Per Breer: Mac Jones "infuriating" coaches with decision making

[venecol]

Oh goody! 7 more pages of micro-criticism of everyone’s favorite whipping boy by all the QB experts here at Patsfans.com.

How's that #10 jersey fitting these days?

 

[venecol]

Looks like Mac is being setup as the fall guy.

Was Mac the guy that:
a) pushed Jacoby Meyers out the door
b) declined to outbid the Titans for Hopkins who got him for a deal. Money talks and the Pats could have easily convinced him with more money.
c) injure their only good receiver Bourne.

With the Jags Mac is playing with, we shouldn't be blaming him for anything but pointing the finger to where it belongs.

I agree with this but that doesn't take away from Mac's poor decisions and league leading TO worthy plays.

 

[venecol]

Lance was a project with high upside when he was drafted... and still is a project 3 years later. No development at all and part of that is on how he was developed I think. Doesn't seem like a Shanahan kind of QB. Hasn't shown yet that he can even play in this league at all never mind reach that upside.

And with that injury maybe his upside is lower now than it was. I think that's probably why the 49ers pulled the plug.

He's played 8 games in 3 years with an 84.5 rating (Mac at 86.9). He's 23 yo. I doubt anyone has seen enough of him to make such a bold statement.

 

[stinkypete]

I don't view Jones as a bust. Zach Wilson is a bust. Jones is exactly as he was advertised in 2021 - a limited QB with ceiling of Matt Ryan and a floor of Andy Dalton. We are getting the floor, a QB who can lead a good roster to the playoffs, but looks bad on an average roster. The only path to success with Jones would have been to assemble a 49ers type roster, and even that would not likely have been enough given the state of the AFC QBs.

An upgrade at QB alone is not going to fix this. The system broke last season, and this season is a reminder that broken systems cannot fix themselves.

We've been looking forward to the 2024 offseason as the payoff moment since Jones was drafted, but at this point, we're better off using the year of flexibility to rid ourselves of some toxic contracts, and reset both the roster and the culture. Parker, Godchaux and Smith-Shuster need to go, and if it costs $20 million of dead cap, so be it.

 

[venecol]

That's what is interesting.. becuase San Fran drafted him.. and still had Jimmy glass on the roster.. then the way that situation was with Jimmy told he wasn't going to be part of the plan. I wish my job could pay me to stay home Lol. He got hurt last season after 4 games I think was a serious injury. Like fields I don't think the teams who drafted them are correctly using them to thier strengths. Athletes like them you have to let them be them, that's what got them to the NFL level. Is what Ravens did what Lamar..

Neither of those guys "strengths" would fit into Bill's system. How many times have we seen Bill bring in players and change their role or even position to fit into his system, sometimes succesfully but many times not. He's not about to let them be them. Lol

 

[Tunescribe]

Except his point was that Triumph wasn't the only one with that view. A bunch of us saw it but you and your blind homer brigade kept trying to shut us down as having an "agenda." Lol, you guys are hilarious.

You and Triumph saw only someone who wasn't Tom Brady (or more specifically in his case, Cam Newton). Like Triumph, you don't know quarterback play from your lower sphincter, only who you "like" -- campaigning incessantly on behalf of Bailey Zappe being Exhibit A. No, your sheer idiocy shut itself down. If you want a hilarious "lol," find the nearest mirror.

 

[venecol]

So what is it we should be talking about?

Come on man, we should be talking about the chances of making the playoffs. With a dub our chances jump to 2%.



Or about our chances of a top 5 pick:



Of course, the uber homers will tell you a W is more important (despite only a 2% chance of making a difference) than the 50% chance of picking in the top 5 that would increase w/ a L.

I say keep playing Mac, he's doing fine.

 

[venecol]

Statistically your right. But if you go beyond stats, it's hard to argue that Brady was not top 5. The proof is 3 SBs in 4 years.

Brady was asked to be a game manager. That's what he did and he was exemplary at it. The Pats had an elite defense, a strong run game, and played great situational football. Brady just had to keep the game close and not turn the ball over. When he had to make the throws, he made those throws.

