OT: Packers Official Allegedly Intimidated Reporter Over Story

[Ivan]

Should Chris Mortenson be treated politely if he shows up at Gillette or should he be treated like a lying sack of sh.t and thrown off the premises?

I vote for the latter. His credentials mean nothing, he's a liar who refuses to take accountability for those lies and he should only be allowed in as a fan with a ticket, and restricted to those areas available only to fans, and that goes for everyone at ESPN other than Reiss and Bruschi.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Nobody from the Packers PR department would make it on the Patriots staff. I mean it seems >50% of the reporters are negative towards the Patriots and many relish in any type of bad news.

 

[Ivan]

How many media members would survive if they were judged on actual journalistic ethics and held accountable to those?

1%?

 

[Ivan]

Is the Boston Globe honest?

The Boston Herald?

WEEI?

CNN?

Fox?

MSNBC?

The New York Times?

NBC?

CBS?

ABC?

ESPN?




Can anyone name an honest news outlet?

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

lmao some of you are literally defending a public corporation bullying a reporter into not reporting on domestic violence

While I completely agree with you, how is reporting these matters making society and/or people better?

Until I started investing for myself, I didn't pay attention to news (mainly local) because it was negative stuff, who got murdered, weather, negative stuff, sports, negative stuff. Occasionally there would be a heart warming story, but I felt better by ignoring the noise.

 

[raduray]

So let me get this straight. Davis stood too close to Cohen and refused to shake his hand, in a public setting, and Cohen considers this intimidation? A bit sensitive, no?

 

[Ivan]

Nobody from the Packers PR department would make it on the Patriots staff. I mean it seems >50% of the reporters are negative towards the Patriots and many relish in any type of bad news.

Actually if I were Kraft I would hire the guy to train their employees. I want ESPN employees other than Reiss and Bruschi to be treated like toxic waste if they come on the grounds, and the same goes for NFL employees. Dress up in hazmat suits and remove them from the premises in as nasty a fashion as possible, headfirst preferably. They should rent a woodchipper for the next time Goodell and Kensil show up.

 

[Tunescribe]

Respectfully disagree.
Ever since around the early 90s "agenda journalism" has been the creed of J school.
No profession is or was ever pristine, but far more so than in the past mainstream journos are political operatives with a byline.

It most certainly is not "the creed of J school," PWP. But I understand the angst and confusion out there in this era of infotainment and Internet-driven immediacy blurring the lines between fact, opinion and agenda.

 

[PATS16N0]

I can name dozens of honest ones but it would mean nothing to you because you wouldn't recognize who they are. I'm speaking from experience because I was a newspaper reporter for 17 years (plus a few years part-time while going to college). The Internet has blurred distinctions and skewed perceptions. It's important these days to be discerning.

So you're a reporter telling us reporters are all wonderful people because your friends are reporters even though we all know that reporters are basically scum?

Maybe you do a great job at exposing waste at your local high school, or asking your town selectman how he can afford a mansion in the Alps, but please spare us the holier than thou "reporters are the champions of liberty" routine, especially when we're talking about sports reporters, who reside somewhere on the scum-scale between ambulance chasers and pornographers.

Acting like our very freedom depends on someone being able to break a Packers scandal so he can distinguish himself in his profession is nothing short of laughable.

These are people who think their little reporter-badge gives them free reign to do whatever the hell they want to without any ramifications, then when there is ramifications they sometimes literally cry and usually always scamper away like a coward.

The level of entitlement of `reporters` really is amazing. They truly believe they're entitled to be able to go after other peoples lives or reputations to any ruthless and destructive degree that they like, yet hilariously think there's some magical, invisible shield that's supposed to stop everyone from going after them.

It's pathetic.

 

[meatface]

Be careful not to "bend over backwards" to say anything remotely critical about the Packers, everyone.

**** the Packers and their scam of "fan ownership"

 

[PATS16N0]

America should bring back the duel. Then we would see how many reporters do the things they do because of the courage of their convictions, or because they want to make a quick buck on someone else's misfortune or bad decisions.

"Are you a cheater, Tom?"

"That's it. I challenge you to a duel!"

 

[PATS16N0]

Is the Boston Globe honest?

The Boston Herald?

WEEI?

CNN?

Fox?

MSNBC?

The New York Times?

NBC?

CBS?

ABC?

ESPN?




Can anyone name an honest news outlet?

They're not honest. It's just…. most of the people that work there are.

Except for a few bad apples, I mean.

 

[borg]

Green Bay is the only NFL franchise that operates inside a protected bubble most similar to big-time NCAA programs. Lincoln, Nebraska.......Columbus, Ohio........Gainesville, Florida.........Tuscaloosa, Alabama....etc...etc....etc.....Green Bay, Wisconsin. These communities exist to serve their master. Small universes .....tight control........."In -house".......is standard operating procedure

 

[Ivan]

They're not honest. It's just…. most of the people that work there are.

Except for a few bad apples, I mean.

Unfortunately I think there a lot of truth to that. Imo many go into media professions with the noblest of intentions only to encounter corporate ownership with the worst of intentions, and in that industry and environment the worst rise to the top and those with actual ethics are disenfranchised and driven out. And it's not the only industry suffering from that dynamic. If there were any decency in the media corporations then guys like Tanguy would be completely out of work and blackballed from ever working again, unfortunately the industry thrives on lies and muckraking and its rewarded instead of punished.

 

[Tony2046]

So let me get this straight. Davis stood too close to Cohen and refused to shake his hand, in a public setting, and Cohen considers this intimidation? A bit sensitive, no?

