vrabel trip

[Pujo]

I'm sorry, my fellow Pats fans can be so lame sometimes with the "our players do no wrong".

I bet they'd all be arguing it wasn't tripping if Merriman did the same thing to Brady, just like they'd have been OK with Strahan or someone else poking his finger through Brady's facemask.

Vrabel tripped Rivers, and got away with it. Life goes on, penalties are missed on almost every play and are a part of the game. BFD. The Chargers had some bad calls against them in the Indy game and overcame them, like good teams should be able to do. Against the Pats, they just weren't good enough. But Vrabel's trip was a trip, and I congratulate him for getting away with it.

 

[Deus Irae]

How many players do you see go down, then once down with no more forward motion their leg flies forward like a Jet Li move? The motion WAS natural until it engaged with Rivers' foot. The fling was as unnatural as Janice ****ens' face!

You may want to re-type this post, since it completely destroys your own argument.

 

[djmika760]

Go find a friend. Have him beat you with a spin move. Then, pull on his arm to get him off balance and push him to the ground. Make sure the camera is on so you can see "the physics" of what happens. You will find that the feet go flying in the direction of the push.

By the way, are you now crying about something that you claim came AFTER Rivers fell?

No crying here. Someone else brought this issue up. The PROOF is Vrabel's leg fling after disengagement. How would feet go flying if one was no longer in motion unless one was to apply pressure to ones foot, in say a case like intentional tripping?

 

[djmika760]

I'm sorry, my fellow Pats fans can be so lame sometimes with the "our players do no wrong".

I bet they'd all be arguing it wasn't tripping if Merriman did the same thing to Brady, just like they'd have been OK with Strahan or someone else poking his finger through Brady's facemask.

Vrabel tripped Rivers, and got away with it. Life goes on, penalties are missed on almost every play and are a part of the game. BFD. The Chargers had some bad calls against them in the Indy game and overcame them, like good teams should be able to do. Against the Pats, they just weren't good enough. But Vrabel's trip was a trip, and I congratulate him for getting away with it.

Thank you! That is my perspective on the whole thing. It was unfortunate for us but oh well...life goes on. He got away with a call. A big one but oh well. Im sure if you look closely enough you can find a call we got away with too. And you know what...I would be the first one to admit it. But when someone says the obvious is wrong, it's hard not to chime in with some logic.

 

[Deus Irae]

No crying here. Someone else brought this issue up. The PROOF is Vrabel's leg fling after disengagement. How would feet go flying if one was no longer in motion unless one was to apply pressure to ones foot, in say a case like intentional tripping?

Wow, you have never been involved in a leg entanglement?

1.) It's the natural response to re-strike with your leg when it's been moved via a bump.

2.) While it's a natural response, it's still a trip. I've never claimed it wasn't. However, it likely went uncalled because the official has actually seen people involved in physical contact before, unlike yourself.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

Go find a friend. Have him beat you with a spin move. Then, pull on his arm to get him off balance and push him to the ground. Make sure the camera is on so you can see "the physics" of what happens. You will find that the feet go flying in the direction of the push.

By the way, are you now arguing about something that you claim came AFTER Rivers fell? That's important, because that would clearly have nothing to do with the interception.

It was 100% obvious that Vrabel leg whips Rivers' back leg, causing Rivers to go offbalance and release the duck that was picked. After Rivers throws the ball he corrects his footing so he doesn't completely fall to the floor and moves his foot, in which Vrabel's foot slingshots from the front of Rivers' foot. The action was completely intentional.

Now, on to the "hold." Vrabel was obviously pretty off balance and had already beaten Clary. From the spin move Clary doesn't get much of Vrabel, it was the stepping up in the pocket that fooled Vrabel. The only way to get the piece of Rivers was to slide and take out his foot, which he obviously did. Should have been called, no doubt about it.

If you want to argue it being a hold then it's negating penalties, replay the play over again.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

Wow, you have never been involved in a leg entanglement?

1.) It's the natural response to re-strike with your leg when it's been moved via a bump.

