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[DaBruinz]

I completely dissagree, taking McFadden would have more of an impact over reaching for a CB or LB high. You get a stud and could find CBs and LBs later on to fill need. The impact of a stud player on a team can be great, look at Moss, Peterson, heck even Tom Brady. Theres alot of good football players in this draft that can help our team, and we have three other first day picks to take them. There are very few stud impact players in this draft. I believe McFadden is one of them, im not sold on Gholston yet i need to see more. And i dont see any stud CBs with the exception of possibly Cromartie but we need to see more as well.

You can disagree all you want, Briz. It just shows your own stupidity. McFadden is NOT the stud you claim him to be. The sooner you get that through your thick skull the better. Your a JOKE to be comparing McFadden to the likes of Peterson, and even Moss and Brady.

No one gives a rat's arse on what you are sold on and what you aren't. You've shown that you can't have a legitimate conversation about the pick because you insist on considering no one else other than McFadden.

While YOU don't see any "stud" CBs, the Patriots don't need a "STUD" cornerback. They need one that will produce in the system. And trading down for that CB and adding another pick this year to help shore up the team is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than taking a guy for a position that the Patriots are pretty much SET at.

 

[DaBruinz]

it would be foolish to pass on a stud impact player. So you would take a CB at #7 over Chris Long if he were there at our pick? Or Jake Long?

Again, you continue to show your ignorance. MOST people are for trading down from the #7 pick. And McFadden isn't a stud. No matter what you say.

 

[BRiZ]

Again, you continue to show your ignorance. MOST people are for trading down from the #7 pick. And McFadden isn't a stud. No matter what you say.

yes he is.

 

[DaBruinz]

Hey, would have posted this on a new post but alas not allowed quite yet(3 posts to go,lol). Here is my take on it.....
ATL takes DMF at 3, and Ryan falls to us at 7. ATL then trades us their 08 2, 09 1 and J.Norwood. Norwood is a great 3rd down back, we can get both a cb and a OL in the 2nd round and have a 2nd #1 next year for trading up to get Rey Maleuglua(sp)!! That solves the trade back scenario, money scenarion, makes ATL new GM look like a genius getting both Ryan and DMF, and we have just as many picks but in the more cost effective section of the draft! DMF wont fall past 5-6, but Ryan might. I am going over to the ATL people and seeing what they think.....

That is a horrendous trade and definitely NOT worth the 7th overall pick in the draft. Not to mention the Pats don't NEED Norwood and why would the Falcons trade a good young player they like and want as their 3rd down back?

 

[DaBruinz]

not surprising Mayock went with 4.3 since hes been bashing him and dropped him down in his rankings so far, looks like a tool. His first run was 4.27. He had Manningham as his best WR and he ran a 4.6 or something lol.

4.33 is the OFFICIAL time. Not the 4.27. Sorry to burst your bubble, Briz. YOU were the only person I've heard mention the 4.27. Everyplace else is say 4.33

 

[DaBruinz]

In other words you would.

You're a neanderthal.

And your an absolute moron, Briz. ATippett has more sense in his right picky about the Patriots draft than you've shown over the Past 5 years.

 

[BRiZ]

You can disagree all you want, Briz. It just shows your own stupidity. McFadden is NOT the stud you claim him to be. The sooner you get that through your thick skull the better. Your a JOKE to be comparing McFadden to the likes of Peterson, and even Moss and Brady.

No one gives a rat's arse on what you are sold on and what you aren't. You've shown that you can't have a legitimate conversation about the pick because you insist on considering no one else other than McFadden.

While YOU don't see any "stud" CBs, the Patriots don't need a "STUD" cornerback. They need one that will produce in the system. And trading down for that CB and adding another pick this year to help shore up the team is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than taking a guy for a position that the Patriots are pretty much SET at.

they can get good players in rounds 2-3. They cannot get stud impact players there unless they find a gem. We are in position for the first time since we drafted Richard Seymour to get a stud probowl impact player and i dont want to waste it on flippin NEED. If there is a stud there YOU TAKE THEM, as long as its not a QB or interior Dlineman. Period.

