"Get Paid"

[TomBrady'sGoat]

While you blame these situations on normal things like :normal free agency moves,declining performance,contract disputes, I call it New England not wanting to deal with bloated egos. You have your opinion and I have mine. You seem to take no risk by your opinion, spoken like a true diplomat, like that Ask PFW guy who answers every question exactly the same. We're both Patriot fans. However, I am willing to bet that Asante will no longer be a Patriot come Week 1 and you'd be naive to think it had nothing to do with Asante's ego.

Ok, we're each entitled to our views. I'm cool with that. You might want to ask yourself though, why it took BB 3 years with Milloy and 5 years with Law until he cast aside their egos. Why did he want Law and his ego back last offseason? Why did he let Woody play out his rookie contract rather than kick his ego to the curb? Why was Rodney ever brought on board (I love Rodney, but I'd never pretend he doesn't have an ego)?

I just see your view as one of those where you latch onto that which suits it and ignore that which doesn't.

On another note, I really hope that if Asante chooses to sit out that BB and Pioli do nothing. The team is good enough to play without him for 9 weeks, and it'll mean he's fresh and healthy at the end of the year. This team doesn't need him to make the playoffs, but he will definitely help if they want to win in them.

 

[Patjew]

sorry about that. that's the reason why I avoided posting about Hill's death when it happened. I just can't muster much sympathy when people succeed at natural selection.

Wow........

 

[Born_a_Patriot]

Originally Posted by TomBrady'sGoat

sorry about that. that's the reason why I avoided posting about Hill's death when it happened. I just can't muster much sympathy when people succeed at natural selection.

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=Patjew;448143]Wow........

Double Wow

 

[theONLYJerseypatsfan]

Originally Posted by TomBrady'sGoat

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Double Wow

Really though....if natural selection was still occuring in humans you and your whole gene pool would have been eaten by tigers by now goat......go find a metal pole and play in some rain....or better yet, lets take your son(or wait until you have a son then take him)....wait until he is 23 and DROWN HIM...now that would be natural selection at its finest

 

[Deus Irae]

It is a really nice screwing. It is a better screwing than any of the rest of us will ever get. I'd give a lot to be screwed the way Asante is. This isn't about you or I though, this is about the NFL.

Within context of the NFL he is getting screwed. He agreed to a contract when he was drafted. He played out that contract. Now a crappy rule is preventing him from shopping his skills in the way that almost every other player is allowed.

The franchise tag punishes you for being the best free agent on your team. The best thing to happen to Dan Graham was Asante emerging as a star player last year. If that hadn't happened he'd be making around $4M for 1 year. Instead he's making $30M over 5 with $15M guaranteed.

There is no reason for Asante to say "who cares how much my peers make, I should just be happy to make a boatload more than the average joe" and accept a lesser deal from NE. That wouldn't even be part of the discussion if not for him being screwed by the franchise tag.

I'm not a huge fan of Asante. I don't want NE to pay him like a top CB after one great year. I'd prefer he play under the tag for a year and then for them to offer him the big bucks if he proves his worth, or for them to trade him if playing the year out won't happen.

This doesn't prevent me from putting myself in his shoes, though, and understand that he's being screwed.

*edit* By the way, how brilliant would it be for the NFL and the Union to agree to drop the franchise tag in exchange for a rookie salary scale. Each side gets something, and the only holdouts/posturing will be from players currently under contract like Deion last year. And even then it's harder for a player to claim he was screwed in his initial deal if it's the same deal every rookie gets.

Again.... getting paid as one of the 3 best cornerbacks in the NFL when you are not one of the 3 best cornerbacks in the NFL is not a "screwing", it's a blessing beyond what it deserved. You pointed out that he agreed to a contract when he was signed. Well, he also agreed to abide by the terms of the CBA when it was ratified.

 

[zoostation]

It's a business. It will work out one way or another. You can't really get too emotional over something that you have no control over.

 

[Kdo5]

Asante4Prez is the same guy who was heavily defending Asante's antics earlier in the offseason.

