Andrew Luck a bust!

[JJDChE]

The dumbassery of this board when it comes to evaluating players on opposing teams may be as bad as anything the Jets boards have to offer.

Sad but true. I'd bet most NFL GMs take Luck right now over any other QB for a franchise QB.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sad but true. I'd bet most NFL GMs take Luck right now over any other QB for a franchise QB.

I don't know about that, but Patsfans.com posters are much less realistic about opposition personnel than are the Red Sox, Celtics or Bruins forums posters. There's a real blind spot about it around here.

 

[Banjo]

If the Colts offered Luck for Brady straight up, Belichick would take five minutes to think about it and then do it. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Rob0729]

People keep bringing up that Luck carried the team, but his out of division record sucks and, as we saw this year with Luck out, everyone in the AFC South plays keep away from the the division title. The division was a neck and neck battle between Matt Hasselbeck and the combination of Brian Hoyer/TJ Yates/Brandon Weedon.

But look at his winning percentage out of the division. He was 5-5 outside the division both 2013 and 2014. He was 7-3 his rookie season. He was 1-5 outside the division this year (2-5 overall). And he is 3-3 in the playoffs. If you are going to judge him on his "carrying the team" to wins, he is an average QB outside the AFC South.

 

[Ivan]

This is one of my favorites. Don't hurt your neck going down that list to Luck's career number...

Completion %
A.J. McCarron _ 0.664
Drew Brees _ 0.664
Aaron Rodgers _ 0.658
Peyton Manning _ 0.655
Tony Romo _ 0.653
Kirk Cousins _ 0.652
Chase Daniel _ 0.649
Philip Rivers _ 0.648
Teddy Bridgewater _ 0.648
Russell Wilson _ 0.647
Jimmy Garoppolo _ 0.645
Matt Ryan _ 0.643
Matt Schaub _ 0.64
Robert Griffin _ 0.639
Tom Brady _ 0.635
Ben Roethlisberger _ 0.633
Tyrod Taylor _ 0.629
Carson Palmer _ 0.627
Austin Davis _ 0.624
Andy Dalton _ 0.623
Marcus Mariota _ 0.622
Jay Cutler _ 0.62
Shaun Hill _ 0.62
Ryan Tannehill _ 0.619
Scott Tolzien _ 0.615
Matt Flynn _ 0.613
Brock Osweiler _ 0.613
Joe Flacco _ 0.609
Matthew Stafford _ 0.609
Thad Lewis _ 0.608
Luke McCown _ 0.607
Matt Hasselbeck _ 0.605
Colt McCoy _ 0.603
Zach Mettenberger _ 0.603
Nick Foles _ 0.602
Sam Bradford _ 0.601
Ryan Fitzpatrick _ 0.601
Matt Barkley _ 0.6
Colin Kaepernick _ 0.599
Tarvaris Jackson _ 0.596
Derek Carr _ 0.596
Cam Newton _ 0.595
Alex Smith _ 0.595
Josh McCown _ 0.595
Eli Manning _ 0.593
Chad Henne _ 0.593
E.J. Manuel _ 0.591
Matt Moore _ 0.589
Matt Cassel _ 0.589
Mike Glennon _ 0.588
Blake Bortles _ 0.587
Kellen Moore _ 0.587
Matt McGloin _ 0.584
Jameis Winston _ 0.583
Dan Orlovsky _ 0.582
Landry Jones _ 0.582
T.J. Yates _ 0.581
Andrew Luck _ 0.581
Brian Hoyer _ 0.581

The funny thing is I didn't even have to get into the puke teams he gets to play each year or the fact that he gets to play most of his games in ideal conditions (just like PEDton). His putrid completion % is enough all on it's own.

Yep, most Qb's who are asked to play a deep passing game with a bad OL, and sucky run game thrive statistically.

The worst thing, that happened to Luck was Arians moving on and if he, hasn't already signed long term, he should make it clear he is leaving at his first opportunity because Grigson, Irsay, and Pagano, are going to, ruin what could have been an outstanding career. Luck needs to take the radical, route Elway once took and tell Indy he will never, play another down for them and force them into a trade, if they won't do it he should sit out until they do. That's a really poorly run franchise that doubled down on those who run it poorly. I feel, bad for the guy, great prospect who is stuck in Methville.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

He looked like a top 10 QB, two years ago,
a top 5 QB, one year ago,
and not even a top 20 QB this year, BEFORE injury.

I think this year was likely an anomaly and he's a top 5 (or very nearly so) guy, but right now give me Brady, Rodgers, Newton, Palmer, Brees, and Wilson before him.