 

[BRiZ]

And your an absolute moron, Briz. ATippett has more sense in his right picky about the Patriots draft than you've shown over the Past 5 years.

uh huh. And you do to. <rolls eyes>

 

[BRiZ]

4.33 is the OFFICIAL time. Not the 4.27. Sorry to burst your bubble, Briz. YOU were the only person I've heard mention the 4.27. Everyplace else is say 4.33

his first run was 4.27. His second run was 4.33. Sorry that your enemy McFadden tore it up, must be chewing at you huh?

 

[ATippett56]

their top two needs are RB and a OLB for the 3-4. They could use both McFadden and Gholston. Like i said i could see Mangini screwing BB over and not wanting to strengthen the Pats D.

The Jets only have one good offensive lineman (Nick Mangold) while their defensive line is overrated as evident by their rush defense.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst..._YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

Who is the Jets cornerback opposite Revis?

http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkjets/depthchart?team=NYJ

Hank Poteat .... you have to be kidding me.

 

[sebman2112]

Did you actually see him play considerable snaps at OLB or did you just talk about it? And in what situations? Passing? 3rd down?

You're getting too focused on stats = production - it's not as meaningful in the Pats system, ILBs aren't shooting gaps and running down backs. His stats might've gone up at OLB, but his impact at ILB is more important b/c he's good in coverage and big enough to take on the guards in the rushing game. He wasn't setting the edge against the run at OLB, and that's why our rushing defense suffered in the weeks after Colvin went down.

Again, I think he was playing quite well at ILB until his ankle injury, and that's where he'll be to start 2008.

Yea, it doesn't seem Briz realizes the Patriots used AD as a coverage ILB in a number of games, and while his stats weren't significant in some of those games, his impact was noticed by those paying attention. The Redskins game was a prime example, as his man (mainly a TE or RB) hardly ever got open, and the Redskins rarely threw in his direction. Also, AD had some games at ILB where he posted 6,7, and 9 tackles, so he showed up on the stat sheet. He only had a single game where he posted 1 tackle, so that "multiple games" BS is just that... Also, it seems AD's playing through injuries has been forgotten by some posters.

AD did move out to OLB before Colvin went on the IR, but if anyone remembers, Colvin got injured a few games earlier and BB was trying to keep from playing him full time, and rushing him back. So, AD wasn't moved to OLB because of his lack of production at ILB.

I do think AD is a better OLB than ILB, and I'd actually like to see OLB as his main role (with his playing some ILB too). But, he's currently the Patriots best option at ILB, so they'd need a major upgrade at ILB in order for AD to move to OLB full time.

 

[DaBruinz]

Thomas was moved outside before Colvins injury because he was playing poorly inside, he was making no impact.

This is absolutely FALSE. Thomas didn't move to OLB until AFTER Colvin went down. Nice of you to actually have your facts straight, Briz.

Then Colvin went down and he took over permanently. Thomas isnt going to be playing inside unless he has to he is way better outside. Go back as see how many SOLO tackles Adalius made inside early in the year and compare them with legitamit inside linebackers like Urlacher and such. Urlacher and other good inside backers usually get around 10 solo tackles a game, Adalius was barely getting 2.

Thomas was brought in to be an ILB. The Fact that you mention URLACHER as an ILB (he's not, he's a MLB) just reinforces for everyone how ignorant you are. ILB and MLB are NOT the same position and its unfair to compare the tackles from one to the other. Thomas was averaging 4.67 tackles per game, but that includes 3 games where he was playing very sparingly.

Just for reference, Bruschi averaged just over 6 tackles per game at ILB. Seau averaged 4.5. Steven Cooper and Matt Wilhelm averaged about 6 per game at ILB. James Harrison and James Farrior were also about 6 per game. So, I don't see where Thomas averaging 4.67 tackles per game on an extremely good defense that didn't play as many downs as the Chicago Bears did is such a bad thing.

Next time, try comparing apples to apples instead of apples to grapefruit. You'll look much more intelligent.

