2016 Draft Prospect Thread

[manxman2601]

I agree with you on most of that.

• Treadwell is not going below 5, and not just because hes the top WR. Hes a legit talent and I cant see a reason he would possibly fall
• Tunsil at 5 is a headscratcher to me. He is the top pick, no questions asked. There are other talents, but that one stood out as odd
• If 60-100 is a true picture of range where some of these guys willf all, this is a heck of a draft. If we had 5 3rds and nothing else, you could have 5 starters/key backups in 2 years.
• sterling shepherd isnt falling out of the 2nd. No way, no how. Tough, smart, athletic, leader, productive. Doug Baldwin gets thrown around, but its Deion branch for me.
• Deonte Caroo cant go that high, can he? I just dont see anything that gets me excited.
• Sua Cravens has forever been my prototypical linebacker that we are missing right now. Hurts that hes listed at 31
• Noah Spence at 41 is going to be really intriguing. All world talent, drug addict, supposedly clean. He has probably the fastest step around the corner I have ever seen from an edge rusher, but also gets held up on runs alot, or runs right around the play. May not be a more talented guy in the draft
• Hunter Henry keeps moving up as I expected, while OJ howard is slipping. He is the type of guy where even one big bowl game could move him up a round. He just hasnt had a single game, and he needs that tape desparately
• I still like Prosise over Collins, but its a pick'em situation stylistically. They are back to back on the rankings
• Interested to see if Vadal Alexander rockets up boards through combines and physicals.
• Justin Simmons is getting some interest among safeties, but those hips worry me for our D. He will get grouped with other late day 2, day 3 guys. He has the instincts and ball skills
• People keep complaining about this TE class, but I think its better than its been. I am not convinced that Engram isnt coming out yet. He could be an early 2nd at this point. Had a great bowl
• De'Runnya is really low compared to other things I have read. I havent checked him out at all, but that stood out
• Byron Marshall in the 5? yes please.
• James bradberry in the 6th? YES
• Terrance Smith in the 7th? Passed out
• Kolby Listenbee will get a lot of pub around the combine for his incredible numbers. He is not a football player, at least not yet. He runs go routes all day. Eric Murray did a number on him, and Murray is not in his stratosphere athletically.
• Derek Watt is going to land somewhere. He has the genes and enough athleticsm for a fb to stick.

Great breakdown.

• It's funny what you said about Carroo. Intellectually I found it hard to grade him much lower than Doctson or Boyd but man! I so so much prefer those two over Carroo.
• I would love Shepherd, especially if they move Amendola on.
• You are right about Spence. Alex Mcalister of Florida is another interesting one. Probably doesn't fit us because he's too slight to set an edge, but for someone of his length, he can get really low around the edge.
• re cravens. It won't be him but I wouldn't rule out a smaller linebacker - BB has been toying with the idea of speed from his linebacker corps but has yet to commit. Think Matthew Wells, wesley Woodyard, Dekoda Watson. I have a bit of a hunch about Eric Striker if he falls to day three. He might not make it out of camp but I can see BB/Patricia looking for interesting ways to use him schematically.

If Matt Miller is right, LOVE the third and fourth round values. This depth is largely going to be about depth anyway so I'd actually be fine with trading back from 64, picking up as many picks as possible and then using camp and pre-season to see which of the many picks sticks. Heck, draft two WRs, two linebackers, two RBs and two CBs and judge which one is the best. Of course we'll need a RT too.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

Striker is an interesting player to me. He clearly doesnt have the bulk you would usually imagine, but hes a solid tackler who plays on the line more than you would think. I wish they used him more in coverage than they do, since that would be his primary role in our defense. Could be a huge transition for him to the pros, but his aggressiveness and ability to play over his weight makes me think he will find a role somewhere.

Caroo, i mean, what is he? Hes got good size, but you can barely tell. Hes had good stats and after the catch numbers, but he doesnt seem to have plus athleticsm. Decent hands, nothing special. Routes are pretty basic as well. Seems like a pretty typical JAG to me, but is sure to be drafted fairly early.

 

[Gabriel_p94]

I've been meaning to look at millers board. I was wondering where Bucky Hodges fell on the board. From what I've been reading he is pretty good athletically it's just that he is raw. But if Evan engram comes out then I'm all for taking him.

