OT: Packers Official Allegedly Intimidated Reporter Over Story

[QuantumMechanic]

Now you're just being silly. I get your anger, I'm angry over some of it myself. But it's not my job to "police" other journalists and your defense of "absolutism"/painting in broad strokes is the kind of attitude on which bigotry and fascism are based.

If you actually cared as much about a free press and journalism as you claim you do, you would be out there holding the bad apples' feet to the fire, because they are ruining it for you alleged "good" journalists.

I view journalists the way I view cops. The alleged "good" ones can mewl all they want about how they are good and we shouldn't view them all as corrupt bastards. Yet the "good" ones almost never call out and go after the bad ones. That makes the "good" ones complicit in the acts of the bad ones, and in fact means that despite their pathetic "they're not all bad" protestations, they in fact ARE bad ones and are part of the entire problem.

If you don't want to be viewed as scum, then start to do something about the scum in your ranks and stop whining about people thinking you are scum. Because until and unless you work to root out the scum, you are scum, too.

 

[Deus Irae]

If you actually cared as much about a free press and journalism as you claim you do, you would be out there holding the bad apples' feet to the fire, because they are ruining it for you alleged "good" journalists.

I view journalists the way I view cops. The alleged "good" ones can mewl all they want about how they are good and we shouldn't view them all as corrupt bastards. Yet the "good" ones almost never call out and go after the bad ones. That makes the "good" ones complicit in the acts of the bad ones, and in fact means that despite their pathetic "they're not all bad" protestations, they in fact ARE bad ones and are part of the entire problem.

If you don't want to be viewed as scum, then start to do something about the scum in your ranks and stop whining about people thinking you are scum. Because until and unless you work to root out the scum, you are scum, too.

Find the profession peopled with 100% "good" ones, and you'll find where all the unicorns went.

 

[PATS16N0]

Deflategate alone says the journalist-defenders are completely absurd and living in either a fantasy land or the 1980s.

 

[Tunescribe]

If you actually cared as much about a free press and journalism as you claim you do, you would be out there holding the bad apples' feet to the fire, because they are ruining it for you alleged "good" journalists.

As stated earlier, I was a newspaper reporter for 17 years, I was not an editor, publisher, or in a position to hire or fire (although I did see reporters fired for not doing their jobs or doing them poorly). I now publish a magazine. How would you suggest a reporter "hold the bad apples' feet to the fire" any more than someone in any other profession doing same? I think the best way to address things would be to do the job you're supposed to do, with accountability and responsibility.

I view journalists the way I view cops. The alleged "good" ones can mewl all they want about how they are good and we shouldn't view them all as corrupt bastards. Yet the "good" ones almost never call out and go after the bad ones.

"Go after"? How is that supposed to happen? Isn't it the job of the employers to discipline their employees? If I was a reporter in Massachusetts and a reporter in Alabama did something unethical, how would/should/could I "go after" that person? What you're saying makes no sense. There are many thousands of reporters in this country answerable to their employers, not to one another. That's how it works in the working world.

That makes the "good" ones complicit in the acts of the bad ones,

No, it doesn't. Not even remotely.

and in fact means that despite their pathetic "they're not all bad" protestations, they in fact ARE bad ones and are part of the entire problem.

If you don't want to be viewed as scum, then start to do something about the scum in your ranks and stop whining about people thinking you are scum. Because until and unless you work to root out the scum, you are scum, too.

What nonsense. This is the biggest load of twisted logic I've ever read. I can't wait to know what you do for a living -- if, in fact, you do anything. Whatever it is, I'm sure there are examples to be made.

 

[Tunescribe]

Deflategate alone says the journalist-defenders are completely absurd and living in either a fantasy land or the 1980s.

I take it you're referring to the likes of Kravitz and Doyel, not the likes of Reiss, Florio and Curran.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

How would you suggest a reporter "hold the bad apples' feet to the fire" any more than someone in any other profession doing same? I think the best way to address things would be to do the job you're supposed to do, with accountability and responsibility.

