Any ideas on how to upgrade at TE?

[IllegalContact]

another guy to look at in the draft is FB devon johnson.......he could bring back the role played by AH, plus he's a brutal blocker

 

[Banjo]

We're not gonna find a Hernandez-like player with his skill set. It was extremely rare.

In any case, I'm much more interested in upgrading at WR. Outside of Edelman, I'm tired of these bums to tell you the truth

 

[RobertWeathers]

We're not gonna find a Hernandez-like player with his skill set. It was extremely rare.

In any case, I'm much more interested in upgrading at WR. Outside of Edelman, I'm tired of these bums to tell you the truth

Amendola and a 2014 LaFell are bums?

 

[Ross12]

We're not gonna find a Hernandez-like player with his skill set. It was extremely rare.

In any case, I'm much more interested in upgrading at WR. Outside of Edelman, I'm tired of these bums to tell you the truth

Let's just sign Matt Forte and then spend every draft pick on a WR. Bill is BOUND to strike gold eventually right?

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

I think Chandler has been a more productive, durable, dependable player than Allen. That's what establishes market value.



For multiple reasons - health, system, guys throwing to him, etc Allen hasn't had a solid year since 2012. He is more physically gifted than Chandler but so what? He isn't even close to duplicating his production which is what really determines market value.

Actually, how a team values him going forward is what determines market value and I can't imagine anybody in the universe preferring Chandler over Allen going forward, especially for the same money. Productivity levels based on different circumstance means very little. Durablity and dependability are basically the same thing, so Chandler is more durable largely based on Allen's missed season in 2013. I don't know what bearing that has going forward, espicially considering Chandler is 5 years older. BTW, there isn't a shot in Hell Chandler sees his $3 million salary from the Pats this year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Actually how a team values him going forward is what determines market value and I can't imagine anybody in the universe preferring Chandler over Allen going forward, especially for the same money.

I don't completely agree. Some teams pay for potential. Some for production. IMO the Pats pay for what you have done AND how they project your play moving forward. If we are talking about Alllen re: the Pats, I don't see them doing a 3yr/$8m for him. Too high for what he has done and his inability to stay healthy.

At this point Chandler would be lucky to see a little better than the vet minimum somewhere in 2016. He sucked here. With that said everyone and their mother liked what he did in BUF over the past 5 years and the potential he represented here.

Productivity levels based on different circumstance means very little. Durablity and dependability are basically the same thing, so Chandler is more durable largely based on Allen's missed season in 2013. Big deal, he is also 5 years older. BTW, there isn't a shot in Hell Chandler sees his $3 million salary from the Pats this year.

We disagree here. Past production & future projection means everything in deals. Pats projected Chandler to play well for two more years.

Durability is staying on the field. Dependability is doing something on it consistently.

Allen is coming off 3 straight seasons of injury and uneven to low production. Good players find a way to be productive. How does that project to a 3yr/$8m deal?

 

[JMC00]

In any case, I'm much more interested in upgrading at WR. Outside of Edelman, I'm tired of these bums to tell you the truth

LaFell and Amendola??

Ya they didn't win a SB with them or anything.......

 

[IllegalContact]

LaFell and Amendola??

Ya they didn't win a SB with them or anything.......

don't bother.....this thread is about TE's

which for some strange reason come ready to play as rookies much better than WR's

draft TE's.......sign WR's

 

[PatsFan2]

The Pats are fortunate enough to have the best tight end in the NFL. But behind Gronk, there is still much to be desired. Scott Chandler was supposed to transform the Patriots offense, but he collected only 259 yards and 4 touchdowns on 23 receptions, which is a major disappointment. Michael Williams is a quality blocking tight end, but doesn't offer much value as a receiver (with 26 yards on 3 receptions).

So if the Pats could improve upon either Chandler or Williams, how could we get it done?

BB is known for some off the wall Second Round Selection Tavon Wilson - Jordan Richards off my head. I wouldn't be a opposed to a TE with our Second Round Selection seems like we do better at Dratfing TE's. We land via the Draft: Gronk and the Criminal lets go that route again.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

I don't completely agree. Some teams pay for potential. Some for production. IMO the Pats pay for what you have done AND how they project your play moving forward. If we are talking about Alllen re: the Pats, I don't see them doing a 3yr/$8m for him. Too high for what he has done and his inability to stay healthy.

Pats don't give a damn what you've done if they don't think you can help them going forward. Chandler's production in Buffalo was largely due to absence of any other completion at the position. Allen stats were affected by the disarray at QB and the need for him to stay in and block, something Chandler is basically incapable of, much like Allen's teammate, the pass catching Fleener, who also ate into Allen's stats.

At this point Chandler would be lucky to see a little better than the vet minimum somewhere in 2016. He sucked here. With that said everyone and their mother liked what he did in BUF over the past 5 years and the potential he represented here.

Not me. And not any Buffalo fan who watched him those years.

We disagree here. Past production & future projection means everything in deals. Pats projected Chandler to play well for two more years.

Except that you left out the future projection part out of your original response.

Durability is staying on the field. Dependability is doing something on it consistently.

Chandler's durability allowed teams to depend on him to play poor to mediocre football consistently.

Allen is coming off 3 straight seasons of injury and uneven to low production. Good players find a way to be productive. How does that project to a 3yr/$8m deal?

He was needed to stay in and block in the Colt's dumpster fire of an offense, He has shown to be capable in the passing game, he has shown to be a good blocker and he is still relatively young. Allen is simply the better player and well worth the money the Pats paid Chandler this year IMO. If you don't see that I don't know what to tell you, believe what you want to believe. No sense in continuing this discussion.

