I don't think coaching is what prevented Marino from winning a championship.

Patriots Seven gets rookie of the year. A lot of good work went into this thread. Thanks.

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tests said:

I have seen many clips/highlights of marino (was too young to watch him), and he was a FANTASTIC QB.

One of the best releases i have ever seen. It is a pity he does not have a ring.

IMO, if he had BB as a coach, he probably would have 1-2 rings now, maybe more

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I think Marino is one of the best ever. What you won't see in his clips, however, is that he was the most immobile QB of the last 30 years. Bledsoe was a thoroughbred by comparison. That being said, Marino and Brady are the two best QBs at commanding the pocket.

The problem with the Dolphins back then is that they never established a running game. They were all pass. Marino was a hothead that blew up whenever things went wrong in games, and he threw crucial interceptions. The defense was pretty good in the 80s, not bad at all. They went by the nickname Killer Bs.

PatriotSeven said:

The reason it's meaningless is because compared to other records like interception % and td-to-interception ratios it has a lot less to do with winning and losing. Points matter more. Interceptions matter more. These two have a lot more to do with winning, winning seasons and winning Super Bowls than yards.

Brees is nowhere near these records. 37 TD's to 11 interceptions which is 29%. What this means is if he gets into a shoot out with Rodgers, he's about twice as likely to throw a pick than Rodgers and give GB a much better chance to win.

All I know is Brady can maintain that type of efficiency at a larger output. Aaron's 1% more efficient than Brady was in 2007 so far but his overall output is lower throwing 2.9 TD's per game versus Brady's 3.1 , so it's hard to say if he can maintain it while churning out enough passes to put up an additional 10 TD's in 2 games which is pretty unlikely anyway this year.

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Those stats and three bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks and no one respects stats more than I do.

The yardage record is one that folks value.

As I said in my OP, trophies and rings are far more important, but, all other things being equal, this record means something. I'll stand by my post.

Thanks, though, for the polite tone in your disagreement.

Respect to you and go Pats, all the way to Indy and the podium, with or without the single season yardage record.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Those stats and three bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks and no one respects stats more than I do.

The yardage record is one that folks value.

As I said in my OP, trophies and rings are far more important, but, all other things being equal, this record means something. I'll stand by my post.

Thanks, though, for the polite tone in your disagreement.

Respect to you and go Pats, all the way to Indy and the podium, with or without the single season yardage record.

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People may value that one, but it doesn't mean people are right and that's the most valuable. That's actually my point.

Reason Brady's an amazing quarterback and has 3 rings has a lot more to do with that stat, his td-to-interception % than this one that people care about.

People are getting smarter though and hopefully 5 years from today we'll all be talking about what really matters. As it stands though the yards category and any stat that goes along with it, is the most meaningless one of them all.

Yards will get you on TV. Completion % will get you noticed. Points will get you credit. Interception % will get you to a Superbowl. And touchdown to interception % will win you a ring. Or even better TD to turnover %(fumbles are just as bad). TD to ints % will also get you a Dynasty

Tom Brady would probably still keep all his Starbucks records than trade them for all the other ones.

PatriotSeven said:

Rodgers 2011: 40 TD/ 6 interceptions(15%)
Brady 2007: 50 TD/8 interceptions(16%)

All Rodgers has to do is not throw an interception in his final two games. If he throws a pick he also needs to throw 4 passing TD's to top it. Rodgers has been on fire this year.

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How about 5 td, 0 int last night? Puts him at 45 td, 6 int. Holy smokes.

ivanvamp said:

How about 5 td, 0 int last night? Puts him at 45 td, 6 int. Holy smokes.

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Like I said. The guy is scary good. He's going for Brady's biggest record and the most important one he set in 2007. He owns it as of right now.

I know Brady's taking notice. And as I stated earlier if these two face off in the Super Bowl, watch out. But knowing Brady, he's the type of guy that wants to face Rodgers in a Super Bowl. He wants it. He doesn't shy away form tough competitors. He wants to go up against them and measures himself and beat them.

If these two make it to this Super Bowl and Brady and the Pats can figure out how to take down this guy and this team....then Brady can safely retire as the greatest QB in the history of the NFL. And if not that, well it would certainly make up for all the hurt that 2008 Super Bowl caused. Brady will be an underdog to Rodgers this year. And I hope the Brady Bunch pulls through man. It would be the equivalent of Eli's Giants taking down Brady and the Pats in 2008 and this would totally make up for it. A complete redemption considering Rodgers is playing the best I have ever seen and Tom's had better seasons.

Career statement game. Let's make it happen NFL. We know you did it for Peyton

Unless Brees get's injured tonight or he turns into Ryan Leaf, he should pass Marino's record tonight.

I think the Falcons will try and make a statement. Even if Brees doesn't break it tonight he'll break it next week.
If Suh stays in the game, I can't see Rodgers pulling a 5TD 0 INT game. I think Brady's record is safe.

LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady said:

I think the Falcons will try and make a statement. Even if Brees doesn't break it tonight he'll break it next week.
If Suh stays in the game, I can't see Rodgers pulling a 5TD 0 INT game. I think Brady's record is safe.

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If McCarthy plays Rodgers more than a few snaps against a team as dirty as the Lions he should be fired on the spot. The Packers aren't playing for absolutely anything on sunday.

LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady said:

I think the Falcons will try and make a statement. Even if Brees doesn't break it tonight he'll break it next week.
If Suh stays in the game, I can't see Rodgers pulling a 5TD 0 INT game. I think Brady's record is safe.

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He's total TD might be but his TD -to-Interceptions from 2007, his efficiency record...it's gone now.

50/8 = 6.25
45/6 = 7.5

Unless he throws 2 interceptions next game, he just smoked it. Even if he doesn't throw a touchdwon but throws 1 interception he's going to own it.

45/7 = 6.42

I swear I think Green Bay is no longer public and really got bought out by the Japanese. They took the Pats and Tom, broke it all down, performed reverse engineering, and now are basically way ahead of the game.

We gotta stop them. Aaron's got his entire career to rack up rings. Can't let him start off this hot with back to back Super Bowls.

PatriotSeven said:

He's total TD might be but his TD -to-Interceptions from 2007, his efficiency record...it's gone now.

50/8 = 6.25
45/6 = 7.5

Unless he throws 2 interceptions next game, he just smoked it. Even if he doesn't throw a touchdwon but throws 1 interception he's going to own it.

45/7 = 6.42

I swear I think Green Bay is no longer public and really got bought out by the Japanese. They took the Pats and Tom, broke it all down, performed reverse engineering, and now are basically way ahead of the game.

We gotta stop them. Aaron's got his entire career to rack up rings. Can't let him start off this hot with back to back Super Bowls.

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Ahm.. Brady threw 36 TDs to 4 INTs last season, that's a 9 to 1 ratio. That is the record, not the 50 to 8 he posted in 2007. For Rodgers to get over 9 to 1 he'd have to throw 10 TDs on sunday, so I guess Brady will still hold the efficiency record after this season.