Tomase: Seymour may be a while

[JackBauer]

Thanks for the memories Sey, but you're just another lineman these days, and an injured one at that!

Wow.

Pathetic. Just pathetic.

 

[JackBauer]

Jarvis Green is cheaper and better.

Do you actually believe that Jarvis freakin' Green is better than Richard Seymour? Really?

I don't even know what to say to some of these posters.

 

[RayClay]

:bricks: :bricks: :bricks: .........................

Reiss already said November is likely. That's basically what it says here.

Nothing new.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Cancel that, Reiss sourced ESPN.

By the way, solid news does not include lines like "My guess is"

 

[The Boston Patriot]

Do you actually believe that Jarvis freakin' Green is better than Richard Seymour? Really?

This year he has been a lot better...

 

[skspikex2]

Okie we can sit here and speculate all we want. Let just wait week 6 and see what happen, and if Seymour is back by then, then everything going according to BB plan.

Dont get me wrong, I really want Seymour to be back, he is still a dominant force.

 

[RayClay]

Okie we can sit here and speculate all we want. Let just wait week 6 and see what happen, and if Seymour is back by then, then everything going according to BB plan.

Dont get me wrong, I really want Seymour to be back, he is still a dominant force.

I suppose the fact you have to say that shows :blahblah: :wha: :help:the intelligence level permeating this thread.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Jimke
My impression of Seymour since he received his last contract is that he is no longer among the most dedicated Patriot's players. I think he will take advantage of his PUP status for as long as he can and not be
declared fit to play until the last possible minute.

My impression of you is that you're spazzing out and that these suspicions of Seymour somehow dogging it or "pulling a Manny" are completely baseless and unfounded.

I totally agree with you patsox23 :yeahthat: ... amazing how many armchair physicians we have in the forum. Also, to those whacking away at Seymour ... could anyone get away with dogging it on this team? Not even Brady himself could egt away with that. A player can fool the media...maybe even a lesser coach. But no player on this team is going to fool these teamates ... not possible.
If Seymour isn't playing I am sure the reason is more than valid.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

To sum it up, prior to this year Richard Seymour had played 90.625% of the regular season games in his career. That doesn't make him an ironman but it is hardly bad for a guy playing Dline.

He's missed some post season games as well - games we won with Jarvis on the field. And his incentives were in part tied to individual playoff appearances so it cost him and likely led to his 2005 holdout. He was ineffective in stretches last season as he tried to play through nagging injuries. He has missed at least 6 games and more likely at least half of this season.

In this league talent is only as valuable as it's ability to get on or stay on the field. Which in part likely explains why they "seemingly" overpaid Green a couple of years ago to be their primary backup LDE. In a bottom line business you have to add the fact that they felt compelled to do that to the cost of maintaining Richard Seymour on your roster.

 

[jct]

My 2 cents...

All the nervous Nellies need to take a chill pill.

I'd be willing to bet right now that BIG SEY is activated in time for the INDY game, and if healthy makes huge contributions in the playoffs.

Gez guys, we can speculate till the cows come home, but it changes nothing.
When on the field healthy Sey is a dominant ALL PRO athlete. I want him back healthy. If he comes back for the INDY game super, but as long as we have him for the playoffs thats great in my book.
Seymour is not getting traded. Thats just silliness.

OK, so if you don't like a rational logical analysis of this situation you can go caveman on me and can me a HOMER now.

Moss made our entire offense better, Sey makes our entire defnse better.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Do you actually believe that Jarvis freakin' Green is better than Richard Seymour? Really?

I don't even know what to say to some of these posters.

Say you disagree if you disagree. That's allowed.

But at least acknowledge that Jarvis is a talented player and we really don't lose a whole lot having him in there instead of Seymour.

And once you have acknowledged that, go further and admit that Green is an infintely more DEPENDABLE player than Seymour, who has now missed almost an entire NFL season's worth of regular games (15) in his 7-year career (87 out of 102).

Not to mention tanking it in the '03 AFC championship game against the Colts - a transgression for which I, personally, have never been able to forgive him.

And who DID step up in that win and lead the D-Line? None other than Jarvis "Whenever you call me, I'll be there" Green.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

My 2 cents...

All the nervous Nellies need to take a chill pill.

I'd be willing to bet right now that BIG SEY is activated in time for the INDY game, and if healthy makes huge contributions in the playoffs.

Gez guys, we can speculate till the cows come home, but it changes nothing.
When on the field healthy Sey is a dominant ALL PRO athlete. I want him back healthy. If he comes back for the INDY game super, but as long as we have him for the playoffs thats great in my book.
Seymour is not getting traded. Thats just silliness.