How many more years will Faulk and Morris play? They are both over 30 and RBs run out of steam faster than any position in the NFL. We are gunna need another OLB soon, we are gunna also need another RB soon. For you to say its ok to draft a LB and not a RB is dumb. Pats usually bring in vet LBs in free agency anyways when is the last time they drafted a LB early?

I fully expect the Pats to let Faulk play out his contract or until he decides to hang them up. STARTING running backs start to run out of steam over 30 because of the amount of wear and tear on them. Morris is actually a good back-up rb. Someone who can handle the load if the starter goes down. Faulk is still an amazing 3rd down back.

Running backs are much easier to find than LBs who can play in the 3-4 system. So, to say its ok to draft a LB and not a RB is NOT dumb. Its actually SMART. Something that you aren't and continue to prove. BTW, while the Pats USUALLY go for LBs in free agency, there really aren't any this year outside of Seau and Bruschi.

 

[BRiZ]

McFadden doesn't draw near the attention that Moss does and you damn well know it.

I do really? McFadden draws enough attention and you know it.

Please continue to show how friggin ignorant you are. Morris is more of a powerback than McFadden is. McFadden isn't anything more special than Maroney. That's your problem. Hell, McFadden will be lucky to be this year's Reggie Bush.

And, while they don't have to be powerbacks, moron, You need to have differences between your backs. It keeps the defense off balance.

Please, Morris runs hard be he is hardly a powerback, dont be a neanderthal. McFadden is better than Maroney, he is better than Peterson. Peterson is gunna last maybe two years in the NFL with the way he runs.

Moron this moron that you are funny DB, always have been. Thats why i like you.

God, you truly are ignorant. The moment you put McFadden on the field, Maroney is WASTING on the bench. Maroney wasn't seeing the bench nearly as much near the end of the season, idiot. Not to mention that the game plans were different for the last games than they were for the games against Philly, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore

You don't see anything changing because your myopic and can't see beyond your nose. Faulk may be "getting old" but he still put up over 4 YPC (4.3 to be exact) on the run and still picked up 47 receptions.

Like the moment we put Faulk on the field or Morris? Is Maroney over on the bench melting or something? Hes so good he need to be in the game on every down for every play? LOL

You need two good backs in this league, the pats have always split the workload. Faulk is getting long in the tooth he will be 32 well before the season starts this year and Morris is nothing special. You dont want to draft McFadden because you dont want Maroney off the field? That is a joke.

And this is why you you are ignorant. It doesn't come down to BPA. The Pats have NEVER drafted BPA nor are they going to start just because YOU think they will take an over-rated McFadden who has issues picking up the blitz and holding onto the ball. Not to mention hitting the holes when he's supposed to.

Not on the lower rounds when the talent is more even level but higher in the round it does. You dont pass on a stud for need, omg we need a CB lets take Cason at 7 when Chris Long, Jake Long, and McFadden are on the board! YAAYYYYYY!!!!

As for Rey Maualuga, would you please stop. There is NO guarantee that the Patriots would be looking at HIM either.

I bet you one of BB's testicles exploded when Maualuga said he wasnt coming out.

Also, since you are so damn ignorant, there is a great likelihood of the Patriots trading down and picking up another player. Another player, added in with a CB, will have significantly more value than the over-rated McFadden.

I have no problem trading down as long as there are no studs on the board. I gaurantee you the pats would not trade down if Chris Long, Jake Long, or McFadden were on the board unless they get a rediculous offer from someone to trade up wanted one of those guys.


Sorry Briz, you continue to show you AREN'T good at evaluating prospects and that you don't understand JACK about the Patriots and how they draft. So, Please keep your spewings to yourself about McFadden already and just deal with the REALITY that the Patriots won't be drafting him.

HA! I predicted Meriweather pick last year, and wanted Antonio Cromartie and Devin Hester the year before. Yea i dont know nuffin.

Yes, you DO go on hype. And McFadden is proof positive of that. He DID NOT make the other players around him better. He doesn't have ELITE competitiveness, and would NOT improve the Patriots offense worth a damn. You don't take him because he's the best player available, because he wouldn't necessarily be the best player available.

