OT: Jags on officiating

[speed]

I disagree and honestly I always find it hard to believe that it is usually in anyone teams favor. Again, I hate to beat a dead horse here, but theres an opposing call for every other call that was bad. Del Rio can't get over the Colts, I understand the frustration, it's horrible to not be able to get over that hump team. I just think blaming the officials is counter productive for his team.

Ball spotting, San Diego game inside two minutes, measured inside the 5 for a Colts first down, which would have allow them to try to run it in for a game winning touchdown.

THE REFS, decide to review the spot, RESPOT the ball, take away the first down, Adam V shanks it, Colts lose.

My response, get the first down by more than 2 inches, don't be 2 points down under two minutes, play better the other 58 minutes, but don't cry about one or two calls that as a homer you see as bad. It makes it sound like you don't control your own destiny through hard nosed well played football.

Go to Colts board or any board for that matter, you'll see the same thing.

Reggie Waynes got hit late. Run back for touchdown taken away. Late hits on Peyton. It goes both ways, honestly.

I like conspiracy fans cause I think they are the ultimate homers, so much so they blame any of their teams inadequacies or bad games on some hidden league agenda or some bought off ref. Good for you conspiracy homer fan, but its bad for a team, like the Jags, to make this part of their persona. It sets them up for failure, imho.

 

[BelichickFan]

I picked these stats up from another board - no-one disputed them so I assume they're correct :

Colts opponents last year were 83-647 and the Colts were 87-795, so they were more penalized then their opponents.

This year, and project their penalties for 16 games and their opponents at 91-808 and the colts at 57-376.

So that means last year the Colts opponents received 55% of the penalties called in Colts games. Whereas this year the opponents receive 32%.

Unless you assume that the Colts have improved this dramatically in avoiding penalties or that the players that left were almost the entire cause for penalties, there is no way this can just happen legitimately. The Colts are on pace for less than half the penalties they had last year while their opponents have increased by 25%.

Not possible.

 

[speed]

I picked these stats up from another board - no-one disputed them so I assume they're correct :

Colts opponents last year were 83-647 and the Colts were 87-795, so they were more penalized then their opponents.

This year, and project their penalties for 16 games and their opponents at 91-808 and the colts at 57-376.

So that means last year the Colts opponents received 55% of the penalties called in Colts games. Whereas this year the opponents receive 32%.

Unless you assume that the Colts have improved this dramatically in avoiding penalties or that the players that left were almost the entire cause for penalties, there is no way this can just happen legitimately. The Colts are on pace for less than half the penalties they had last year while their opponents have increased by 25%.

Not possible.

I'd question last years numbers, I think in all of Dungy's tenure they emphasize not having penalties and usually rate toward the best in that category.

 

[Keegs]

I'd question last years numbers, I think in all of Dungy's tenure they imphasize not having penalties and usually rate toward the best in that category.

wait....
so the NFL team tries not to get penalties called on them?

Ohh ok that explains everything. We can close the books on this one. the mystery has been solved.

 

[BelichickFan]

I'd question last years numbers, I think in all of Dungy's tenure they imphasize not having penalties and usually rate toward the best in that category.

I just looked them up and while the numbers I saw were a little off, the point remains.

From CBS' stats site, the Colts penalties have gone from 718 to a projected 412, their opponents have gone from 667 to a projected 753.

According to that, the Colts have dropped 43% while the opponents have risen 13%.

 

[Keegs]

I just looked them up and while the numbers I saw were a little off, the point remains.

From CBS' stats site, the Colts penalties have gone from 718 to a projected 412, their opponents have gone from 667 to a projected 753.

According to that, the Colts have dropped 43% while the opponents have risen 13%.

I'm sorry but he already refuted that argument with his brilliant "the colts don't try to get penalized" response.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Thought the bogus officiating for the Colts would end when Manning got his ring.
We learned that was not true after 8 calls/non-calls all when to the Colts and against the Patriots out there. The league has a LARGE credibility problem not only with refs consistently throwing calls the Cots way but with that amplified crowd noise at Indy.
Roger Goodell where are you...........

 

[FrontSeven]

I mean, that non-fumble call on Utecht was ridiculous,

It was? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

I don't think you listened to Simms either. Simms saw it immediately on the replay and it was *obvious* that it could not be called a fumble according to the rule.

