OT: Cam Newton & the race card

[Tony2046]

Your wild guess at my intentions and feelings is far from accurate. Racism doesn't change simply because you use numbers to justify it. It's ironic, people on the opposite end of the spectrum as you consider me racist instead of self-righteous.

Try taking this test. In fact, I urge everyone to take it.
Race IAT

That was an interesting test.

 

[dannydyn]

Imagine if some Broncs fans hung up Broncos banners at Gilette.

So? I wouldn't have an issue with a Pats fan doing something to that flag, just like I wouldn't have minded if a Carolina fan did something to those Packers/Seahawks flags. But for your QUARTERBACK to do something like that?!?!? - The league's presumed MVP nonetheless? You ****ing kidding me?!??!? Imagine Brady running over to the end zone, and tearing a 12th Man flag.... HOLY CRAP, the 5hit storm the media would create.... But then again, that's why Tom Brady is Tom 'CLASS ACT' Brady, and Cam Newton is a primadonna *****.

 

[Fencer]

So what was it like living in a cave from 2001 to 2009? You missed some great football here in New England!

Nice line in service of a bad cause.

The supposedly-serious underlying point illustrates a big part of what's wrong with politics, in the US and probably many other countries as well.

 

[Fencer]

This makes absolutely no sense. Tell me HOW I was using numbers to "justify" racism??? I wasn't attempting to "justify" anything -- there was no judgment involved on my behalf. I simply was citing the results of scientifically compiled studies. Observation of the fact that a higher percentage of interracial marriages end in divorce is not an expression of, or attempt to "justify," racism. It merely is empirical data logically confirming the premise that couples of like background are more likely to have successful marriages. It most certainly is NOT a racially motivated condemnation (by me) of mixed marriage, as you seem to be implying.

Certainly, there are many successful interracial marriages and that's great. But going back to @1960Pats' rhetorical question starting all this: yes, it appears that partnering with someone you share fundamental things in common with -- including race, religion and culture -- is sound advice, giving you better odds of succeeding over the long haul. Most folks would call that basic common sense vs. racism. But if you want to see it as racist, knock yourself out.

Why is race a "fundamental thing" to have in common (or not in common) with another person?

 

[Fencer]

You're ignoring the points you made in your last post, where you listed things you felt were wrong with Bush in response to the fact that many people on the left compared Bush to Hitler. Probably smart to try and get past that.

You're also continuing to make excuses for those who would compare Bush to Hitler, saying that "few people....actually" believed it. In doing so, you're excusing their language and ascribing loftier motives to them, for whatever reason you may have to do that. At the same time, you take the opposite leap with criticism of Obama, jumping immediately and aggressively to the position that his critics are racist.

If you tied yourself into any more knots with this, we'd have to serve you with mustard.

Anybody who cares can try to compare your characterizations of my posts with my actual posts. The differences are considerable.

I'd recommend against the effort; it seems like a recipe for a headache. But if they actually want to try, they can.

 

[Fencer]

I guess you could argue that if Obama was white and had a christian name he would have received even more votes

That's exactly what I'm NOT arguing.

Rather, I claim that a bunch of people who would have been anti-Obama anyway are MORE anti-Obama because of his race.

 

[TBR]

So? I wouldn't have an issue with a Pats fan doing something to that flag, just like I wouldn't have minded if a Carolina fan did something to those Packers/Seahawks flags. But for your QUARTERBACK to do something like that?!?!? - The league's presumed MVP nonetheless? You ****ing kidding me?!??!? Imagine Brady running over to the end zone, and tearing a 12th Man flag.... HOLY CRAP, the 5hit storm the media would create.... But then again, that's why Tom Brady is Tom 'CLASS ACT' Brady, and Cam Newton is a primadonna *****.

Yeah the snatching of a fan's banner/sign (2+ times) was pretty douchey as well. Add that to the list for people who think this has to do with skin color.

Regardless, I'll still be cheering every pass, TD and run of his on Sunday.

 

[Tunescribe]

Why is race a "fundamental thing" to have in common (or not in common) with another person?

The answer to your question is self-evident (if it truly is a question).