That is nowhere near a bust.
That is nowhere near a lock hall-of-famer

 

[1960Pats]

I've been calling this boy a bust since draft day, so far he has lived up to my expectations. People keep bringing up his stats, but who cares about 4,000 yards? This bust has benefitted from new rules designed to glamorize the QB position, the pitiful AFC south, and crap defenses outside of his division. I have never seen him show up against a good team. Media and brainwashed fans give Dalton a hard time because "he can't beat good teams" or "he can't win in the playoffs," yet the scrub down in Indy gets a pass. Having a QB for a daddy is something ain't it? See the PEDton excuses and lies.

Stafford stats are great too, and he sucks. I'm sure no-one would argue against that, but then again excuses are made for every day for Andrew Luck. It must be nice.

One of those excuses came up right after your post.

 

[1960Pats]

He looked like a top 10 QB, two years ago,
a top 5 QB, one year ago,
and not even a top 20 QB this year, BEFORE injury.

I think this year was likely an anomaly and he's a top 5 (or very nearly so) guy, but right now give me Brady, Rodgers, Newton, Palmer, Brees, and Wilson before him.

That is nowhere near a bust.
That is nowhere near a lock hall-of-famer

I call that average. Some might disagree.

Even when he has plenty of time he misses on more passes than he should. He seems to sail a lot of them high and doesn't appear to see what's happening in front of him as well as some of the better QBs.

He's lucky that pappa Oliver is good friends with Archie Manning. The hype machine is in full force.

 

[1960Pats]

Yes, using his rookie year and an injury plagued season as half his data, rather than noting what he'd become in years 2 and 3, is the smart way to go...

All but 1 or 2 of his 55 CAREER games have been played injury free, but yes, let's only count his best seasons. And by all means forget about the 12 wins against AFCS teams with a combined record that was 42 games under .500 for those glory years, not to mention the other stiffs he played against then.

 

[1960Pats]

People keep bringing up that Luck carried the team, but his out of division record sucks and, as we saw this year with Luck out, everyone in the AFC South plays keep away from the the division title. The division was a neck and neck battle between Matt Hasselbeck and the combination of Brian Hoyer/TJ Yates/Brandon Weedon.

But look at his winning percentage out of the division. He was 5-5 outside the division both 2013 and 2014. He was 7-3 his rookie season. He was 1-5 outside the division this year (2-5 overall). And he is 3-3 in the playoffs. If you are going to judge him on his "carrying the team" to wins, he is an average QB outside the AFC South.

Watch it or you'll be labeled dumb by a couple of the "experts" here.

 

[metrowest]

Where's Edelman? I thought he had the highest Completion % in the NFL

This is one of my favorites. Don't hurt your neck going down that list to Luck's career number...

Completion %
A.J. McCarron _ 0.664
Drew Brees _ 0.664
Aaron Rodgers _ 0.658
Peyton Manning _ 0.655
Tony Romo _ 0.653
Kirk Cousins _ 0.652
Chase Daniel _ 0.649
Philip Rivers _ 0.648
Teddy Bridgewater _ 0.648
Russell Wilson _ 0.647
Jimmy Garoppolo _ 0.645
Matt Ryan _ 0.643
Matt Schaub _ 0.64
Robert Griffin _ 0.639
Tom Brady _ 0.635
Ben Roethlisberger _ 0.633
Tyrod Taylor _ 0.629
Carson Palmer _ 0.627
Austin Davis _ 0.624
Andy Dalton _ 0.623
Marcus Mariota _ 0.622
Jay Cutler _ 0.62
Shaun Hill _ 0.62
Ryan Tannehill _ 0.619
Scott Tolzien _ 0.615
Matt Flynn _ 0.613
Brock Osweiler _ 0.613
Joe Flacco _ 0.609
Matthew Stafford _ 0.609
Thad Lewis _ 0.608
Luke McCown _ 0.607
Matt Hasselbeck _ 0.605
Colt McCoy _ 0.603
Zach Mettenberger _ 0.603
Nick Foles _ 0.602
Sam Bradford _ 0.601
Ryan Fitzpatrick _ 0.601
Matt Barkley _ 0.6
Colin Kaepernick _ 0.599
Tarvaris Jackson _ 0.596
Derek Carr _ 0.596
Cam Newton _ 0.595
Alex Smith _ 0.595
Josh McCown _ 0.595
Eli Manning _ 0.593
Chad Henne _ 0.593
E.J. Manuel _ 0.591
Matt Moore _ 0.589
Matt Cassel _ 0.589
Mike Glennon _ 0.588
Blake Bortles _ 0.587
Kellen Moore _ 0.587
Matt McGloin _ 0.584
Jameis Winston _ 0.583
Dan Orlovsky _ 0.582
Landry Jones _ 0.582
T.J. Yates _ 0.581
Andrew Luck _ 0.581
Brian Hoyer _ 0.581

The funny thing is I didn't even have to get into the puke teams he gets to play each year or the fact that he gets to play most of his games in ideal conditions (just like PEDton). His putrid completion % is enough all on it's own.