Maybe you don't like the rule. Well fine, maybe we should give back the Tuck Call and make everybody happy who doesn't like the rules.

 

[speed]

I just looked them up and while the numbers I saw were a little off, the point remains.

From CBS' stats site, the Colts penalties have gone from 718 to a projected 412, their opponents have gone from 667 to a projected 753.

According to that, the Colts have dropped 43% while the opponents have risen 13%.

Thanks for checking the numbers, regardless of what I think about officiating that is a drastic change, very notable.

 

[Joker]

after an entire season of penalties within their norm, the Patriots were flagged for the MOST PENALTY YARDAGE IN TEAM HISTORY....by the END OF THE 3RD QUARTER in Indy!!!!

Flabbergastingly overt bias.

Speed sees nothing unusual.

 

[Joker]

Well fine, maybe we should give back the Tuck Call and make everybody happy who doesn't like the rules.

when confronted with overt, irrefutable evidence of his team's bias, Colt fan immediately runs for the cover of the tuck rule. Pretty funny, considering that call had ZERO to do with the Colts.

Pretzel logic anyone?

 

[BradyManny]

All the conspiracy jibber jabber is off the mark - it boils down to something a lot simpler - many refs have and likely always will be affected by crowd noise and the home crowd, specifically. It's probably human nature, but if there were a statistical analysis of it, I'd be willing to bet that borderline calls in every sport go to the home crowd a little bit more often than not.

On top of that, I do think the refs are very cognizant of what a whiny little bytch Polian is, and I think those two factors explain the reason why the Colts seemingly get ever borderline call in meaningful situations to go their way.

There's no intent, the refs obviously don't have a rooting matter, but for over the past few years, dating back to the Steelers AFCCG game really, the RCA dome has been home to some of the worst calls we've ever seen, some of the more controversial calls, and even the biggest Colts homer can't deny this fact. It's not a coincidence that it's a) one of the loudest places to play (home crowd factor) b) the team is run by Polian (whiner).

 

[Deus Irae]

It was? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

I don't think you listened to Simms either. Simms saw it immediately on the replay and it was *obvious* that it could not be called a fumble according to the rule.

Maybe you don't like the rule. Well fine, maybe we should give back the Tuck Call and make everybody happy who doesn't like the rules.

Even Pereira, who oversees the officials, had to have this "explained" numerous times before he came around. The fact is that this bull**** call is precisely what what supposed to be fixed after the Steelers/Colts playoff game. Yet, somehow, it once again is used to bail the Colts out. It was a fumble, the Personal foul should have been an offsetting situation, and the Colts defensive line cheats by barking out. How shocking that the Sainted Colts are not only getting the benefits of the officiating, but cheating as well.

 

[speed]

All the conspiracy jibber jabber is off the mark - it boils down to something a lot simpler - many refs have and likely always will be affected by crowd noise and the home crowd, specifically. It's probably human nature, but if there were a statistical analysis of it, I'd be willing to bet that borderline calls in every sport go to the home crowd a little bit more often than not.

On top of that, I do think the refs are very cognizant of what a whiny little bytch Polian is, and I think those two factors explain the reason why the Colts seemingly get ever borderline call in meaningful situations to go their way.

This, at the very least, makes sense to me. I'm not saying a agree with the every borderline call part, but this is logical and possible.

 

[workhorse]

I picked these stats up from another board - no-one disputed them so I assume they're correct :

Colts opponents last year were 83-647 and the Colts were 87-795, so they were more penalized then their opponents.

This year, and project their penalties for 16 games and their opponents at 91-808 and the colts at 57-376.

So that means last year the Colts opponents received 55% of the penalties called in Colts games. Whereas this year the opponents receive 32%.

Unless you assume that the Colts have improved this dramatically in avoiding penalties or that the players that left were almost the entire cause for penalties, there is no way this can just happen legitimately. The Colts are on pace for less than half the penalties they had last year while their opponents have increased by 25%.

Not possible.

I just looked them up and while the numbers I saw were a little off, the point remains.

From CBS' stats site, the Colts penalties have gone from 718 to a projected 412, their opponents have gone from 667 to a projected 753.

