Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005 [merged]

[Pujo]

Re: Ross tucker on players practicing on IR

So wait, I know this isn't crimial court but aren't there ex post facto protections. I mean, an NFL rep didn't actually catch the Pats practicing a PUP player.

Even if this were a criminal court, that's not what ex post facto means

Ex post facto means that someone can't be punished for doing something before it became illegal. If means a new law can't be applied retroactively. While constitutional ex post facto protection obviously doesn't apply (it only applies to criminal trials, like you said), I'd bet the league has similar langauge in its constitution or bylaws.

 

[Joker]

Re: Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005

for ex post whacko...see any post by Jan Jett

 

[bradmahn]

Re: Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005

To this day I do not know how our coaches knew that Zimmer's gesture indicated a strongside dog by the Sam and Mike linebackers. My guess is that the signal had been decoded by an advance scout who had attended a prior game, or perhaps another member of the coaching staff had previously worked with the other team's defensive coordinator.

I don't care if they did or not, but do the Cowboys get the benefit of the doubt with regards to taping because Tucker was a part of the signal stealing process?

"Why would you risk so much for something so minimal?"
Isn't the answer to this question obvious if you abandon your predisposed notions that Belichick knew what he was doing was cheating?

He didn't think there was a risk because he thought it was legal!

(That's a great point on the risk/reward question, Return of the Nizz.)

 

[bradmahn]

Re: Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005

While this infraction of the rules is very minor and one the Commissioner has already said he knows about and will not take further action against the Patrtiots, it does show a very disturbing pattern in Belichick. If you are the NFL commissioner, or another owner how can you trust anything Belichick says? He has shown a complete disregard for the rules, what ever they might be. I wonder if this character flaw was the reason Parcells would not recommend Belichick as his replacement for head coach of the Jets. The Patriots are beginning to resemble one of those out-of-control college football programs that gets caught by the NCAA for multiple infractions.

Your agenda isn't afraid of ignoring the facts, is it?

 

[pao]

Re: Ross tucker on players practicing on IR

Do you really believe that he was the ONLY player in the NFL on IR to have practiced?? Get a grip...

It's the only one where an actual eyewitness reports it. And if another team is guilty of it and it is proven then they should be penalised versus it's ok for BB to do it because, even though expressly against the rules, "someone else in the NFL is doing it too".This thing where just because other teams MIGHT be doing something makes it ok for all teams to do it, especially as an excuse when your team is caught, is utter nonsense.

sdfan

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005

I wonder if this character flaw was the reason Parcells would not recommend Belichick as his replacement for head coach of the Jets.

And yet the JEST felt highly enough about BB to basically force him to become their HC when Parcells retired. . . .

Ms. Brady, meet the Ignore List. Ignore List, meet Ms. Brady.

 

[Pats726]

Re: Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005

While this infraction of the rules is very minor and one the Commissioner has already said he knows about and will not take further action against the Patrtiots, it does show a very disturbing pattern in Belichick. If you are the NFL commissioner, or another owner how can you trust anything Belichick says? He has shown a complete disregard for the rules, what ever they might be. I wonder if this character flaw was the reason Parcells would not recommend Belichick as his replacement for head coach of the Jets. The Patriots are beginning to resemble one of those out-of-control college football programs that gets caught by the NCAA for multiple infractions.

Get a gruo...why don't you research and find out how many violations of that rule have been made in the last 7 years by ALL the teams...so that way you will have better idea of what is going on..When you have some data to back up what you say, come back and talk...otherwise you are just talking out of your backside..

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

Re: Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005

IR players saw some reps?!!
OK, that does it.
BB=Charlie Manson

Also, owing up to my part for having often posted in the past (perhaps even here) that developmental JAGs should be stashed away on IR or PUP following a mysterious injury, I'm willing to do three years of hard labor in Burma.

 

[Pats726]

Re: Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005

IR players saw some reps?!!
OK, that does it.
BB=Charlie Manson

Also, owing up to my part for having often posted in the past (perhaps even here) that developmental JAGs should be stashed away on IR or PUP following a mysterious injury, I'm willing to do three years of hard labor in Burma.

NO an IR player stepped on the practice field...didn't you KNOW for that offense, BB should be suspended for a year??

 

[Kdo5]

Re: Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005

Who the hell is Ross Tucker? I have never even heard of the guy nor seen him in a Pats uniform before.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Ross tucker on players practicing on IR

Let's not go there; in any case, Goodell has said it would normally result in a fine, and he's counting it as part of the $750K that's already been forfeited.

Can it be deducted twice on the Patriot's tax return ...

 

[Joker]

Re: Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005

I just LOVE these self important blowhards like Jetdell levying "fines" that are more than I make in ten years. So, I'm switching careers. From now on you can call me Judge Joker. My first case I fine Roger Jetdell $750 MILLION dollars for pi$$ing me off.

NEXT CASE!

