[Title edited] OP theorizes about Pats signing Lamar and wants to discuss

[BaconGrundleCandy]

He has maybe 2-3 MVP regular seasons left. Then his legs are gone. Because as a QB that's a runner, he can't do what RBs do...take plays off. So, sure, he can be great. If you think you're one playmaking QB away from a Super Bowl...maybe. But I would not give him a long-term deal. 4 years would be borderline, even for me.

95% of QB won't give one but he'll give you 2-3 and you won't sign him.

 

[Love The Drake]

Never, imagine signing Lamar to an offer sheet then Ravens match then it’s like Hey Mac we believe in you you’re our guy.
Now you’re forced to trade Mac or have a guy not 100 percent bought in.
Only way you even consider it is Mac is not your guy and if that is the case I’d rather sign Mayfield and draft a QB.

Mayfield
Zappe
Rookie
I’d rather trade up for Levis then give up the farm for Jackson.

 

[Ross12]

95% of QB won't give one but he'll give you 2-3 and you won't sign him.

They’re gonna have to pay Mac huge money in a couple seasons, look at what Daniel Jones made and then consider what Mac will cost. It might actually be a smart time to sign a guy like Lamar for not necessarily a lot more cash. Obviously the issue is it costs you two firsts, but you could trade Mac for a 2nd and recoup a little bit of that cost.

Of course if the Ravens just match your offer then you end up making Mac upset. At that point you may want to use next year’s 1st to trade up from 14 to draft a new QB.

I’d be pretty hesitant to do it, but I can see the thought process.

 

[XLIX]

It is more likely they sign me to QB than Lamar.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Not to destroy the cap for the long-term deal he wants.

 

[Pape]

If this was something that the Patriots were to consider, I think two things would have happened by now...

First the revamped offensive coaching staff would be more geared towards a potential rpo type offense... In his first two years, approximately 6% and 4% ('21, '22 respectively) of Macs passing attempts were rpos... you will most likely get a similar O with BoB... to compare with what baltimore did, last season Lamar Jackson ran the rpo 22% of the time based on passing plays... Thats a huge difference in offensive philosophy...

Secondly, we would have seen the front office being much more aggressive in clearing cap space... He wants a 40+ million dollar guaranteed deal... We don't have enough space to cover that right now... We would need to do more than a few restructures to fit in a cap hit like that without it having long term cap consequences...while people here grumble about it, the Patriots do try to stick within their cap management system... They are typically very disciplined when it comes to cap expenditures...

Free agency is a week away... I'm thinking we would have heard at least some rumblings about a dramatic move like this... while Foxborough is notorious for its silence, sometimes whisperings do leak to the outside world...

 

[rabidfireweasel]

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Shouldn’t a thread about Lamar-Patriots rumors contain at least one rumor from a predictably sh*tty source? Can someone help the OP out by checking Moe Chanel’s and Justin Ramos’ recent tweets? Or maybe that dude Simon Charles, who lists a PhD in both Journalism and Female Anatomy on his twitter bio?

Mods….little help here? Maybe merge with the franchise tag thread?

Lamar Jackson Free Agency Rumors: Colts, Lions, and Patriots Still Among Suitors

We have the latest Lamar Jackson free agency rumors and news, including why the Colts, Lions, and others are interested in the quarterback.

www.profootballnetwork.com

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Bill Belichick says Lamar Jackson has 'more than answered' pre-draft questions

Bill Belichick called Ravens QB Lamar Jackson an "MVP-type candidate," saying Jackson 'more than' answered questions about his passing.

www.boston.com

 

[Real fan 02]

While I think it more likely than not that Lamar winds up staying with the Ravens, after they choose to match the offer sheet, I think it is a possibility (probably about 10-15%) that the Patriots make Lamar an offer. 2 Firsts for an MVP QB who is only 24 (only about 6 months older than Mac) is not an unbearable price. Bill O’Brien has had success with Deshaun Watson and Bryce Young, and can call and design read option plays. Bill wants to win now, they have cap space, and this is probably their best chance to get an elite QB. QB’s that run mean you can have lesser wr’s because more eyes need to be on the QB.

NE could structure a deal that is less cap friendly up front (paying out more, faster in signing bonus and first two years against the cap) that might be more attractive to Lamar and make it harder for the Ravens to match,

It is a long-shot, but I think it a long-shot worth watching- certainly more than the Tee Higgins nonsense.

Excellent post, my question is would Mac be included In any proposal?

Just thinking about the idea of having Lamar, when we passed on him In the draft.. feels like we say this alot on here with all- pros.. you hear oh patriots passed on this guy or that guy..

Lamar is phenomenal.. just I know it's a pipe dream.. but just thinking about having a player like Lamar..

Well guess it's gotta be in Mac we have to believe...

 

[rabidfireweasel]

All the moves the Pats have made this off season so far have been with an eye towards trying to get Mac on the right track. Why waste 2 firsts and not address WR and OT? Makes no sense for the Pats.

My guess is, much to shock of people in this forum, that most players inthe NFL would rather play with Lamar Jackson with a new contact and BB than with Mac Jones and Cole Strange and BB. Thise 2 guys represent our last 2 firsts. N’Keal is in there two. To trade up in the early first costs more than two 1’s. It’s not like NE is majestic picking early. As Bill ages and Shula is in sight, I think he will be more willing to trade picks for proven veterans. I could be wrong; but I don’t think this is nearly as implausible as some think.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Excellent post, my question is would Mac be included In any proposal?

Just thinking about the idea of having Lamar, when we passed on him In the draft.. feels like we say this alot on here with all- pros.. you hear oh patriots passed on this guy or that guy..

Lamar is phenomenal.. just I know it's a pipe dream.. but just thinking about having a player like Lamar..