According to that, the Colts have dropped 43% while the opponents have risen 13%.

One key to that is Tarik Glenn retired. He was good for at least one or two false starts per game. So there goes 20 or 30 penalties right there.

The difference is quiet a bit from season to season. There may be two things that factor into that, but they wouldn't be enough to account for the entire difference. Most of the Colts penalties come on defense. Their defense is much better this season and can get off the field. Throw that in with the fact that the Colts offense plays a much more ball control style of offense and that means the defense is on the field less and thus should cut down on some of the penalty opportunities. Throw that in with the better secondary players and that will account for some of the difference.

It would be interesting to see how many penalties are called on a team and not accepted because the outcome of the play was better.

 

[BradyManny]

This, at the very least, makes sense to me. I'm not saying a agree with the every borderline call part, but this is logical and possible.

If anything, I'd think Colts fans would just embrace it and accept that their dome and the crowd (amplified or not...) is the 12th man, and that it has many benefits, including perhaps affecting the refs.

Yesterday, for instance, none of the calls were outright bad (as they were notable bad calls in the Pats or Steelers playoffs games in recent years), they were all borderline - and it's simply that they all ended up going in the Colts favor that guides me to the conclusion I've made. Or rather reinforces a conclusion I'd already made.

 

[workhorse]

If anything, I'd think Colts fans would just embrace it and accept that their dome and the crowd (amplified or not...) is the 12th man, and that it has many benefits, including perhaps affecting the refs.

Yesterday, for instance, none of the calls were outright bad (as they were notable bad calls in the Pats or Steelers playoffs games in recent years), they were all borderline - and it's simply that they all ended up going in the Colts favor that guides me to the conclusion I've made. Or rather reinforces a conclusion I'd already made.

I think there may be something to that, I think it shows up a lot more with hoops (probably because the fans are so much closer to the refs), but it could play a factor. It would explain the defensive line barking out the snap calls. There is no way the refs could hear that over the crowd.

 

[Deus Irae]

All the conspiracy jibber jabber is off the mark - it boils down to something a lot simpler - many refs have and likely always will be affected by crowd noise and the home crowd, specifically. It's probably human nature, but if there were a statistical analysis of it, I'd be willing to bet that borderline calls in every sport go to the home crowd a little bit more often than not.

On top of that, I do think the refs are very cognizant of what a whiny little bytch Polian is, and I think those two factors explain the reason why the Colts seemingly get ever borderline call in meaningful situations to go their way.

There's no intent, the refs obviously don't have a rooting matter, but for over the past few years, dating back to the Steelers AFCCG game really, the RCA dome has been home to some of the worst calls we've ever seen, some of the more controversial calls, and even the biggest Colts homer can't deny this fact. It's not a coincidence that it's a) one of the loudest places to play (home crowd factor) b) the team is run by Polian (whiner).

The Colts are beneficiaries of terrible calls on the road as well.

 

[speed]

If anything, I'd think Colts fans would just embrace it and accept that their dome and the crowd (amplified or not...) is the 12th man, and that it has many benefits, including perhaps affecting the refs.

Yesterday, for instance, none of the calls were outright bad (as they were notable bad calls in the Pats or Steelers playoffs games in recent years), they were all borderline - and it's simply that they all ended up going in the Colts favor that guides me to the conclusion I've made. Or rather reinforces a conclusion I'd already made.

I'd agree with you, for certain about home field/crowd advantage, except I think its obviously tainted talking about it on a Pats board (I know, then go away, right? ). All that I am saying is every call that goes agains the Colts or not called is completely ignored and every call in the favor amplyfied. I don't give bad calls against the Colts a second thought to be honest, past the next play, thats just me, don't cry over spilled milk type thing.

I do know there was a call earlier in the year that the head of referees called the worst you could have or something like that.

I just think people don't acknowledge that the Colts do in fact get bad calls, plenty and I really don't expect that realization here, anyway. I'm just saying tomorrow morning when the Baltimore paper has in it how much the refs favored that Pats after they beat them, I would guess the Pats probably had some bad calls against them as well.

 

[SVN]

anyone remember it was in indy when pitt played them in the playoff when a manning INT to polamalu was reversed as a incomplete ..when it was so clear ?