 

[midwestpatsfan]

• Think he has Treadwell too low and Michael Thomas too high. I wasn't especially impressed by Thomas, think there's some serious risk to his game.
• I like that he has Jack, Ramsey, Alexander and Buckner in the top 10. I would have Ramsey higher than 8 though.
• For me, 45 is WAY too low for Bullard. I think he's a better prospect than Easley personally and he'd be a top 20 pick as far as I'm concerned.
• Cayleb Jones at 68 really surprised me. He's someone I highlighted and really like but he could run a 4.7 as a WR. I think of him more as a priority day 3 pick personally. Having said that, if I was looking for a WR that offers size and a deep threat, Jones is one of my favourites despite his seemingly slow speed.
• Sterling Shepherd is too low. Only a slot guy but I love his tape. After the success of Tyler Lockett, I'd be cautious about letting dynamic receivers fall too far.
• Just noticed he has Steven Daniels at 144 and LeRaven Clark at 155. I would snap both of those up at that range. Daniels is an outstanding linebacker moving forward but is problematic in coverage.
• He also has Derrick Henry, Kevin Peterson, Rashard Higgins, Braxton Miller and Alex Collins in the 3rd round. sign me up for all five at that level.
• Jonathan Williams as a 5th rounder. Yes please on getting first round talent in the 5th round!

I liked his BB. There was nothing I found particularly offensive to it.

Edit: @I.M. Fletcher . What about you?

I try to avoid others rankings, especially this early in the process, but I wanted to comment on a few of these. Miller and Collins in the 3rd is crazy to me. I am a huge Collins fan and would be happy with him in the 2nd, so sign me up. LeRaven Clark that low seems crazy. Jonathan Williams in the 5th would be crazy too. I think the Patriots have a chance to get a good RB in this draft.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

I've been meaning to look at millers board. I was wondering where Bucky Hodges fell on the board. From what I've been reading he is pretty good athletically it's just that he is raw. But if Evan engram comes out then I'm all for taking him.

As of now Hodges hasnt declared yet. He could end up being a really high pick, but he has a lot of room for development as well. Selfishly I hope he does, since it will push at least one more TE within range for the Pats.

 

[manxman2601]

No Will Likely.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

No Will Likely.

strange, not the type of guy who usually benefits from coming back. He isnt going to all of a sudden find an extra 4 inches in college.

He might banged up more than revealed and was worried he wouldnt be able to perform at the combine like he will need to.

Oh well, saving my spot for him in our 4th round next year.

 

[midwestpatsfan]

No Will Likely.

That is not the corner from that school that I am interested in. I am watching Sean Davis right now and there is a lot to like from his film so far. I am trying to convince myself I have enough beer left to sit through the Maryland vs. Iowa game right now. Tough decisions.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm really thinking about the top 10 or 11 picks here.

I started watching the top guys for the first time today and I have to say, I was really disappointed. Would you take any of the currently projected top 10 over:

1. Von Miller
2. Marcel Dareus
3. AJ Green
4. Patrick Peterson
5. Julio Jones
6. Aldon Smith
7. Tyron Smith
8. JJ Watt
9. Nick Fairley*
10. Robert Quinn

I really like Treadwell but I don't think he's at the level of Green or Jones and I think Myles Jack warrants consideration amongst this group but I was uninspired by Bosa (good player but I don't think he's a double digit sack guy), Buckner will be a very good 5T but not really a pass rushing one, Jalen Ramsey looks like a good press corner but I don't think he's a Patrick Peterson, Tunsil looks an elite OG but I'm not convinced he's an elite LT and so on.

Comparing them to 2011 is a high bar admittedly and it's certainly a better crop than 2013 but if I'm drafting in the top 5, I want game changers, not good run stoppers.

* Character aside (looking at you Aldon Smith), I would take everyone on this list except Fairley ahead of anyone in this years draft except, possibly, Myles Jack.

 

[midwestpatsfan]

I'm really thinking about the top 10 or 11 picks here.

I started watching the top guys for the first time today and I have to say, I was really disappointed. Would you take any of the currently projected top 10 over:

1. Von Miller
2. Marcel Dareus
3. AJ Green
4. Patrick Peterson
5. Julio Jones
6. Aldon Smith
7. Tyron Smith
8. JJ Watt
9. Nick Fairley*
10. Robert Quinn

I really like Treadwell but I don't think he's at the level of Green or Jones and I think Myles Jack warrants consideration amongst this group but I was uninspired by Bosa (good player but I don't think he's a double digit sack guy), Buckner will be a very good 5T but not really a pass rushing one, Jalen Ramsey looks like a good press corner but I don't think he's a Patrick Peterson, Tunsil looks an elite OG but I'm not convinced he's an elite LT and so on.

Comparing them to 2011 is a high bar admittedly and it's certainly a better crop than 2013 but if I'm drafting in the top 5, I want game changers, not good run stoppers.

* Character aside (looking at you Aldon Smith), I would take everyone on this list except Fairley ahead of anyone in this years draft except, possibly, Myles Jack.

This class has depth at certain positions, but you are right, this class really lacks the top end talent that we look for. I think its tough to not pick guys from that list above because we know what they have done in the NFL.

 

[midwestpatsfan]

This might get me in trouble, but I am not near as high on Jack as many others in the draft community. He is great in coverage and he does a nice job getting off blocks, but where is the playmaking? He does not have impressive sack or tackles for loss numbers. His overall tackle numbers are not that impressive either.
If coverage is his greatest strength, does that warrant being picked as high as he is projected?