Well guess it's gotta be in Mac we have to believe...

These is no trade proposal. If he signed the contract here (he can only sign 1), Baltimore can match, or get our next two firsts. At that point, we would likely move Mac, but he would not be part of the compensation for Jackson.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Where’s the rumor…?

The thread is a placeholder for rumors that I think are likely to start. I have recently posted 1.

Here’s one from September?

Is Bill Belichick trying to recruit Lamar Jackson to the Patriots?

Lamar Jackson and Bill Belichick would be unstoppable.

endzoneblog.com

And another:

Why didn't the Patriots draft Lamar Jackson? Bill Belichick's praise of Ravens QB has many revisiting 2018 NFL Draft | Sporting News Australia

The Patriots met with Lamar Jackson before the 2018 NFL Draft but didn't select him with either of their two first-round picks.

www.sportingnews.com

This one, the title is a little misleading. What they are really saying that is IF he leaves Baltimore then NE is his most likely landing spot. They are not saying that going to NE is the most likely outcome.

The Patriots are the Favorite to Land Lamar Jackson this Offseason - CLNS Media

Well that’s not something you expect to see when you check the betting odds in the morning… According to oddsmakers at BetOnline.ag, the New England Patriots are the favorites to land quarterback Lamar Jackson this offseason – should he leave the Ravens: Lamar Jackson’s Next Team (If Not...

www.clnsmedia.com

 

[rabidfireweasel]

If this was something that the Patriots were to consider, I think two things would have happened by now...

First the revamped offensive coaching staff would be more geared towards a potential rpo type offense... In his first two years, approximately 6% and 4% ('21, '22 respectively) of Macs passing attempts were rpos... you will most likely get a similar O with BoB... to compare with what baltimore did, last season Lamar Jackson ran the rpo 22% of the time based on passing plays... Thats a huge difference in offensive philosophy...

Secondly, we would have seen the front office being much more aggressive in clearing cap space... He wants a 40+ million dollar guaranteed deal... We don't have enough space to cover that right now... We would need to do more than a few restructures to fit in a cap hit like that without it having long term cap consequences...while people here grumble about it, the Patriots do try to stick within their cap management system... They are typically very disciplined when it comes to cap expenditures...

Free agency is a week away... I'm thinking we would have heard at least some rumblings about a dramatic move like this... while Foxborough is notorious for its silence, sometimes whisperings do leak to the outside world...

1) Bill O’Brien has experience his most recent with DeShaun Watson and Bryce Young. I think he could scheme up some things with Lamar.

2) Contract can be structured in different ways. For simple match sake, let’s say he gets 5 years 250 million fully guaranteed. It doesn’t mean that he is going count 50 million against the cap every there. There could be $60M signing bonus, that splits out over the 5 years at 12M per year. The first year, his salary could start at 13M and be a cap hit of 225M this year. You wouldn’t have to do any restructuring of current deals. Daniel Jones is making 40M per year.


There was no real way to prepare for this right, because you just learned the Ravens were non-exclusive tagging Lamar yesterday.

 

[signbabybrady]

Do it

 

[A Defiant Goose]

You know I was just thinking about how much I missed the 2020 Cam Newton season so yeah I'm all in on Jackson

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

I’d absolutely love to have him here. It’d change the dynamic and I think the Patriots overnight become a contender, screw two first round draft picks

That being said, it’s never going to happen,

 

[Ross12]

You know I was just thinking about how much I missed the 2020 Cam Newton season so yeah I'm all in on Jackson

To be honest, if Cam could throw a pass even remotely accurately, and if their top two WRs weren’t Meyers and Damiere Byrd, that would’ve been a pretty solid offense. They really outperformed their talent…

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

They’re gonna have to pay Mac huge money in a couple seasons, look at what Daniel Jones made and then consider what Mac will cost. It might actually be a smart time to sign a guy like Lamar for not necessarily a lot more cash. Obviously the issue is it costs you two firsts, but you could trade Mac for a 2nd and recoup a little bit of that cost.

Of course if the Ravens just match your offer then you end up making Mac upset. At that point you may want to use next year’s 1st to trade up from 14 to draft a new QB.

I’d be pretty hesitant to do it, but I can see the thought process.

Yes.

Essentially Jones deal is like 2 year 85 million or something like that. You're paying huge money either way. Its not you'll have a ton of flexibility on that contract. Especially when you need "great" to win. That's something people often forget. Special wins in the NFL at QB not "good enough."

As far as alienating Mac. He hasn't done anything to warrant any special behavior and almost cried on the field over Patricia. I'm not worried about hurting his feelings until he delivers an MVP season or carrys us to the playoffs.

 

[Pape]

1) Bill O’Brien has experience his most recent with DeShaun Watson and Bryce Young. I think he could scheme up some things with Lamar.

2) Contract can be structured in different ways. For simple match sake, let’s say he gets 5 years 250 million fully guaranteed. It doesn’t mean that he is going count 50 million against the cap every there. There could be $60M signing bonus, that splits out over the 5 years at 12M per year. The first year, his salary could start at 13M and be a cap hit of 225M this year. You wouldn’t have to do any restructuring of current deals. Daniel Jones is making 40M per year.


There was no real way to prepare for this right, because you just learned the Ravens were non-exclusive tagging Lamar yesterday.

Go look at Watsons contract on otc and you will get an idea of what effect a fully guaranteed deal has on the cap...

2018 the Watson.bob combo ran no rpos... 2019 9.5%, 2020 10% were rpos... More than 50% difference... Watson also threw approximately 500 times per year under BoB... While Jackson attempts about 350-400 passes a year...

just looking at the raw numbers, does it really seem like a fit?

 

[Joker]

Laturd can't even spell CAT if you spotted him the C and the T...hard pass