I saw the whole thing. It wasn't pretty.

 

[Tunescribe]

So you're a reporter telling us reporters are all wonderful people because your friends are reporters even though we all know that reporters are basically scum?

Maybe you do a great job at exposing waste at your local high school, or asking your town selectman how he can afford a mansion in the Alps, but please spare us the holier than thou "reporters are the champions of liberty" routine, especially when we're talking about sports reporters, who reside somewhere on the scum-scale between ambulance chasers and pornographers.

Acting like our very freedom depends on someone being able to break a Packers scandal so he can distinguish himself in his profession is nothing short of laughable.

These are people who think their little reporter-badge gives them free reign to do whatever the hell they want to without any ramifications, then when there is ramifications they sometimes literally cry and usually always scamper away like a coward.

The level of entitlement of `reporters` really is amazing. They truly believe they're entitled to be able to go after other peoples lives or reputations to any ruthless and destructive degree that they like, yet hilariously think there's some magical, invisible shield that's supposed to stop everyone from going after them.

It's pathetic.

You're twisting most of what I said into hysterical absolutes and make some wild assumptions. I never had a sense of entitlement as a reporter and don't feel reporters are "entitled" to pursue their jobs at the expense of others any more than any other profession. Reporters -- sportswriters included -- must be fair and responsible or face the consequences. Without credibility and accountability, a reporter is nothing. I don't like reporters abusing their position any more than cops, politicians or doctors, but your zealous condemnation of the profession in general is way over the top.

 

[PATS16N0]

You're twisting most of what I said into hysterical absolutes and make some wild assumptions. I never had a sense of entitlement as a reporter and don't feel reporters are "entitled" to pursue their jobs at the expense of others any more than any other profession. Reporters -- sportswriters included -- must be fair and responsible or face the consequences. Without credibility and accountability, a reporter is nothing. I don't like reporters abusing their position any more than cops, politicians or doctors, but your over-the-top with zealous condemnation of the profession in general.

I understand you were a journalist for the sake of journalism. I understand you probably had good friends who were honest colleagues.

That said, I'm sick of the "it's not all of them" card being played in this country to skirt accountability. It gets played for politicians all the time, journalists all the time, etc. It's used too often as a crutch to excuse and pardon villainy.

This society could use a little absolutism in its diet.

Maybe if journalism was a little more dangerous, i'd have a little more respect for them as truth-seeking adventurers. As it is now, they literally think they're entitled to point a camera in anybody's face they want with a bunch of obnoxious questions, and apparently, in their world, if anyone pushes back it's the end of the world as we know it because the almighty journalist is "being prevented from doing his job."

Police your profession better, or don't get upset when people start painting it in broad strokes.

 

[ExpatPack]

I would just say that most consider Bob McGinn to be hands down the best Packers beat writer. And he isn't afraid to call a spade a spade. That's the one reason why, as a Packers fans, I'm not ready to call BS on this yet. McGinn is very highly respected around the league for his scouting reports. His weekly evaluations of the opposing team, plus his post-game "Rating the Packers" are the most in-depth analysis Packer fans can read of how their team really did.

For an opposing perspective on what happened, you can read this:

Total Packers | Your Green Bay Packers: Telling It Like It Is Total Packers

 

[Tunescribe]

I understand you were a journalist for the sake of journalism. I understand you probably had good friends who were honest colleagues.

That said, I'm sick of the "it's not all of them" card being played in this country to skirt accountability. It gets played for politicians all the time, journalists all the time, etc. It's used too often as a crutch to excuse and pardon villainy.

This society could use a little absolutism in its diet.

Do you know of any profession that couldn't use greater oversight of responsibility and accountability? Police? Physicians? What about your own?

Maybe if journalism was a little more dangerous, i'd have a little more respect for them as truth-seeking adventurers. As it is now, they literally think they're entitled to point a camera in anybody's face they want with a bunch of obnoxious questions, and apparently, in their world, if anyone pushes back it's the end of the world as we know it because the almighty journalist is "being prevented from doing his job."

Be careful of lumping it all together (television/radio/print/Internet), because some of that is apples and oranges. Journalists are not "almighty" nor should they feel "entitled." They shouldn't be threatened or abused nor should they abuse their utmost responsibility to objectivity and fairness.

Police your profession better, or don't get upset when people start painting it in broad strokes.

Now you're just being silly. I get your anger, I'm angry over some of it myself. But it's not my job to "police" other journalists and your defense of "absolutism"/painting in broad strokes is the kind of attitude on which bigotry and fascism are based.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

I would just say that most consider Bob McGinn to be hands down the best Packers beat writer. And he isn't afraid to call a spade a spade. That's the one reason why, as a Packers fans, I'm not ready to call BS on this yet. McGinn is very highly respected around the league for his scouting reports. His weekly evaluations of the opposing team, plus his post-game "Rating the Packers" are the most in-depth analysis Packer fans can read of how their team really did.

For an opposing perspective on what happened, you can read this:

Total Packers | Your Green Bay Packers: Telling It Like It Is Total Packers

I both think it's probably true, and think it's nothing. The idea of an adult claiming "bullying" strikes me as an oxymoron.

There is no crime here, and he obviously wasn't actually intimidated considering his reaction was to scurry off to write a story instead of go to the police. We are to believe he's so scared of this man (who apparently looked at him like a big meany) that he wrote a story naming the supposed bullyer, an action sure to anger him. And yet he doesn't not fear this man enough to do anything except anger him? Right, he's super scared. My BS detector is a bit sharper than that.

I'd say it looks completely backward, the reporter is using his power to intimidate.