 

[Pats726]

Re: Ross tucker on players practicing on IR

It's the only one where an actual eyewitness reports it. And if another team is guilty of it and it is proven then they should be penalised versus it's ok for BB to do it because, even though expressly against the rules, "someone else in the NFL is doing it too".This thing where just because other teams MIGHT be doing something makes it ok for all teams to do it, especially as an excuse when your team is caught, is utter nonsense.

sdfan

I think you must go back and find out over the last 6-7 years how many of these IR violations occured in the league..WITH ALL teams...Were the Pats the ONLY team to have violated that rule? If that is, then you may have a point...but until you have the whole story..and the context of the whole situation..you are just pissing in the wind. you have NOTHING!!! My friend, I doubt ANY OTHER team could withstand the spotlight that this team has been under..
By the way where did I say it was right..OR OK??? Sorry..I forgot you are a dolt fan...

 

[PromisedLand]

Re: Ross tucker on players practicing on IR

So wait, I know this isn't crimial court but aren't there ex post facto protections. I mean, an NFL rep didn't actually catch the Pats practicing a PUP player.

Doesn't ex posto facto refer to the constitutional protection against being punished for an act which wasn't illegal at the time it was committed, but was later made a crime? I don't see how that applies here. Statute of limitations would be more appropriate...

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Ross tucker on players practicing on IR

Are you saying that the commish admits the fine was way way too excessive and so anything bad that the Patriots have done is already taken care of by the outrageously excessive fine?

None of us can know the "reasoning" behind Goodell's fine. All we can go by is what he said. And what he said was an IR violation typically resulted in a fine and that if, in fact, that violation in 2001 turned out to be true, then he felt that the Patriots had already been fined for past transgressions and no new fine would be issued.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Ross Tucker: Pats player on IR practiced in 2005

Who the hell is Ross Tucker? I have never even heard of the guy nor seen him in a Pats uniform before.

Tucker was on the Pats during the end of the 2005/2006 season and was traded to the Browns prior to the start of the 2006/2007 season.Played in 2 games for the Pats. Miami on 1/1 and Denver on 1/14.

 

[primetime]

Re: Ross tucker on players practicing on IR

I'm been impressed with all the Tucker pieces for SI. Not at all what you'd expect from an ex-jock. Some pretty good analysis, although not so much in this particular one.

He went to Princeton. I doubt he's your average ex-jock in the brains department.

 

[pao]

Re: Ross tucker on players practicing on IR

I think you must go back and find out over the last 6-7 years how many of these IR violations occured in the league..WITH ALL teams...Were the Pats the ONLY team to have violated that rule? If that is, then you may have a point...

Missing the point, my friend. It DOESN'T MATTER if there were IR violations in the past that went undetected or unreported to the league. The Patriots violation was detected AND reported. Punishment followed, as most objective people would expect.

...but until you have the whole story..and the context of the whole situation..you are just pissing in the wind. you have NOTHING!!!

Again, you just don't get it. It doesn't matter what the context is relative to this incident. The Patriots did it, were caught and punished. Every team doing it and caught should be punished. It DOESN'T MATTER if other teams MIGHT be doing it and getting away with it.

My friend, I doubt ANY OTHER team could withstand the spotlight that this team has been under..

I absolutely agree with you. But there is a reason this team is under the spotlight and it is BB's inability to interpret the rules correctly.

By the way where did I say it was right..OR OK???

You as much as said it when you said "Do you really believe that he was the ONLY player in the NFL on IR to have practiced?? Get a grip...". You imply that since you believe that he wasn't the only player in the NFL to practice while on IR the Patriots shouldn't be punished for doing it. Maybe I misinterpreted your meaning. Tell me what you meant there.

Sorry..I forgot you are a dolt fan...

Oooh, got me there. You've scared me right off this board I guess.

sdfan

 

[NE39]

Re: Ross tucker on players practicing on IR

The Patriots deserve to have a first-round draft pick stripped for next year because this violation is as serious as taping. That is, if the NFL wants to be consistent.

Break out the thumbscrews!

 

[Pats726]

Re: Ross tucker on players practicing on IR

Missing the point, my friend. It DOESN'T MATTER if there were IR violations in the past that went undetected or unreported to the league. The Patriots violation was detected AND reported. Punishment followed, as most objective people would expect.
Again, you just don't get it. It doesn't matter what the context is relative to this incident. The Patriots did it, were caught and punished. Every team doing it and caught should be punished. It DOESN'T MATTER if other teams MIGHT be doing it and getting away with it.
I absolutely agree with you. But there is a reason this team is under the spotlight and it is BB's inability to interpret the rules correctly.
You as much as said it when you said "Do you really believe that he was the ONLY player in the NFL on IR to have practiced?? Get a grip...". You imply that since you believe that he wasn't the only player in the NFL to practice while on IR the Patriots shouldn't be punished for doing it. Maybe I misinterpreted your meaning. Tell me what you meant there.
Oooh, got me there. You've scared me right off this board I guess.

sdfan

Hey pal..where did I ever say that what they did was OK or that punsihment should NOT follow?? Still waiting.. second time I have asked that question...and I don't expect you will find that...LEARN to read..It's a GOOD THING!! AGAIN...I did not imply that it was OK or that they should NOT be punished...MORE like what you wished me to say and did not...Logic helps a great deal to have.. as is reading...
If the IR violation was one of say 50 over the past years, I think that would speak for itself....