Typical cowardly media member. You people glorify whistleblowers (probably because you all hope to one day ride some whistleblower to fame and fortune), but instead of blowing whistles on the pieces of garbage in your own profession, all you can do is offer excuse after excuse about why you shouldn't do it.

 

[Deus Irae]

Typical cowardly media member. You people glorify whistleblowers (probably because you all hope to one day ride some whistleblower to fame and fortune), but instead of blowing whistles on the pieces of garbage in your own profession, all you can do is come up with excuse after excuse about why you shouldn't do it.

Reporters are always calling out other reporters.

 

[Tunescribe]

Typical cowardly media member. You people glorify whistleblowers (probably because you all hope to one day ride some whistleblower to fame and fortune), but instead of blowing whistles on the pieces of garbage in your own profession, all you can do is offer excuse after excuse about why you shouldn't do it.

You apparently have missed my many criticisms of Tomase/Borges/Kravitz/Doyel/Shaughnessy/MacMullen, etc., etc. -- involving both column/opinion and reporting, which I think you've mixed all together in one condemning ball of hate. The fact is, journalists always are calling out others in their profession but when it comes to weeding out the "bad apples," it works the same as in any line of work.

Do you work? What do you do?

 

[Off The Grid]

It seems to you that MOST newspaper reporters are bad and good ones are the exception? Really? Again, I suggest you and anyone else here tempted to paint with such ignorantly broad strokes take care to distinguish between "reporter" and "columnist," as there is a very important distinction to be made between those whose jobs are to report facts and those whose jobs are to offer interpretive opinion.

As much as anyone, I resent certain columnists enough not to read them. But saying most reporters are bad at what they do is as ridiculous as claiming the same with any profession. For every Tomase (the baddest apple we've ever seen here) there are a thousand others who get it right every day.

I congratulate you on what must be a delightfully delusional Hallucination.

 

[Off The Grid]

Actually if I were Kraft I would hire the guy to train their employees. I want ESPN employees other than Reiss and Bruschi to be treated like toxic waste if they come on the grounds, and the same goes for NFL employees. Dress up in hazmat suits and remove them from the premises in as nasty a fashion as possible, headfirst preferably. They should rent a woodchipper for the next time Goodell and Kensil show up.

There is not enough Win in the World for this Post!!

 

[Off The Grid]

So you're a reporter telling us reporters are all wonderful people because your friends are reporters even though we all know that reporters are basically scum?

Maybe you do a great job at exposing waste at your local high school, or asking your town selectman how he can afford a mansion in the Alps, but please spare us the holier than thou "reporters are the champions of liberty" routine, especially when we're talking about sports reporters, who reside somewhere on the scum-scale between ambulance chasers and pornographers.

Acting like our very freedom depends on someone being able to break a Packers scandal so he can distinguish himself in his profession is nothing short of laughable.

These are people who think their little reporter-badge gives them free reign to do whatever the hell they want to without any ramifications, then when there is ramifications they sometimes literally cry and usually always scamper away like a coward.

The level of entitlement of `reporters` really is amazing. They truly believe they're entitled to be able to go after other peoples lives or reputations to any ruthless and destructive degree that they like, yet hilariously think there's some magical, invisible shield that's supposed to stop everyone from going after them.

It's pathetic.

Again: There is not enough Win in the World for this Post!!

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Actually if I were Kraft I would hire the guy to train their employees. I want ESPN employees other than Reiss and Bruschi to be treated like toxic waste if they come on the grounds, and the same goes for NFL employees. Dress up in hazmat suits and remove them from the premises in as nasty a fashion as possible, headfirst preferably. They should rent a woodchipper for the next time Goodell and Kensil show up.

Ivan, Ivan, Ivan, haven't you learned reading these threads that if Kraft says or does ANYTHING the big bad NYJFL and Boogeyperson Roger will get MAD and really come after us? Best to stay meek & quiet. Accept our punishments and pray that it does not get worse because we antagonize the bully.

 

[Tunescribe]

I congratulate you on what must be a delightfully delusional Hallucination.

I'm not quite sure what this means. But it seems derogatory so in that case, back atcha!