 

[manxman2601]

This might get me in trouble, but I am not near as high on Jack as many others in the draft community. He is great in coverage and he does a nice job getting off blocks, but where is the playmaking? He does not have impressive sack or tackles for loss numbers. His overall tackle numbers are not that impressive either.
If coverage is his greatest strength, does that warrant being picked as high as he is projected?

Best prospect in the draft as far as I'm concerned. He's the best coverage linebacker I've scouted and I've certainly not seen a coverage linebacker that can take on blockers as well as him.

 

[manxman2601]

 

[manxman2601]

So Corey Coleman won't be on the Patriots board. Bottom of the screen, look at who should have blocked the guy making the tackle.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I just wanna throw this question out there.

I know most people here want to go OT and I do as well but how many OTs are really all that good from the late 2nd onwards? I don't have any information on that. Solder was the 17th pick IIRC and Vollmer was 58th. So it is possible to find a guy like Vollmer at that spot on occasion but how often does it happen? If we don't pull the trigger in the late 2nd how low do our odds get in the 3rd?

Trying to do some research on this myself but is it slow going.

We picked up vollmer in the second round, when he had a fifth round grade , because he was perfect for our zone blocking scheme,
Now in this draft, we have spriggs, who is also perfect for our zone blocking scheme, but cones with a second round grade. Should be a no brainier for bb....

But the guy that intrigues me the most as a second round ot, is Murphy of Stanford. He could be lights out in our offense. We must see how he looks at the combine.

 

[midwestpatsfan]

Best prospect in the draft as far as I'm concerned. He's the best coverage linebacker I've scouted and I've certainly not seen a coverage linebacker that can take on blockers as well as him.

Everything you say in that statement is true, but do you take a coverage linebacker in the top 5 or 10. In this class, maybe, but that is tough for me to get behind. I think he is a first round talent all day long, but I want my top tier players to be playmakers and I just don't think a coverage linebacker justifies that.
I think in a vacuum, he would be closer to a late teen/early 20's guy, but again, with the lack of top end talent, he will go very high.

 

[manxman2601]

Everything you say in that statement is true, but do you take a coverage linebacker in the top 5 or 10. In this class, maybe, but that is tough for me to get behind. I think he is a first round talent all day long, but I want my top tier players to be playmakers and I just don't think a coverage linebacker justifies that.
I think in a vacuum, he would be closer to a late teen/early 20's guy, but again, with the lack of top end talent, he will go very high.

In today's NFL I think absolutely you do. I think Jack can be in a conversation for best defender behind Watt, Mack, Donald and Kuechly in a couple of years. Mack is a rare prospect as far as I'm concerned and that definitely warrants a top 10 pick in my opinion.

my other question to you would be. if you take "playmakers", who do you think is a better playmaker than Jack? Tunsil? A LT is not a playmaker. Are run-stopping DE's like Bosa and Buckner playmakers? Not getting at you, serious question.

 

[AzorianPats]

Everything you say in that statement is true, but do you take a coverage linebacker in the top 5 or 10. In this class, maybe, but that is tough for me to get behind. I think he is a first round talent all day long, but I want my top tier players to be playmakers and I just don't think a coverage linebacker justifies that.
I think in a vacuum, he would be closer to a late teen/early 20's guy, but again, with the lack of top end talent, he will go very high.

I think a coverage LB is so crucial in today's NFL, especially with all these offenses that go spread, and hybrid TE/WR. If you have an opportunity to pounce on a player that never has to leave the field, you get it.

I think there's a premium on 3 positions on defense...

Shutdown #1 CB (Sherman, Peterson)
Interior pass rusher (Watt, Donald, Atkins)
Coverage LB (Kuechly, Davis, Collins)

 

[LT85]

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Just wonna throw in a name I haven't seen mentioned on here (maybe I missed it).

Tyler Higbee TE 6-6 / 250

Former WR so still has room for improvement at his new position, but he's my no. 1 binky at this early stage.

Is he a patriots player? I read somewhere that he refused to be used solely as a move TE, because he considered blocking a vital part of beeing a TE. So instead of taking the 'easy' way out sticking to what he was already good at, he strives to be a complete player, putting in the extra effort.

A draft with him, Jason Spriggs and maybe Kareem Hunt in the mid-rounds would be a good draft from my point of view

 

[AzorianPats]

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Just wonna throw in a name I haven't seen mentioned on here (maybe I missed it).

Tyler Higbee TE 6-6 / 250

Former WR so still has room for improvement at his new position, but he's my no. 1 binky at this early stage.

Is he a patriots player? I read somewhere that he refused to be used solely as a move TE, because he considered blocking a vital part of beeing a TE. So instead of taking the 'easy' way out sticking to what he was already good at, he strives to be a complete player, putting in the extra effort.

A draft with him, Jason Spriggs and maybe Kareem Hunt in the mid-rounds would be a good draft from my point of view

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