Your wrong he has all of what i said. But i like when you yell.

BTW, There isn't squat available for CBs and LBs in free agency beyond Bruschi and Seau that would work well in the Pats system except maybe Victor Hobson. So, that kind of shoots down that dumb theory of yours. Like I said, you don't look at the big picture. You look at your myopic view.

Dan Morgan? There are good CBs (not "studs") availible for CB and LB certainly in rounds 2-3.

 

[BRiZ]

Yea, it doesn't seem Briz realizes the Patriots used AD as a coverage ILB in a number of games, and while his stats weren't significant in some of those games, his impact was noticed by those paying attention. The Redskins game was a prime example, as his man (mainly a TE or RB) hardly ever got open, and the Redskins rarely threw in his direction. Also, AD had some games at ILB where he posted 6,7, and 9 tackles, so he showed up on the stat sheet. He only had a single game where he posted 1 tackle, so that "multiple games" BS is just that... Also, it seems AD's playing through injuries has been forgotten by some posters.

AD did move out to OLB before Colvin went on the IR, but if anyone remembers, Colvin got injured a few games earlier and BB was trying to keep from playing him full time, and rushing him back. So, AD wasn't moved to OLB because of his lack of production at ILB.

I do think AD is a better OLB than ILB, and I'd actually like to see OLB as his main role (with his playing some ILB too). But, he's currently the Patriots best option at ILB, so they'd need a major upgrade at ILB in order for AD to move to OLB full time.

he had multiple games were he posted just one SOLO tackle. Theres a difference between solo tackles and assisted tackles. That was one of ADs major flaws inside he always got to plays late assisting tackles never making any on his own like say Patrick Willis.

 

[DaBruinz]

He had one impact game that was against the chargers. ONE. The rest he dissapeared and made no impact. Like i said go look at how many SOLO tackles he made and compare them with legit inside linebackers who lead the league in tackles. Thomas simply doesnt have the agility or change of direction to play inside and run and get to RBs fast enough. Hes got great straight line speed but you need more quickness, agility, and change of direction to play inside. He wont be playing inside next year. He also played insane in the superbowl that is the Thomas we were expecting to get, and that was on the outside.

You clearly didn't watch the games.

You want to compare SOLO tackles for the games that Thomas was inside? FINE. Lets do it.

Patriots - faced 886 defensive plays
Chargers - faced 971 defensive plays
Jets - faced 986 defensive plays
49ers - faced 1046 defensive plays
Steelers - faced 899 defensive plays
Cowboys - faced 962 defensive plays

Thomas - 12 games inside - 40 SOLO tackles - 3.33 tackles per game (TPG)
James Farrior - 66 solo tackles - 16 games - 4.125 TPG
Steven Cooper - 73 Solo Tackler - 4.5625 TPG
Tedy Bruschi - 64 solo tackles - 4 TPG
Larry Foote - 43 SOLO tackles - 16 games - 2.69 tpg
Matt Wilhelm - 74 Solo tackles - 16 games - 4.625 TPG
Junior Seau - 57 solo tackles - 16 games - 3.56 TPG
David Harris - 90 solo tackles - 5.625 TPG
Jonathan Vilma - 32 solo - 7 games - 4.57 TPG
Patrick Willis - 135 Solo Tackles - 8.44 TPG (note that the 49ers played both the 3-4 and 4-3 with Willis staying on the field)
Derek Smith - 52 solo tackles - 16 games - 3.47 TPG

Looking at this, I find that Thomas totals are not out of line at all with other 3-4 ILBS. I also find it amusing that his tackle numbers are right in line with some of the other players whose teams had 80-200 more snaps than the Pats did.

I find it HILARIOUS that you claim that Thomas doesn't have the AGILITY to play inside when that is one of his biggest strengths as a player. Its why he was able to play so many different positions for the Ravens before the Pats signed him. Briz, you evaluation of Thomas is so pathetically off its amazing. The only thing you got RIGHT was that he was good during the SB. You don't give the guy ANY credit for having to learn a new defense AND a new position. You just sh!t on him to try and prove your point. It only proves your ignorance.