 

[PatrioticDynasty]

Really though....if natural selection was still occuring in humans you and your whole gene pool would have been eaten by tigers by now goat......go find a metal pole and play in some rain....or better yet, lets take your son(or wait until you have a son then take him)....wait until he is 23 and DROWN HIM...now that would be natural selection at its finest

What the F?, Man that is not funny...I didn't want to chime in, but this going back and forth, so what do we have:

Asante not going to funereral because:

a) he hate's MH, didn't get along with well, possible robbed his house (ludicrous statement here)

b) would distract from funeral so stayed home.

c) maybe went on another day to hill's House, or went seperate from team.

d) Everything is MOOT because we derive all this from the media, which we can all agree on as journelistic fodder.

Ok, so this is what we know:

He is a free agent who has the FT placed on him for 7.79mil, coming off 10 int year, got beat a few times, not perfect coverage and numbers are a product of our system which took him 4 years to grasp. If He holds out until week 10, then it will help us for not just the playoffs, but excelent for rotating fresh legs. he can be traded, but it will cost a team 2 #1 Draft Picks, so this is highly unlikely, except for maybe daniel snyders case...he could be cut, but this would be a terrible business decision if he was, the team would garner nothing, so that leaves him signing the 1 year tag by july 15th.
Seeing how his now infamous "get paid" tattoo on his hand would leave me to believe that this also will not come to fruition. The only thing we will look forward to this whole mess is sign now, or later, makes no difference to me.

If we trade him, well you never know what you get there (see chad Jackson for reference), but 2 in hand is better than 1.

P.S. Sorry for all the Typo's....very late


PD.

 

[theONLYJerseypatsfan]

What the F?, Man that is not funny...I didn't want to chime in, but this going back and forth, so what do we have:

Asante not going to funereral because:

a) he hate's MH, didn't get along with well, possible robbed his house (ludicrous statement here)

b) would distract from funeral so stayed home.

c) maybe went on another day to hill's House, or went seperate from team.

d) Everything is MOOT because we derive all this from the media, which we can all agree on as journelistic fodder.

Ok, so this is what we know:

He is a free agent who has the FT placed on him for 7.79mil, coming off 10 int year, got beat a few times, not perfect coverage and numbers are a product of our system which took him 4 years to grasp. If He holds out until week 10, then it will help us for not just the playoffs, but excelent for rotating fresh legs. he can be traded, but it will cost a team 2 #1 Draft Picks, so this is highly unlikely, except for maybe daniel snyders case...he could be cut, but this would be a terrible business decision if he was, the team would garner nothing, so that leaves him signing the 1 year tag by july 15th.
Seeing how his now infamous "get paid" tattoo on his hand would leave me to believe that this also will not come to fruition. The only thing we will look forward to this whole mess is sign now, or later, makes no difference to me.

If we trade him, well you never know what you get there (see chad Jackson for reference), but 2 in hand is better than 1.

P.S. Sorry for all the Typo's....very late


PD.

Dude, I wasnt talking about Asante...I was responding to TomBrady's Goat's despicable comments

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

Dude, I wasnt talking about Asante...I was responding to TomBrady's Goat's despicable comments

What the hell? Ok, since you won't let it die and I can only go so long without defending myself...

Marquise Hill died because he was too dumb to wear a life preserver. That's what I said and that's what I believe.

Is it inaccurate? Nope. If Hill wore a life preserver he would still be alive. I've been on lakes and rivers and every single time I've left the shore I've worn a vest. I've yet to have one save my life but it has always been there in case I needed it to. It is common sense AND it is preached to you. He ignored both.

Did it just happen? Nope, it has been a month or so. He's buried and life has gone on. I avoided sharing my opinion in the many Hill threads when he died. In this thread I even only introduced it in the scenario of (paraphrasing myself) "for all we know Asante hated Marquise and didn't want to inconvenience himself cause Hill was too dumb to wear a life jacket."

Tangentially related, our society laughs at stupid people killing themselves. It's called the Darwin Awards, and the only reason Hill won't win one is because he death was wholly unspectacular.