2.) While it's a natural response, it's still a trip. I've never claimed it wasn't. However, it likely went uncalled because the official has actually seen people involved in physical contact before, unlike yourself.

I've seen plenty of feet get entangled, just not involving a pass rusher and QB. When Rivers steps up Vrabel looks like he's sliding into third. He goes to the ground ONLY after Rivers steps up, that's why I believe it was an intentional slide. It also looks as if Vrabel tries to engage his left shoulder to Clary but Clary is not there, causing Vrabel to go off balance.

 

[Ring 6]

How many players do you see go down, then once down with no more forward motion their leg flies forward like a Jet Li move? The motion WAS natural until it engaged with Rivers' foot. The fling was as unnatural as Janice ****ens' face!

You are seeing things.

 

[djmika760]

While it's a natural response, it's still a trip.

Wow! There it is! A moment of clarity from Deus. It was a trip. So I guess, in your eyes, facemasks shouldn't be called either since its a "natural response" to grab whatever you can to bring a guy down, right?

 

[djmika760]

You are seeing things.

Like Pujo said, if it was the other way around you guys would be screaming bloody murder. It is what it is and it's done and over with.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm sorry, my fellow Pats fans can be so lame sometimes with the "our players do no wrong".

I bet they'd all be arguing it wasn't tripping if Merriman did the same thing to Brady, just like they'd have been OK with Strahan or someone else poking his finger through Brady's facemask.

Vrabel tripped Rivers, and got away with it. Life goes on, penalties are missed on almost every play and are a part of the game. BFD. The Chargers had some bad calls against them in the Indy game and overcame them, like good teams should be able to do. Against the Pats, they just weren't good enough. But Vrabel's trip was a trip, and I congratulate him for getting away with it.

Pretending that someone elses opinion is based on a clouded view does not make your opinion correct.
I suppose I shouldn't trust your opinions since you feel every opinion is tainted by an agenda. Mine are not. Simply looking at the play with an open mind is all that is required.
I find it offensive that you imply the fans of the winning team are lying about what they see, and the fans of the losing team who are trying to find something to whine about 4 days later are above reproach.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

Pretending that someone elses opinion is based on a clouded view does not make your opinion correct.
I suppose I shouldn't trust your opinions since you feel every opinion is tainted by an agenda. Mine are not. Simply looking at the play with an open mind is all that is required.
I find it offensive that you imply the fans of the winning team are lying about what they see, and the fans of the losing team who are trying to find something to whine about 4 days later are above reproach.

I am completely over the play. I just can't believe that you look at that play "with an open mind" and don't go away thinking that it was intentional. That's why I'm still on this thread, it's just ridiculous.

 

[djmika760]

Pretending that someone elses opinion is based on a clouded view does not make your opinion correct.
I suppose I shouldn't trust your opinions since you feel every opinion is tainted by an agenda. Mine are not. Simply looking at the play with an open mind is all that is required.
I find it offensive that you imply the fans of the winning team are lying about what they see, and the fans of the losing team who are trying to find something to whine about 4 days later are above reproach.

My Raiders, Cowboys, Philly, and SF buddies thought it was a bad non-call as well. I can see SD and NE fans viewing it without impartiality, but ask any other non SD/NE fans what they think. You will get 9 out of 10 saying it was intentional tripping.

 

[Oswlek]

My Raiders, Cowboys, Philly, and SF buddies thought it was a bad non-call as well. I can see SD and NE fans viewing it without impartiality, but ask any other non SD/NE fans what they think. You will get 9 out of 10 saying it was intentional tripping.

While I agree that it looks like a trip, you aren't going to find impartiality in other fan bases these days when it comes to the Patriots.

Particularly THOSE fanbases. The only ones that might be more anti-Pats are AFCE, Pitt and Indy.

 

[Ring 6]

My Raiders, Cowboys, Philly, and SF buddies thought it was a bad non-call as well. I can see SD and NE fans viewing it without impartiality, but ask any other non SD/NE fans what they think. You will get 9 out of 10 saying it was intentional tripping.

