Maybe Gregg Doyel Needs to Get Some Help

[RayClay]

Doyel did his part - - - he put out a cry for help. Most people with depression don't even do that.

Exactly, which makes me think he doesn't have it, maybe something else. Maybe he's bipolar in a different phase, or some other disorder, but he has enough money to go to a doctor. Maybe he should and quit his attention grabbing.

 

[shmessy]

Exactly, which makes me think he doesn't have it, maybe something else. Maybe he's bipolar in a different phase, or some other disorder, but he has enough money to go to a doctor. Maybe he should and quit his attention grabbing.

Ray, he's screwed up and works for an Indianapolis NEWSPAPER (even the big one in Boston is worth less than its real estate - John Henry bought the whole thing for 1/3 the cost of the Buffalo Bills DL).

Let me repeat that for emphasis:

In 2015, the 4 guys on the Buffalo Bills DL are worth 3 times as much as every man and woman at the Globe plus its machinery, vehicles and land.

The guy probably makes a fraction of what many of us make.

 

[RayClay]

Waddaya expect when you're stuck in India-no-place ?

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There are people really suffering that do not have access to the type of care someone with a corporate health care plan does. He owes it tothe to STFU and either stop lying or get help. He isn't helping anyone with this stuff.

As a matter of fact, if he's going on the radio saying he feels suicidal, maybe he should be committed for observation for a few days. I believe he could be, legally. Suicide isn't anything to take lightly.

 

[shmessy]

There are people really suffering that do not have access to the type of care someone with a corporate health care plan does. He owes it tothe to STFU and either stop lying or get help. He isn't helping anyone with this stuff.

As a matter of fact, if he's going on the radio saying he feels suicidal, maybe he should be committed for observation for a few days. I believe he could be, legally. Suicide isn't anything to take lightly.

Paragraph #1: Swing and a miss - - dude isn't in control of all his faculties - THAT is the crux of the problem. Someone needs to step in.

Paragraph #2: Home run.

What's the difference between your two paragraphs? The person(s) who is doing the action. He is ill. It's going to have to be done FOR him, not BY him. And if no one steps in for him, he might very well not make it. You can tell from the audio that he is scared.

 

[RayClay]

Paragraph #1: Swing and a miss - - dude isn't in control of all his faculties - THAT is the crux of the problem. Someone needs to step in.

Paragraph #2: Home run.

What's the difference between your two paragraphs? The person(s) who is doing the action. He is ill. It's going to have to be done FOR him, not BY him. And if no one steps in for him, he might very well not make it. You can tell from the audio that he is scared.

Like I said, he could be legally committed. Base on what i know, does he exhibit traits of an actual depressed, suicidal person? No. I think he's full of snit.

Of course, I'm far away from Indiana so it doesn't matter. A generalization, but from people in college I observed or heard about that committed suicide, it's much more likely someone would say it as if a joke, or just be quiet [people don't notice quiet people] and do something like draw a picture of the 20 story library with an X on the ground, which people thought was very funny until the guy jumped from the library days later.

My best friend was a counselor at the walk in center and that whole floor of students was devastated. Just saying, if you know someone that seems withdrawn and is indirectly giving clues that's more likely a clinically depressed person struggling with thoughts.

If they go on the radio so they can tell everybody how messed up they are, I suppose they could be, but it's pretty much the opposite of what an actual depressed, suicidal person would do from what I understand.

 

[Joker]

he's a narcissist...there is no therapy of any value for this type of personality disorder. the best thing that could happen is he meets the business end of a Louisville Slugger after one of his slanderous tirades.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

My best friend was a counselor at the walk in center and that whole floor of students was devastated. Just saying, if you know someone that seems withdrawn and is indirectly giving clues that's more likely a clinically depressed person struggling with thoughts.

If they go on the radio so they can tell everybody how messed up they are, I suppose they could be, but it's pretty much the opposite of what an actual depressed, suicidal person would do from what I understand.