 

[PatsFan2]

LaFell and Amendola??

Ya they didn't win a SB with them or anything.......

That's like so two years ago...you been under a rock dude?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Pats don't give a damn what you've done if they don't think you can help them going forward. Chandler's production in Buffalo was largely due to absence of any other completion at the position. Allen stats were affected by the disarray at QB and the need for him to stay in and block, something Chandler is basically incapable of, much like Allen's teammate, the pass catching Fleener, who also ate into Allen's stats.

Pats absolutely care if you have A) stayed on the field and B) if you were productive. Allen didn't catch a lot of balls because he wasn't as good or as healthy at Fleener.

Not me. And not any Buffalo fan who watched him those years.

People I know liked him. He killed the Pats. Sub-standard blocker no question.

Except that you left out the future projection part out of your original response.

Implied. Should have stated it.

Chandler's durability allowed teams to depend on him to play poor to mediocre football consistently.

That and he caught the ball. If a player is good he plays. If a player sucks he sits. See his time here. Wasn't a fit. Very possible Chandler goes somewhere else and catches 50 balls because he fits

He was needed to stay in and block in the Colt's dumpster fire of an offense, He has shown to be capable in the passing game, he has shown to be a good blocker and he is still relatively young. Allen is simply the better player and well worth the money the Pats paid Chandler this year IMO. If you don't see that I don't know what to tell you, believe what you want to believe. No sense in continuing this discussion.

I think Allen is ok and has good upside but there is no way I commit $8m for a player who has 46 catches over the last 3 years because he was hurt each year

 

[Galeb]

Chandler certainly has some issues catching the football and seems to be inconsistent with his physicality. I'm not sure how much his injury affected his production and integration into the offense, but if the Pats could develop him further, he could be the answer. Hopefully he's glued to the juggs machine this offseason and works on his leverage and concentration.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Chandler certainly has some issues catching the football and seems to be inconsistent with his physicality. I'm not sure how much his injury affected his production and integration into the offense, but if the Pats could develop him further, he could be the answer. Hopefully he's glued to the juggs machine this offseason and works on his leverage and concentration.

8 freaking drops in 42 targets. Brutal.

 

[jmt57]

While it would be nice to upgrade the tight end position, it's probably not feasible. There is only so much a team can do in one off-season, and tight end is pretty low on the list of priorities.

While the Patriots do not have much to be concerned with in regards to their own players becoming free agents next month, they have several that are set to become free agents after 2016. Jamie Collins, Dont'a Hightower are all entering the final year of their contract, as are Logan Ryan, Duron Harmon and Jabaal Sheard. Malcolm Butler will be a restricted free agent a year from now.

On top of that Rob Ninkovich, Sebastian Vollmer and Alan Branch will all turn 32 next year - and also be unrestricted free agents. In some (if not all) cases the search for their replacements needs to be start now, not in 2017. And although the Pats primarily use a 4-2-5 defense, a replacement for Jerod Mayo is needed too.

All this is before we even look at wide receiver, running back or the rest of the offensive line. Danny Amendola is set to make $5 million and take up $6.8 million in cap space; do the Pats dump both him and LaFell, and hope that whomever is brought in can learn the system and avoid injury?

The Pats won't be drafting until #60 and #92, and neither of those selections should be used on a tight end. With all those extensions to be considered, anybody brought in as a free agent TE is probably going to be a low end, vet minimum type of player.

This position should be nothing more than an afterthought in terms of upgrades this off-season.

 

[Gronk]

What's our best guess for what Ben Watsons looking at in terms of money? Get rich cos he had a big year or maybe available at reasonable money?

 

[Off The Grid]

A couple years ago a lot of us wanted one of Austin Sefarian Jenkins, Jace Amaro, Eric Ebron (almost impossible to go past the top 15 at the time) and Fiedorowicz or something like that. None of them really impressed, I think Jace Amaro could have done well here with his size but he is a Jets injury prone player now.

Most people had major question marks about those TEs. Ebron was highly regarded, but the rest were questioned as much as they were praised. That group has worked out pretty much as people thought it would, if memory serves.

That's definitely correct, at least as it pertains to the draft forum here. There was a lot of skepticism about all of those guys. I specifically remember that Off The Grid made a huge picture of Frankenstein saying "I'm open!" when describing Fiedorowicz, that one really made me laugh....

Hah!! Thank you for remembering that one, Brother Thor!! My God, I hated Fiedorowicz!!

I actually mocked both TE Travis Kelce and XE Jordan Reed to us in 2013.

I've certainly made my share of Dumb Ass Moves...

But those weren't among'm.

 

[patsfan-1982]

i think a upgrade at backup OT would help the team a millions times more then a backup TE. cannon needs to go he is not a good back up at all

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I say draft baby Gronk in the late rounds he can be both FB and TE. I was excited about the Chandler signing, I don't know if his poor production was due to injury or incompetence. I guess if the Pat's don't cut him, they believe it was injury related.

For blocking type TE, the Hooman is a FA.

 

[patman52]

Dwayne Allen. Heck of a good TE when healthy, solid blocker and pass catcher but is injury prone, which could keep his price down. Maybe offer a 3 year $8 million contract. Team him up with Gronk and they'd dominate.

He is my choice, but I don't see him playing for that contract. I think he would want a one year deal and hope playing here will pay off down the road.