 

[Galeb]

That was an interesting test.

Yup, and I'd bet there's a bunch of folks still yapping that didn't take it. I'm actually glad this came as I hadn't thought of the test in years.

 

[Galeb]

This makes absolutely no sense. Tell me HOW I was using numbers to "justify" racism??? I wasn't attempting to "justify" anything -- there was no judgment involved on my behalf. I simply was citing the results of scientifically compiled studies. Observation of the fact that a higher percentage of interracial marriages end in divorce is not an expression of, or attempt to "justify," racism. It merely is empirical data logically confirming the premise that couples of like background are more likely to have successful marriages. It most certainly is NOT a racially motivated condemnation (by me) of mixed marriage, as you seem to be implying.

Certainly, there are many successful interracial marriages and that's great. But going back to @1960Pats' rhetorical question starting all this: yes, it appears that partnering with someone you share fundamental things in common with -- including race, religion and culture -- is sound advice, giving you better odds of succeeding over the long haul. Most folks would call that basic common sense vs. racism. But if you want to see it as racist, knock yourself out.

That's seems like an awful lot of justification for someone who threw out the term self righteousness . Did you even take the test I linked?

 

[Tony2046]

That's exactly what I'm NOT arguing.

Rather, I claim that a bunch of people who would have been anti-Obama anyway are MORE anti-Obama because of his race.

Aren't they mutually conclusive? IF you would be MORE anti-Obama because of his race wouldn't you then be MORE pro Obama because of his race as well?

And doesn't that support your argument indirectly?

 

[Tony2046]

@PlanB

Don't mind the dislike just curious of what it is you disagree with. Thanks

 

[Fencer]

Aren't they mutually conclusive? IF you would be MORE anti-Obama because of his race wouldn't you then be MORE pro Obama because of his race as well?

And doesn't that support your argument indirectly?

I'm fine with that. Obama lost some votes because he was black and also gained some votes because he was black, probably more due to turnout in each case than to people explicitly changing from one candidate to another.

But my main point in this thread is a different one: People who would have voted against Obama no matter what his skin color is hate him more strongly than they would if he were white.

 

[Tunescribe]

That's seems like an awful lot of justification for someone who threw out the term self righteousness . Did you even take the test I linked?

There was no attempt at justification or sense of righteousness in my response to your nonsensical claim of racism, just umbrage. In retrospect it does look like I killed your dirty little flea with a sledgehammer.

Yes, I wasted a few minutes on your test to reach the incredible revelation that I view black and white children with equal favor.

 

[Galeb]

But my main point in this thread is a different one: People who would have voted against Obama no matter what his skin color is hate him more strongly than they would if he were white.

Perhaps if you used the word "some" in the statement it wouldn't be such utter ********.

 

[Galeb]

There was no attempt at justification or sense of righteousness in my response to your nonsensical claim of racism, just umbrage. In retrospect it does look like I killed your dirty little flea with a sledgehammer.

Yes, I wasted a few minutes on your test to reach the incredible revelation that I view black and white children with equal favor.

If what you just wrote were true... you would be in a tiny minority. I just took the test and got the same result I got many years ago. A more precise articulation of the test results, which is part of why they word it so specifically, would have been more convincing.



A friend of mine helped develop this test, and the numbers he shared back in the early 2000s were shocking. I truly hope they have improved since then.

 

[Tunescribe]

If what you just wrote were true... you would be in a tiny minority. I just took the test and got the same result I got many years ago..

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Super.

 

[Fencer]

Perhaps if you used the word "some" in the statement it wouldn't be such utter ********.

It should be clear from context that the word-sense of "people" I meant is the one that's equivalent to "some people", not the one that means "all people".

But you're right -- I should have included the extra word, just in case somebody read my post at a time when their brain wasn't working very well.

 

[Joker]

what brain?

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

The difference between Gronks & Bradys celebrations in comparison to Cams Celebrations, are the fact that Brady and Gronks are much more natural and genuine, and often include other team mates. Where Newton's are purely choreographed and planned, with the sole intention of bringing all the attention to himself, and boosting his already arrogant and huge ego.