9 of out 10 people thought the Tuck Rule call was wrong because they didnt understand the rule. Does that mean they were right since they were in the consensus?

 

[Ring 6]

I am completely over the play. I just can't believe that you look at that play "with an open mind" and don't go away thinking that it was intentional. That's why I'm still on this thread, it's just ridiculous.

And I think your opinion is ridiculous. Vrabel is going to the ground. When you go to the ground your legs go to the ground. When someone is running toward the spot where your legs are going to the ground, they trip over you.
The fact that Rivers tripped over Vrabels legs does not constitute a tripping penalty.
Vrabel did not trip Rivers, Rivers TRIPPED OVER Vrabel.
Perhaps this conversation would be over 100 posts ago if we we talking about the rule.

 

[Ring 6]

No crying here. Someone else brought this issue up. The PROOF is Vrabel's leg fling after disengagement. How would feet go flying if one was no longer in motion unless one was to apply pressure to ones foot, in say a case like intentional tripping?

This is totally moronic. Vrabel goes the ground, basically slides to the ground.
Rivers RUNS into his leg, and impedes its movement, which is going in the direction of the SD goalline. What do you expect a leg moving in one direction, hitting another leg going in the other direction to do after the contact separates?
Vrabel was IN THE POSITION ON THE FIELD before Rivers contact him.

For all those conspiracy theorists, explain this to me. What would you want Vrabel to do in this case to avoid contact? Rivers initiated the contact, Vrabels legs moved consistently with him going to the ground and were not raised high to trip.

This has to be the most moronic discussion I remember in a long time.
Rivers trips over a player and there is no penalty, but people want to whine about what was going on in Mike Vrabels head.

 

[Pujo]

Pretending that someone elses opinion is based on a clouded view does not make your opinion correct.
I suppose I shouldn't trust your opinions since you feel every opinion is tainted by an agenda. Mine are not. Simply looking at the play with an open mind is all that is required.

I called it as I saw it, and being a Patriots fan clearly my agenda isn't to cover for the Chargers' misfortune. I don't know if you have an agenda or are just interpreting it differently, but what we have is a clear difference of opinion. I feel very strongly that I'm right, and frankly I don't care why you see it differently - I'm sure you're wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree.

I find it offensive that you imply the fans of the winning team are lying about what they see, and the fans of the losing team who are trying to find something to whine about 4 days later are above reproach.

First of all, you can be as offended as you want for all I care. Second, I never said anyone's beyond reproach, I'm sure every team has its share of biased fans. Funny how when the Patriots are on the short end of a call the majority opinion here is always that they were screwed, and when the Pats are on the winning side of a call the opinion is that everything was done just right. Now why is that? Red-white-and-blue glasses is my guess; feel free to be offended, but if the shoe fits...

 

[djmika760]

This is totally moronic. Vrabel goes the ground, basically slides to the ground.
Rivers RUNS into his leg, and impedes its movement, which is going in the direction of the SD goalline. What do you expect a leg moving in one direction, hitting another leg going in the other direction to do after the contact separates?
Vrabel was IN THE POSITION ON THE FIELD before Rivers contact him.

For all those conspiracy theorists, explain this to me. What would you want Vrabel to do in this case to avoid contact? Rivers initiated the contact, Vrabels legs moved consistently with him going to the ground and were not raised high to trip.

This has to be the most moronic discussion I remember in a long time.
Rivers trips over a player and there is no penalty, but people want to whine about what was going on in Mike Vrabels head.

I never whined about it. Some dude brought it up then bailed on the discussion. I say it was tripping, you say it was not. Obviously this is not going anywhere so once again we will have to agree to disagree on this one, agreed? Hey, at least Rivers' didn't jump up and cry for a flag like your buddy Manning...hehehe.

 

[Pujo]

I am completely over the play. I just can't believe that you look at that play "with an open mind" and don't go away thinking that it was intentional. That's why I'm still on this thread, it's just ridiculous.

Agreed, this is as blatant as the Wilfork eye poke everyone was defending. Meanwhile, if Brady gets touched people start yelling for a penalty, fine, and suspension.