Feel free to be offended by my view, but it shouldn't be difficult to see that I didn't share it to offend. It's also a perfectly valid view and not as far out there as you may want to believe.

Now back to Asante, anything happen? Nothing going to be settled until August at the earliest? Good to know.

 

[Deus Irae]

What the hell? Ok, since you won't let it die and I can only go so long without defending myself...

Marquise Hill died because he was too dumb to wear a life preserver. That's what I said and that's what I believe.

Is it inaccurate? Nope. If Hill wore a life preserver he would still be alive. I've been on lakes and rivers and every single time I've left the shore I've worn a vest. I've yet to have one save my life but it has always been there in case I needed it to. It is common sense AND it is preached to you. He ignored both.

Did it just happen? Nope, it has been a month or so. He's buried and life has gone on. I avoided sharing my opinion in the many Hill threads when he died. In this thread I even only introduced it in the scenario of (paraphrasing myself) "for all we know Asante hated Marquise and didn't want to inconvenience himself cause Hill was too dumb to wear a life jacket."

Tangentially related, our society laughs at stupid people killing themselves. It's called the Darwin Awards, and the only reason Hill won't win one is because he death was wholly unspectacular.

Feel free to be offended by my view, but it shouldn't be difficult to see that I didn't share it to offend. It's also a perfectly valid view and not as far out there as you may want to believe.

Now back to Asante, anything happen? Nothing going to be settled until August at the earliest? Good to know.

Actually, we have no proof that Hill would have lived if he'd been wearing a life vest. Unlike a specific automobile accident which can be broken down on computer models if one wished to determine whether wearing a belt was good, bad or unimportant in a particular crash, you cannot break down all that happened with Hill and come to such a determination.

Your comment was both unsupportable and classless.

 

[PATRIOT64]

What the hell? Ok, since you won't let it die and I can only go so long without defending myself...

Marquise Hill died because he was too dumb to wear a life preserver. That's what I said and that's what I believe.

Is it inaccurate? Nope. If Hill wore a life preserver he would still be alive. I've been on lakes and rivers and every single time I've left the shore I've worn a vest. I've yet to have one save my life but it has always been there in case I needed it to. It is common sense AND it is preached to you. He ignored both.

Did it just happen? Nope, it has been a month or so. He's buried and life has gone on. I avoided sharing my opinion in the many Hill threads when he died. In this thread I even only introduced it in the scenario of (paraphrasing myself) "for all we know Asante hated Marquise and didn't want to inconvenience himself cause Hill was too dumb to wear a life jacket."

Tangentially related, our society laughs at stupid people killing themselves. It's called the Darwin Awards, and the only reason Hill won't win one is because he death was wholly unspectacular.

Feel free to be offended by my view, but it shouldn't be difficult to see that I didn't share it to offend. It's also a perfectly valid view and not as far out there as you may want to believe.

Now back to Asante, anything happen? Nothing going to be settled until August at the earliest? Good to know.

Just a question to you TomBrady'sGoat - AND BE HONEST WITH US!!

Do you wear a seatbelt EVERY single time you get into your car seat or someone elses car?

Have you ever forgotten to put on a seatbelt?

That would be as dumb as what you say Marquise did by not having one on...Am I right?

They are both safety issues and I am betting you are NOT an everyday seatbelt guy (unless there is a cruiser behind you with lights flashing )

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

Actually, we have no proof that Hill would have lived if he'd been wearing a life vest. Unlike a specific automobile accident which can be broken down on computer models if one wished to determine whether wearing a belt was good, bad or unimportant in a particular crash, you cannot break down all that happened with Hill and come to such a determination.

Your comment was both unsupportable and classless.

Life vest = floating.

Floating = not drowning.

Not drowning = Alive.

Therefore, life vest = alive.

Q.E.D.

 

[Maroney TD]

Life vest = floating.

Floating = not drowning.

Not drowning = Alive.

Therefore, life vest = alive.

Q.E.D.

Have some respect for the man that died. Its completely uncalled for.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

Just a question to you TomBrady'sGoat - AND BE HONEST WITH US!!