OK, so if you don't like a rational logical analysis of this situation you can go caveman on me and can me a HOMER now.

Moss made our entire offense better, Sey makes our entire defnse better.

Who's nervous?

We're 5-0.

He can sit all year for all I care.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Now go get your shinebox.

Now THAT'S good stuff, whether we agree on Big Pu-Sey or not.

Billy Batts is the man. Of course, until Tommy stuck the pen in his neck!

 

[jct]

Say you disagree if you disagree. That's allowed.

But at least acknowledge that Jarvis is a talented player and we really don't lose a whole lot having him in there instead of Seymour.

And once you have acknowledged that, go further and admit that Green is an infintely more DEPENDABLE player than Seymour, who has now missed almost an entire NFL season's worth of regular games (15) in his 7-year career (87 out of 102).

Not to mention tanking it in the '03 AFC championship game against the Colts - a transgression for which I have, personally, have never been able to forgive him.

And who DID step up in that win and lead the D-Line? None other than Jarvis "Whenever you call me, I'll be there" Green.

Why are you making an either or argument.
We have both players.
Seymour is a multiple ALL PRO.
So your argument 1) is not logical or 2) backed up by facts, why can't you wait patiently till he returns to health and production?

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

I'll try my best to be as inflammatory as possible since I am not now, nor ever
have been a Big Sey suckup. When he was good, he was very, very good.
He is not very, very good now for whatever reason. That is reality.

So, here goes:

I am concerned about Seymour. His performance has slipped precipitously on
the field. Whether that is due to injury, or attitude, or whatever, it is a huge
cause for concern. I have not seen any significant emphasis by an opponent on containing him when he is on the field. The next time I see him in the backfield of an opponent during a play I might not recognize him since it's been that long.

It is pretty much common knowledge that he is living off his past reputation.
Current performance (and availability) is pretty ordinary and there is no way he is earning his big green. Thanks for the memories Sey, but you're just another lineman these days, and an injured one at that!.

Excellent synopsis.

Some fans see this and some don't.

 

[patsox23]

NO ONE IS TRYING TO DIMINISH JARVIS GREEN. He's done a helluva job and continues to be a very valuable member of the team. Saying that Seymour is better than Jarvis is not a put-down. Seymour is an all-pro.

I think it's easy to say that "the Pats haven't missed anything with Jarvis in there," but misleading, as well. Seymour commands double- and triple-teams. Even though the D has been terrific, and Jarvis has done a really good job in there, that doesn't mean Seymour's presence won't be an uptick.

The willingness to baselessly dump Seymour on the side of the road as a dogging it has-been is truly astonishing. We'll see what happens when he returns. I'm pretty sure our side will be vindicated.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Why are you making an either or argument.
We have both players.
Seymour is a multiple ALL PRO.
So your argument 1) is not logical or 2) backed up by facts, why can't you wait patiently till he returns to health and production?

I guess my position is this:

Is Seymour more valuable to us on the field right now or should we just warehouse him and get some picks for him in the offseason?

We have the #1 defense in the league and Green is a HUGE part of that.

Whenever Hot Tub gets ready to come back, do you really want to disrupt the chemistry of the #1 defense in the league?

I say shut him down, put him on IR and get a second and fourth for him come draft day.

Green is here to stay and he actually SHOWS up on Sundays.

 

[patsox23]

Excellent synopsis.

Some fans see this and some don't.

Some see that blown-out-of-proportion, alleged "problems" with Seymour are a "huge concern?" I guess that's true. I don't see ANYTHING as a huge concern right now, outside of keeping #12 upright and avoiding catastrophic injury at any one position on the roster.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Seymour's career

Year Team Games/Starts
2001 Patriots 13/10
2002 Patriots 16/16
2003 Patriots 15/14
2004 Patriots 15/15
2005 Patriots 12/12
2006 Patriots 16/15


Yeah major durability issues.

Don't forget the 2003 AFC Championship Game where Big Pu-Sey sat on his cushy tushy while Jarvis Green terrorized Peyton Manning.

 

[The Boston Patriot]

We'll see what happens when he returns. I'm pretty sure our side will be vindicated.

I hope you are right. In fact, I pray you are right. I would like nothing better
than to see the guy who got the big contract earn his dough.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

So I'm a homer because I think Richard Seymour isn't dogging it and isn't now a bad player? Got it. Thanks, guys. Solid arguments.

PatsSox, no one is disputing his talent, but at what point do you say, "This guy just can't play in the NFL game and stay on the field."?

Seymour is an awesome talent - when he plays.

Walt Dropo was an enormous talent, too.