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Oh man I wish you were the Browns GM.

Trading a your whole draft for a player? Why not, RG3 got way more than that.

I rather have 2#1s than a teams full draft. It seemed 1/2 the posters think 2#1s is appropriate.
 
Type "Garoppolo Bears" on twitter. Decent amount of fans calling for the Bears to trade for him next year.

Ex: Bears football podcast host

@RossRead
#Bears trade a first or a second and third for Jimmy Garoppolo in the off-season?

@RossRead
@irascibledustin No decent QB's in this draft. Bears need their franchise guy bad.

Cutler now out extended time along with numerous defensive players. Bears are looking like a potential bottom 5 team.

A perfect trade partner is emerging if we choose to go down that route.
 
Type "Garoppolo Bears" on twitter. Decent amount of fans calling for the Bears to trade for him next year.

Ex: Bears football podcast host

@RossRead
#Bears trade a first or a second and third for Jimmy Garoppolo in the off-season?

@RossRead
@irascibledustin No decent QB's in this draft. Bears need their franchise guy bad.

Cutler now out extended time along with numerous defensive players. Bears are looking like a potential bottom 5 team.

A perfect trade partner is emerging if we choose to go down that route.


why would the bears trade for a qb when they're going to have to turn the whole roster over?
 
Type "Garoppolo Bears" on twitter. Decent amount of fans calling for the Bears to trade for him next year.

Ex: Bears football podcast host

@RossRead
#Bears trade a first or a second and third for Jimmy Garoppolo in the off-season?

@RossRead
@irascibledustin No decent QB's in this draft. Bears need their franchise guy bad.

Cutler now out extended time along with numerous defensive players. Bears are looking like a potential bottom 5 team.

A perfect trade partner is emerging if we choose to go down that route.

Did I read that correctly?

They think a #1 or a #2 and #3 will get it done?

Both of those offers combined are insufficient.
 
I think the value of quarterback has gone up even more over the last half dozen years.

What are the comps?
Cassel
Flynn
Schaub
Osweller

A first and a third from the Bears could end up being very good value. A first at 6 is way different than a first at 30.
 
People here are crazy. Sooner or later father time will catch up with tommy. I wish it wasn't the case but it will happen. How will brady's arm be when he's 40? Can he absorb a big hit at that age? I am not trading jimmy unless we get a good package. Maybe we can get a top 2 pick and draft a QB like brad kaaya from miami. I am high on him.

I don't think people who are for trading Garoppolo think Brady is going to be here for more than a few years (3-4 at most). I think we feel people may be overrating Garoppolo based on two quarters.

I am for trading Garoppolo because I think someone will offer a stupid deal with two or more first rounders and other picks. Belichick will be able to potentially turn that into 4-5 solid starters.

I am not sold on Garoppolo being anything more than a good, not great QB. If he turns into say Andy Dalton quality, would you rather have him or say two firsts (one in the top 5) and a second?
 
I'm so pissed with this injury, not because of the ****ing week 3 game result but because I wanted to see him playing the 4 games. I'm sold on him, have seen enough but 4 games would solidify this position and create a crazy market situation, I would like to see what BB would do.

Those 4 games would dictate our future, playing like he did yesterday there is no way you trade Jimmy G. Now with 2 or 3 games tops, it won't change much but if he has a normal to difficult game against the Bills, things will settle down a bit. I don't know, maybe the game to struggle would be Houston, Fitzmagic torched the Bills secondary, Jimmy can do it for sure, 3 great games is a hell of a sample.

I'm not going in the trade bandwagon but I said it weeks ago that if Jimmy were to perform well the baseline is 2 1st round picks based on how teams are desperate for good QBs. Now after yesterday I reaffirm this position and would go even further like 2 1st and a 2nd. Good QB's stabilize a team for years, any smart GM would rather spend a fortune on a sure QB than keep trying to play the draft wheel of fortune.

I still don't think 4 games is enough to judge a QB. It is certainly better than six quarters, but opposing teams are still developing a book on a QB with only four games. It was clear the Dolphins had no idea of his strengths and weaknesses since they played a defense where they expected him to hold onto the ball too long and be rattled by the up front pressure because of it. They never expected him to make quick decisions. It was only late in the second quarter when they adjusted to try to take away the short passes and force him to go through his progressions. And Garoppolo struggled a bit.
 
why would the bears trade for a qb when they're going to have to turn the whole roster over?

Because if you're tearing everything down and starting over, QB is the clear starting point. Your QB more or less determines what offense you're going to run, and if you want to get the most you can out of your offensive personnel your QB and his tendencies should probably inform everything from scheme to what receivers you draft/sign. Getting a QB early also means that, in the event you hit on a bunch of draft picks as part of the turnover, you'll know what you have in your QB by the time those picks are supposed to be coming into their own. In short, it maximizes your chances of having a settled QB situation as early as possible, which is what every team in the league is striving for.

Also means that they'll have a bunch of cap space and are looking for places to spend it, so giving an unproven QB like Jimmy a 4 year deal shouldn't be a major obstacle. Can always draft another QB in the 3rd or 4th as a low-cost backup and contingency plan.

The only reason why they may want to hold off on committing to a QB is if John Fox's job is not secure and they want a potential new coach to have his choice of quarterback.
 
Did I read that correctly?

They think a #1 or a #2 and #3 will get it done?

Both of those offers combined are insufficient.

I'm optimistically hope for more, but if the Pats traded Jimmy for a top 5 pick I definitely wouldn't complain.
 
I don't think people who are for trading Garoppolo think Brady is going to be here for more than a few years (3-4 at most). I think we feel people may be overrating Garoppolo based on two quarters.