I hesitate writing this but it was nearly 40 years ago. My first week at college, I lived on the sixth floor of a dorm that had a ledge and a short railing. I look out and there's a girl out on the ledge playing the theme from *MASH again and again...I told my roommate to get the RA (resident advisor) because she was going to jump. He thought I was nuts until I told him the real title to the MASH theme ("suicide is painless") I have never been so scared as I went out on the ledge and talked to her and convinced her to climb back in...I was an 18 year old kid, not a therapist and didn't want it on my conscience if she hurt herself. She left school that week and I never knew what became of her.
Depression is real and he needs help and hopefully his employer steps in unless they care more about clicks than him.....

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree......partially

Not only should he step back if he is not well, but his EMPLOYER (Indy Star) is being very irresponsible trotting out someone who is not emotionally stable to publicly write incendiary things about other people.

There is no way that his emotional situation (all one has to do is hear that cry for help in the interview) is not coloring his writing.

The guy clearly stated suicidal tendencies in that interview. Indy Star needs to give him time off from the pressure beat he is on until he can get in a better place. He is in the public realm and he is obviously not well. The Indy Star is being exceptionally cynical in trotting him out there.

It's not like Doyel is fighting ISIS in Syria. He writes a sports column in Indiana.

He has a mental illness. No question that he is challenged with managing it. That may or may not be the reason he is a complete jerk. I've had friends who have taken their lives that weren't as venemous as he is.

What do you propose that might help him manage his illness better? Have him write about gardening, food or home improvement?

On the other hand, writing for the Star may be the only thing that is keeping him going.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

Depression is real... I have first hand experience with it... I suffered with it for years without getting help until I had one long cycle that I couldn't get out of where I ended up not being able to get out of bed most days and lots of suicidal thoughts when I was in a down cycle. A little Celexa and some therapy, and I was back on my feet in no time. Haven't had another bout in years and am off the meds but if I start to slip again, I'd go back on them in a second.

I didn't even know that's what I was suffering from it until someone who had experience with depression told my wife.... If you can't get out of a rut and feel like everything is crashing around you, and you just want to crawl under a rock most days, you're depressed.... get help. I toughed it out for years without needing to tough it out...you can get better.

 

[Clonamery]

I suffer from depression and it's no excuse ... not ever ... for being a ****head and/or an *******.

Unless he's been clinically depressed since his cbssports.com days, in his case, I would have to agree.

 

[Ring 6]

I was reading that Kitty Dukakis is getting electro shock therapy and it's very effective for her. Apparently, they've refined it to the point where it helps some people more than any other treatment, with therapy, of course. No more One flew over the ****oos nest Frankenstein jobs. You might recall she was so messed up during the Presidential campaign, when they took her speed pills and booze away, she actually drank rubbing alcohol.

I'm of a mind that anyone could become clinically depressed by circumstances, though some are predisposed, no doubt. Just like you can drink yourself into a drinking problem, but some are wired to the tendency.

You can't be clinically depressed based on circumstances. Clinical Depression is a physical ailment a brain chemistry issue. This is why people who "are feeling depressed" but are suffering from Depression are often made worse by being prescribed anti depressants.
Anti depressants alter the brain chemistry of the person who takes them. If your brain chemistry is not the cause you are altering something that is not wrong.
This is a tremendous problem in our society.

 

[Ring 6]

Like I said, he could be legally committed. Base on what i know, does he exhibit traits of an actual depressed, suicidal person? No. I think he's full of snit.

Of course, I'm far away from Indiana so it doesn't matter. A generalization, but from people in college I observed or heard about that committed suicide, it's much more likely someone would say it as if a joke, or just be quiet [people don't notice quiet people] and do something like draw a picture of the 20 story library with an X on the ground, which people thought was very funny until the guy jumped from the library days later.

My best friend was a counselor at the walk in center and that whole floor of students was devastated. Just saying, if you know someone that seems withdrawn and is indirectly giving clues that's more likely a clinically depressed person struggling with thoughts.

If they go on the radio so they can tell everybody how messed up they are, I suppose they could be, but it's pretty much the opposite of what an actual depressed, suicidal person would do from what I understand.

There are many people who have the disorder of craving attention whether it's good attention or bad. They tend to ramp up the drama as time goes on. Doyel may fit this mold as much as the mold of depressed.