 

[DaBruinz]

doesnt have to be round one, there are no round one ilb worth taking that high. We could draft a ILB in rounds 2-3 and bring in some free agents like we already tried with Zach Thomas or Dan Morgan. The pats are not going to draft on need, they are going to draft a good football player.

The Patriots draft on VALUE. And part of that Value equation IS NEED. But only part of it.

 

[DaBruinz]

yes he is.

McFadden = OVER RATED

 

[BRiZ]

This is absolutely FALSE. Thomas didn't move to OLB until AFTER Colvin went down. Nice of you to actually have your facts straight, Briz.

Incorrect. He did. But thanks for playing.


Thomas was brought in to be an ILB. The Fact that you mention URLACHER as an ILB (he's not, he's a MLB) just reinforces for everyone how ignorant you are. ILB and MLB are NOT the same position and its unfair to compare the tackles from one to the other. Thomas was averaging 4.67 tackles per game, but that includes 3 games where he was playing very sparingly.

Urlacher, Willis, blah blah any athletic agile true inside backer produces 3x as much at AD did inside, his solo tackles were PATHETIC. Go look it up, rewatch the film, carve a pumpkin i dont care. You dont know what your talking about so im not gunna argue with you.

Just for reference, Bruschi averaged just over 6 tackles per game at ILB. Seau averaged 4.5. Steven Cooper and Matt Wilhelm averaged about 6 per game at ILB. James Harrison and James Farrior were also about 6 per game. So, I don't see where Thomas averaging 4.67 tackles per game on an extremely good defense that didn't play as many downs as the Chicago Bears did is such a bad thing.

Next time, try comparing apples to apples instead of apples to grapefruit. You'll look much more intelligent.



I fully expect the Pats to let Faulk play out his contract or until he decides to hang them up. STARTING running backs start to run out of steam over 30 because of the amount of wear and tear on them. Morris is actually a good back-up rb. Someone who can handle the load if the starter goes down. Faulk is still an amazing 3rd down back.

That doesnt justify drafting passing on drafting his replacement especially when a stud they your franchise has never had in 20 years is staring you in the face. McFadden would crap a large eggroll all over Morris you rank on me for overating McFadden you talk like Morris is Walter Payton. lol hes boarderline a scrub!

Running backs are much easier to find than LBs who can play in the 3-4 system. So, to say its ok to draft a LB and not a RB is NOT dumb. Its actually SMART. Something that you aren't and continue to prove. BTW, while the Pats USUALLY go for LBs in free agency, there really aren't any this year outside of Seau and Bruschi.

OLB's are easy to find, especially with all the DE converts. Its the inside backers in the 3-4 that are hard to find. Its easy to find decent RBs, the true impact dominant ones usually go high though.

 

[DaBruinz]

they can get good players in rounds 2-3. They cannot get stud impact players there unless they find a gem. We are in position for the first time since we drafted Richard Seymour to get a stud probowl impact player and i dont want to waste it on flippin NEED. If there is a stud there YOU TAKE THEM, as long as its not a QB or interior Dlineman. Period.

First of all, McFadden IS NOT A STUD IMPACT PLAYER. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Secondly, while they may not find a STUD in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, they need someone for the DEFENSE who is going to see the field a LOT more than McFadden would sharing time with Maroney and Faulk.

Sorry, But you're WRONG. You do NOT take a RB if you already have THREE who know the offense and performed well in it. And McFadden is NOT better than Maroney at this stage of the game.

Third, if McFadden is such a stud, then, when you're on the board, you trade down, fleeceing whomever is stupid enough to want to trade up to get him. You add draft picks that will help fill the holes that your team has. You don't WASTE a top 7 pick on a position you're already got filled.

 

[DaBruinz]

his first run was 4.27. His second run was 4.33. Sorry that your enemy McFadden tore it up, must be chewing at you huh?

Sorry. Only you are reporting the 4.27. No one else. I've looked at several different places. McFadden only ran 4.33. But you keep on being friggin ignorant. You're good at that.