The other thing, is in the playoffs the going gets tough against more talented teams. Those teams that don't take it to the next level gets knocked out. To win 3 or 4 games in a row against top teams is tough. Brady among others brought their game to the next level. Even some top QBs can't do that, looking at you Manning.

Often when people look at the top players in a season(ie probowl and all pro), they don't include the playoffs which is just silly. Brady brought his game up in the playoffs and in crunch time in do or die situations. This is an underrated intangible that Brady had(which Manning did not have) that many often overlook. This is why he was a top 5 QB even in his first years.

Brady was just clutch during those (and many other) years, especially in the playoffs like you said.

..........4QC/GWD.....PLAYOFFS
2001:....3 / 3...............1 / 2
2003:....3 / 5 ..............1 / 2
2004:....0 / 1...............0 / 1

That's 5 GWDs in 9 playoff games.

 

[sb1]

He's played 8 games in 3 years with an 84.5 rating (Mac at 86.9). He's 23 yo. I doubt anyone has seen enough of him to make such a bold statement.

Don’t know if it’s that bold to say he hasn’t shown it yet…this isn’t April 2021 anymore and he’s just as much of a project now as he was then. Mac obviously was supposed to be the most polished and NFL ready and he is turning out to be exactly what the scouting consensus pre draft said he would be. High floor and low ceiling. Guys like that can’t elevate teams and they don’t look good on bad teams which the 2023 Patriots are.

 

[venecol]

In all honesty, who cares about being right or wrong on this stuff? There are people here who seem to be more happy about being right about Mac Jones than the fact that if they were wrong, it would be far better for the Patriots and Patriots fans.

That is what I have hated about this board most since Brady left. People are more concerned about the scoreboard on this site of who is right on the side of the arguments of Brady vs. Belichick or whether it was Patricia or Mac who was the problem last year or whether Mac is any good rather than the scoreboard in Gillette.

No one on this board should be celebrating or taking victory laps for the fact that this team is a disaster, but several posters seem to want to do it every day. That isn't being a Patriots fan.

Classic post from Mac's #1 FAN. You spent countless posts defending Mac for the last 3 seasons, using every excuse in the book, blaming everyone from OL to WR to coaches. You lauded Dan Orlovsky's (Lol) takes on Mac. You poo-poo'd his detractors. Of course you want a pass.

BTW, I would have gladly eaten crow had Mac turned out to be the 2nd coming. You have yet to do so.

 

[Real fan 02]

Neither of those guys "strengths" would fit into Bill's system. How many times have we seen Bill bring in players and change their role or even position to fit into his system, sometimes succesfully but many times not. He's not about to let them be them. Lol

It's about the strength of the player.. what they are best at, what they were drafted in the NFL on.. teams get caught up to much on a "system" Baltimore for example did a great job of allowing Lamar for example to play to his strengths, and tweaked thier offense around his abilities. I completely agree with you about BBs system.. but his system as we all emphatically know on works with 1 QB... LOL..

 

[sb1]

How's that #10 jersey fitting these days?

My Patriots legend Scott Secules jersey getting a little tight...

 

[sb1]

Come on man, we should be talking about the chances of making the playoffs. With a dub our chances jump to 2%.

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Or about our chances of a top 5 pick:

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Of course, the uber homers will tell you a W is more important (despite only a 2% chance of making a difference) than the 50% chance of picking in the top 5 that would increase w/ a L.

I say keep playing Mac, he's doing fine.

NFL Draft Order

The NFL Draft Order table provides the probabilities of your team's selection order.

www.playoffstatus.com

6% chance of the #1 pick overall
38% chance of a top 3 pick

New England Patriots What If?

The Patriots What If table presents playoff probabilities depended upon how the Patriots play future games.

www.playoffstatus.com

Can't believe there's still a path to the playoffs at 6-11 loool

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Mac sucks, I'd be happy right now with simply "good" QB play.