I am for trading Garoppolo because I think someone will offer a stupid deal with two or more first rounders and other picks. Belichick will be able to potentially turn that into 4-5 solid starters.

I am not sold on Garoppolo being anything more than a good, not great QB. If he turns into say Andy Dalton quality, would you rather have him or say two firsts (one in the top 5) and a second?

I think another part of that is remembering how Garoppolo looked very early in his career. There was stuff to like--decisiveness, athleticism, solid arm--but he was extremely raw. Luckily, the guy was a notoriously hard worker so he put it together over the last two years. Based on that profile and what I've seen from Brissett, I'm confident that Brissett can be coached up to the point that we have a similar type of asset two years from now. Basically, I don't think there's a ton of risk that hindsight will show Jimmy to be "the one that got away". The same people who are going nuts about Garoppolo over 6 quarters of play now will likely be doing the same with Brissett if he starts a game in in 2018.
 
Did I read that correctly?

They think a #1 or a #2 and #3 will get it done?

Both of those offers combined are insufficient.

Definitely a reasonable viewpoint. However, the 2017 draft class is being compared to the 2011 class:

2011 NFL Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That draft produced two HOF pass rushers, a HOF LT, an all pro QB, two all pro WRs, and an all pro CB in the first 11 picks.

The uniqueness of the draft class would lead me to say yes to the trade. Myles Garrett could be our best pass rusher since Tippett and Fournette may be the best RB prospect in a decade. BB could also trade down and have an insane amount of ammo in a loaded draft.
 
Because if you're tearing everything down and starting over, QB is the clear starting point. Your QB more or less determines what offense you're going to run, and if you want to get the most you can out of your offensive personnel your QB and his tendencies should probably inform everything from scheme to what receivers you draft/sign. Getting a QB early also means that, in the event you hit on a bunch of draft picks as part of the turnover, you'll know what you have in your QB by the time those picks are supposed to be coming into their own. In short, it maximizes your chances of having a settled QB situation as early as possible, which is what every team in the league is striving for.

Also means that they'll have a bunch of cap space and are looking for places to spend it, so giving an unproven QB like Jimmy a 4 year deal shouldn't be a major obstacle. Can always draft another QB in the 3rd or 4th as a low-cost backup and contingency plan.

The only reason why they may want to hold off on committing to a QB is if John Fox's job is not secure and they want a potential new coach to have his choice of quarterback.

Makes zero sense

so you're going to dump a bunch of draft picks to get a QB, how you going to hit on those picks?
 
I used to be proud of the football acumen found on this site, but after reading the last 3 pages of this thread, I'm wondering if I didn't wander through a dimensional portal and this site turned into a version Felger and Mazz. :eek:

Fact: I it was awesome that JG has played so well for 5.5 quarters

Fact: It should be noted that Ryan Tannyhill's last 2 quarters was just as good as Jimmy's first 2 quarters. Anyone ready to replace Brady for Ryan Tannyhill??????? :rolleyes:

EVERY NFL QB who has played has had great games, yet very few have had great careers. A 2 game snap shot doesn't play well in the long term. That is not to say JG isn't going to have a great career. But the FACT is whether he does or not is very much up in the air, no matter how good a start this has been.

Does anyone on this site ACTUALLY believe that Jimmy Garapolo is a better QB, right now than Tom Brady? In fact does anyone believe that JG will be better than Brady over the next 2 years after this one?

Fact: The Pats CANNOT trade Tom Brady for the next 2 years because of the cap hit that would entail, and even though the cap hit we'd take in the 3rd year is better, it is STILL significant.

Fact: JG is going to be a FA days after the 2017 season ends.

Both the timing and cap logistics of keeping JG just don't make sense for the Pats both short and long term. Unless Brady just hits a wall, which is extremely unlikely, given his arduous preparations. JG is NOT going to be a better QB for the Pats over the next 3 years. And anyone who thinks otherwise just wrong. (no offense).

The best current example of short term QB success is none other than Colin Kapernick. For one glorious season he literally carried the 49er offense into a superbowl he almost won single handed. The league soon caught up to him and now he can't beat out Blaine freakin' Gabbert. This is a league that, once it gets a book on you, will expose EVERY flaw in your game.

And then there is the Jacoby Brissett factor. I would contend that, that although I am horrified that he's likely going to start on Thursday, he is MUCH further along in his development than JG was in his rookie year. Now that's not JG's fault, but more a product of their college backgrounds and experience. But the fact remains.

So who is to say that JB isn't going to be as good a QB as JG when TC comes in 2018 and he still has 2 more years to run on his contract.

So Trading Jimmy NOW just makes too much sense. Chicago, Cleveland, LA, Washington, etc, are ALL who would love to get someone who shows as much potential as JG, and still has a year on the cheap. JG would be a far smaller risk with just as much upside as ANY kid coming out of college in the draft. It would be well worth the multiple draft picks it would take to get him.

And the talk about trading or releasing Brady, is just for those fans who think anyone who is not on the Pats is better than what we have, and constantly start threads when ANY WR gets released :rolleyes: (no offense. ;) ) In other words it's just stupid.
 
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I don't think people who are for trading Garoppolo think Brady is going to be here for more than a few years (3-4 at most). I think we feel people may be overrating Garoppolo based on two quarters.

I am for trading Garoppolo because I think someone will offer a stupid deal with two or more first rounders and other picks. Belichick will be able to potentially turn that into 4-5 solid starters.

I am not sold on Garoppolo being anything more than a good, not great QB. If he turns into say Andy Dalton quality, would you rather have him or say two firsts (one in the top 5) and a second?
Andy Dalton with Bill coaching him wins SBs.
 
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