 

[jmt57]

They’re not claiming that anything the Journal Sentinel wrote about Guion’s off-field troubles was inaccurate; they’re just upset that the Journal Sentinel is conducting journalism rather than serving as an arm of the Packers’ PR department.​

I wonder how the NFL's PR department (aka ESPN) will report and comment on this incident?

 

[Off The Grid]

I'm not quite sure what this means. But it seems derogatory so in that case, back atcha!

"I know you are but what am I??"

Wow.

With that kind of Poetic Prowess, I'm amazed that you're not nationally syndicated.

 

[Tunescribe]

"I know you are but what am I??"

Wow.

With that kind of Poetic Prowess, I'm amazed that you're not nationally syndicated.

?

 

[Ivan]

As stated earlier, I was a newspaper reporter for 17 years, I was not an editor, publisher, or in a position to hire or fire (although I did see reporters fired for not doing their jobs or doing them poorly). I now publish a magazine. How would you suggest a reporter "hold the bad apples' feet to the fire" any more than someone in any other profession doing same? I think the best way to address things would be to do the job you're supposed to do, with accountability and responsibility.

"Go after"? How is that supposed to happen? Isn't it the job of the employers to discipline their employees? If I was a reporter in Massachusetts and a reporter in Alabama did something unethical, how would/should/could I "go after" that person? What you're saying makes no sense. There are many thousands of reporters in this country answerable to their employers, not to one another. That's how it works in the working world.

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How about starting by not supporting outright lies by their colleagues? Chris Mortenson published outright lies fed to him by league office employees with an agenda. That was the match that started the idiotic deflategate fire that caused Brady and the Patriots to endure months and months of abuse and legal challenges that continue to this day and cost the Patriots a first and a fourth round pick. At no point has he ever taken responsibility or outed the employees who deliberately lied to him, and rather than call him out for such abuses of journalistic ethics his colleagues refused to comment other than to support him and tell everyone what an outstanding journalist he is. And while I can certainly understand journalists protecting their sources that protection should be null and void when those sources deliberately feed them agenda driven lies.

This is just one example of literally thousands and thousands of stories that we are fed that have no basis in fact and that lead to society having no idea what is or is not true, and that runs across the spectrum in every aspect of the media. Every outlet has a corporate driven agenda and they don't care about the truth they only care about clicks and ratings. It's the media that need to police themselves and call out the lies and absence of factual evidence to support their stories, but rather than do so they just double down for their side, and it doesn't matter if it's Fox or MSNBC, ESPN or the NFLN, the NYT or the Houston Chronicle, all of them deliberately feed us stories they know aren't true and the only ones who contest it are their mirrors on the other side.

It's the media and their corporate masters that have destroyed journalistic ethics, not the public. Unfortunately there is no answer for it because we are a corporate driven society and corporations have no ethics or honor other than to the bottom line, concepts like truth and honesty and justice are completely foreign to them and that's why they are disappearing from our society. It sucks but that's the way it is.

 

[Ivan]

They’re not claiming that anything the Journal Sentinel wrote about Guion’s off-field troubles was inaccurate; they’re just upset that the Journal Sentinel is conducting journalism rather than serving as an arm of the Packers’ PR department.​

I wonder how the NFL's PR department (aka ESPN) will report and comment on this incident?

ESPN has responded, according to a report last night the league is looking for listening devices at Gillette Stadium and believes Tom Brady has been planting them for years and has a direct wireless link to defensive coordinator headsets.

 

[primetime]

Of course this thread devolved into cries of anguish about Chris Mortenson and ESPN and bias against the Patriots even though that had literally nothing to do with the topic at hand. Patsfans dot com is anything if not predictable.

 

[Ivan]

Of course this thread devolved into cries of anguish about Chris Mortenson and ESPN and bias against the Patriots even though that had literally nothing to do with the topic at hand. Patsfans dot com is anything if not predictable.

That's because it is a textbook example of what is wrong with the media in this country. Feel free to provide the name (s) of the honest media outlets, so far not one person has put up even one name.