Going forward assuming they re-sign some of these guys, as a GM I'd love to inherit these guys along with a high first round pick, all my picks, the most cap space in the league and the ownership and fanbase:

Christian Gonzalez
Isaiah Bolden
Keion White
Sidy Sow
Chad Ryland
Marte Mapu
Atonio Mafi
Demario Douglas
Kayshon Boutte
Bryce Baringer
Jake Andrews
Marcus Jones
Tyquan Thornton
Cole Strange
Brenden Schooler
Sam Roberts
Jack Jones
Rhamondre Stevenson
Christian Barmore
Josh Uche
Michael Onwenu
Anfernee Jennings
Kyle Dugger
Mike Gesicki
Ja'Whaun Bentley
Kendrick Bourne
Deatrich Wise
JuJu Smith-Schuster
Jabrill Peppers
Pharaoh Brown
Matt Judon
Jalen Mills
Jonathan Jones
Hunter Henry
Ezekiel Elliott
Trent Brown
David Andrews
Adrian Phillips

There's a fair amount of talent there ^

We've seen it numerous times before, even really talented teams with bad QB's can't win.

I’d rather see them overpay a little to extend homegrown talent than burn all that cash in free agency again.

 

[venecol]

You and Triumph saw only someone who wasn't Tom Brady (or more specifically in his case, Cam Newton). Like Triumph, you don't know quarterback play from your lower sphincter, only who you "like" -- campaigning incessantly on behalf of Bailey Zappe being Exhibit A. No, your sheer idiocy shut itself down. If you want a hilarious "lol," find the nearest mirror.

Insults aside, which you seem to relish, your statement is impressively ironic given you chose to die on Mound Corky. You also led a brigade of homers trying to shut down posters critical of BB and Mac. You were successful, with your constant whining to Ian, in getting posters that didn't share your puritan homer views banished. Now, you want to be reasonable, yet continue your attacks. Like I said you're hilarious.

 

[Ring 6]

I'd make bad decisions too if I was constantly being pressured whilst looking at receivers who weren't open.

Mac may very well not be good enough, but aside from the greatest Quarterback that's ever lived, I'm pretty confident no-one could look functional alongside the other bodies out there on the field on offense. An even then I'm not sure Brady wouldn't lose his **** with the pressure and awful route running. Heck, he saw the writing on the wall 3 years ago and bailed.

The fact the media are even reporting this, is testament to how amateurish things are now, from top to bottom. If this is B'oB, by the way, his ass needs to be the first one out the door when the season is done, if cleaning house is a thing.

He has plenty of open receivers and after a few early games has plenty of time.
Watch the tape. It’s easy to see.

 

[venecol]

NFL Draft Order

The NFL Draft Order table provides the probabilities of your team's selection order.

www.playoffstatus.com

6% chance of the #1 pick overall
38% chance of a top 3 pick

I'd just be happy w/ top 5, which is achievable. At #4 everything is open to reach into the top 3 w/o it being too costly. Of course, they'll probably win 2 to 3 more games to push them outside the top 5.

New England Patriots What If?

The Patriots What If table presents playoff probabilities depended upon how the Patriots play future games.

www.playoffstatus.com

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Can't believe there's still a path to the playoffs at 6-11 loool

That's fiction.

 

[Guts]

Insults aside, which you seem to relish, your statement is impressively ironic given you chose to die on Mound Corky. You also led a brigade of homers trying to shut down posters critical of BB and Mac. You were successful, with your constant whining to Ian, in getting posters that didn't share your puritan homer views banished. Now, you want to be reasonable, yet continue your attacks. Like I said you're hilarious.

 

[Ring 6]

Insults aside, which you seem to relish, your statement is impressively ironic given you chose to die on Mound Corky. You also led a brigade of homers trying to shut down posters critical of BB and Mac. You were successful, with your constant whining to Ian, in getting posters that didn't share your puritan homer views banished. Now, you want to be reasonable, yet continue your attacks. Like I said you're hilarious.

There’s the emotional response.

 

[Real fan 02]

I’d rather see them overpay a little to extend homegrown talent than burn all that cash in free agency again.

2 examples of teams that had sub Parr QB play and were successful are the 2009& 2010 jets, and the Eli Manning giants 2007&2011.. not that I want continued bad QB play.. but there are examples...