Do you wear a seatbelt EVERY single time to get into your car or someone elses car?

Have you ever forgotten to put on a seatbelt?

That would be as dumb as what you say Marquise did by not having one on...Am I right?

They are both safety issues and I am betting you are NOT an everyday seatbelt guy (unless there is a cruiser behind you with lights flashing )

I honestly cannot remember the last time I did not wear a seatbelt. Every once in awhile I get in someone's else's car and their seatbelts have fallen down into the seat and I'll dig the thing out. I've refused rides due to no seat belts.

I love driving and love cars, but every time we get in one we're a second away from death. Doing anything to make that worse is downright moronic.

So basically, you really picked the wrong example. I was that guy in high school who reminded everyone who entered my car to buckle up.

 

[PATRIOT64]

I honestly cannot remember the last time I did not wear a seatbelt. Every once in awhile I get in someone's else's car and their seatbelts have fallen down into the seat and I'll dig the thing out. I've refused rides due to no seat belts.

I love driving and love cars, but every time we get in one we're a second away from death. Doing anything to make that worse is downright moronic.

So basically, you really picked the wrong example. I was that guy in high school who reminded everyone who entered my car to buckle up.

OK Heres another one - When you ride a bicycle,quad ect: do you always wear a helmet to protect your head? - I beleive thats a law in my state too although the idiots who set the laws here let Motorcyclists ride bikes without a helmet but a regular bicyclist has to - figure that out

Ask Ben Rothlisberger who now regrets that freedom he had before his accident.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

Have some respect for the man that died. Its completely uncalled for.

That was in no way meant to be insulting to Marquise. It was meant to be insulting to the ridiculous notion that we don't know if a life preserver would have saved someone who drowned.

 

[Deus Irae]

Life vest = floating.

Floating = not drowning.

Not drowning = Alive.

Therefore, life vest = alive.

Q.E.D.

I can assure you that life vests do not have a 100% salvation rate for all who don them. Your argument is crap.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

OK Heres another one - When you ride a bicycle,quad ect: do you always wear a helmet to protect your head? - I beleive thats a law in my state too although the idiots who set the laws here let Motorcyclists ride bikes without a helmet but a regular bicyclist has to - figure that out

Ask Ben Rothlisberger who now regrets that freedom he had before his accident.

Are you in NH? My parents live there and we (my wife and I) are always amazed at the idiots in NH who ride without a helmet.

I've actually seen someone going westbound on route 9 towards Brattleboro carrying their helmet under their arm. When they hit the bridge for VT they put the helmet on.

I don't like the government telling you what you have to do, and I like that NH lets people decide. I think the lack of a helmet law is good, and people should be able to decide if they want to wear one. I also think anyone who chooses not to wear a motorcycle helmet is an idiot who is taking an unnecessary and high-risk chance. Basically, I think people should have the right to be stupid as long as it doesn't endanger others.

I should answer your question though. I don't ride motorcycles, ATVs, or anything like that. If I did I'd wear a helmet. As for bicycles, if I was riding with car traffic I would since cars are deadly. You don't really need a bike helmet riding down bike paths.

 

[Deus Irae]

I truly despise willful ignorance and deliberate stupidity:

http://www.auxguidanceskills.info/press/paddle-deaths.html

Notice the key passage:

In 2002, the Coast Guard reports that 440 lives could have been saved, if boaters just wore PFD's. One category of fatality is by drowning. 524 deaths were due to drowning. 6% of those people were wearing PFD's, 84% were not. In the Paddlesports, 112 people drowned, with only 4% wearing PFD's. Wearing PFD's saves lives.

And how about this one:

http://nwpr.org/07/HomepageArticles/Article.aspx?n=2971

Again, note the 'money' line:

Kim Jackson is the boat safety education coordinator for the state of Idaho. She says most boating accidents involve small, open craft on warm, pleasant days in calm waters. Roughly 90-percent of people who drown in those accidents aren’t wearing life vests.

Wearing a life vest does not guarantee that a person will not drown. Any other falsehoods you'd care to toss out?