 

[1960Pats]

If the Colts offered Luck for Brady straight up, Belichick would take five minutes to think about it and then do it. Don't kid yourself.

Are you kidding? Brady is a 6th round pick at the very end of his career and Luck is a QB who was the top pick in the draft 4 years ago. I'm sure that Denver would trade Manning straight up for Luck too. What's your point?

 

[1960Pats]

Where's Edelman? I thought he had the highest Completion % in the NFL

Funny you would say that because I was going to throw in some of the QBs who have only played a game or two, but one of the Luck rumpswabs would have blown a gasket.

All this just because I called him average.

 

[JJDChE]

People keep bringing up that Luck carried the team, but his out of division record sucks and, as we saw this year with Luck out, everyone in the AFC South plays keep away from the the division title. The division was a neck and neck battle between Matt Hasselbeck and the combination of Brian Hoyer/TJ Yates/Brandon Weedon.

But look at his winning percentage out of the division. He was 5-5 outside the division both 2013 and 2014. He was 7-3 his rookie season. He was 1-5 outside the division this year (2-5 overall). And he is 3-3 in the playoffs. If you are going to judge him on his "carrying the team" to wins, he is an average QB outside the AFC South.

The team sucks. He carried them to 11-5 records the last three years. Put Hoyer/Yates/Weeden on those Colts teams and they are 4 win teams. The talent level was totally in the ****ter by the time Luck took over. The drafts since he got there have been complete garbage as well. He's carrying what should be a bottom dweller to yearly playoff appearances.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Funny you would say that because I was going to throw in some of the QBs who have only played a game or two, but one of the Luck rumpswabs would have blown a gasket.

All this just because I called him average.

Average, among 32 starting NFL QBs, would be about 16th best. Can you please list for us the 15 QBs you would rather have, assuming everyone is healthy, for your starting QB for the opening game of the 2016 season?

I despise the Colts with the intensity of a thousand burning suns, but to call Luck "average" among all current NFL QBs, for a career, is pretty darn silly. Yes, he was awful this year (and I loved it!). Average is a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

 

[Rob0729]

The team sucks. He carried them to 11-5 records the last three years. Put Hoyer/Yates/Weeden on those Colts teams and they are 4 win teams. The talent level was totally in the ****ter by the time Luck took over. The drafts since he got there have been complete garbage as well. He's carrying what should be a bottom dweller to yearly playoff appearances.

And that makes him a very good, but not elite QB. Brady or Rodgers have taken worse teams to the playoffs in tougher divisions. Hell, Brady had a worse team about a minute away from going to the Super Bowl in 2006 and probably would have won the Super Bowl if he did win the AFCCG. In a real division, the Colts under Luck would be a 6-9 win team.

 

[Deus Irae]

All but 1 or 2 of his 55 CAREER games have been played injury free, but yes, let's only count his best seasons. And by all means forget about the 12 wins against AFCS teams with a combined record that was 42 games under .500 for those glory years, not to mention the other stiffs he played against then.

He was a rookie in his first year, obviously, and his numbers as a rookie are more than fine for a rookie. His next two seasons showed great progress, and he was clearly considered a top QB by pretty much everyone at the end of last season. This year, he had a slow start, played through a bad injury, and then missed the rest of the season.

None of this is not common knowledge.

And, as far as the division argument, we used to hear that same nonsense about Brady.

 

[rochrist]

The team sucks. He carried them to 11-5 records the last three years. Put Hoyer/Yates/Weeden on those Colts teams and they are 4 win teams. The talent level was totally in the ****ter by the time Luck took over. The drafts since he got there have been complete garbage as well. He's carrying what should be a bottom dweller to yearly playoff appearances.

The AFC South is carrying them to playoff appearances. If the Colts played in a real division, they wouldn't be making the playoffs.

 

[JJDChE]

The AFC South is carrying them to playoff appearances. If the Colts played in a real division, they wouldn't be making the playoffs.

They would be a bottom dweller without Luck no matter which division they were in.

 

[farn]

Luck may indeed become a VG QB. But he's thrown lotsa INTs. Some of them were ugly in big spots.

As to "average"... I don't think you can argue that an average QB in 2016 is 16th best. An average QB, when you consider at least several seasons, is more accurate because some of the QB play this year has just been putrid. There are other seasons Luck would easily be in the teens - perhaps even 16th.

It's still early, but I don't think Luck will be the sure HoFer some media members referred to him as.