 

[raduray]

I'm familiar with depression. I have family who have it, have addressed it, and are fully functional. If Doyle's depression interferes with writing cogent articles, then he should take leave until he gets it fixed. Failure to do that is irresponsible on his part and also on the part of the Indy Star. Having decided to continue his column, anything he publishes is subject to the same level of criticism as any other columnist.

 

[shmessy]

I'm familiar with depression. I have family who have it, have addressed it, and are fully functional. If Doyle's depression interferes with writing cogent articles, then he should take leave until he gets it fixed. Failure to do that is irresponsible on his part and also on the part of the Indy Star. Having decided to continue his column, anything he publishes is subject to the same level of criticism as any other columnist.

I fully agree with most of that.

However, I feel where it goes from here is 100% on the Indy Star and those closest to him.

This is a guy with suicidal thoughts and an obvious deep-seeded self loathing - - all one has to do is listen to that interview where he talks about his persona and how he reads his previous stuff and wants to punch himself in the face. He was definitely asking for help IN PUBLIC. He doesn't know how to do it on his own. He went alot further than a lot of people with depression. If he didn't have a scheduled interview at that particular point in time, he may never have actually made that cry for help.

Once again, saying that this is all on him and that he needs to take the steps on his own is like telling a Tourettes sufferer to shut up.

Actually, he has done his part. He #1 recognizes his problem and #2 is (publicly) asking for help.

#3 is on his friends/relatives/employer.

 

[Deflatemyballs]

**** Gregg Doyel

 

[RayClay]

I hesitate writing this but it was nearly 40 years ago. My first week at college, I lived on the sixth floor of a dorm that had a ledge and a short railing. I look out and there's a girl out on the ledge playing the theme from *MASH again and again...I told my roommate to get the RA (resident advisor) because she was going to jump. He thought I was nuts until I told him the real title to the MASH theme ("suicide is painless") I have never been so scared as I went out on the ledge and talked to her and convinced her to climb back in...I was an 18 year old kid, not a therapist and didn't want it on my conscience if she hurt herself. She left school that week and I never knew what became of her.
Depression is real and he needs help and hopefully his employer steps in unless they care more about clicks than him.....

That's exactly my understanding. Never direct, but leaving clues. It's amazingly sad how the brain can malfunction in a negative thought spiral, but somehow give clues. It's almost like the brain is being held hostage while a part of the subconscious is giving clues because the logical brain can't or won't talk about what's wrong.

It is truly a bizarre phenomenon.

 

[Ring 6]

I fully agree with most of that.

However, I feel where it goes from here is 100% on the Indy Star and those closest to him.

This is a guy with suicidal thoughts and an obvious deep-seeded self loathing - - all one has to do is listen to that interview where he talks about his persona and how he reads his previous stuff and wants to punch himself in the face. He was definitely asking for help IN PUBLIC. He doesn't know how to do it on his own. He went alot further than a lot of people with depression. If he didn't have a scheduled interview at that particular point in time, he may never have actually made that cry for help.

Once again, saying that this is all on him and that he needs to take the steps on his own is like telling a Tourettes sufferer to shut up.

Actually, he has done his part. He #1 recognizes his problem and #2 is (publicly) asking for help.

#3 is on his friends/relatives/employer.

What should his employer do?
You can only suggest he get help you can't force him to.
Surely they shouldn't not allow him to work.
If you mean generally be supportive and allow him leave if he asks it I get that but I'm interpreting your post as saying his employer is obligated to take action in some way. If so what action. If not I misunderstand what you feel the employer should do.

 

[Gronkowski123]

doyle's a douchebag. maybe he can ask scumbag irsay for some drugs to help him cope

 

[RayClay]

You can't be clinically depressed based on circumstances. Clinical Depression is a physical ailment a brain chemistry issue. This is why people who "are feeling depressed" but are suffering from Depression are often made worse by being prescribed anti depressants.
Anti depressants alter the brain chemistry of the person who takes them. If your brain chemistry is not the cause you are altering something that is not wrong.
This is a tremendous problem in our society.

I disagree. People who don't otherwise exhibit clinical depression could have it triggered by an event. Did they have a predisposition? Probably, but we are all human and made up of the same chemicals and electrical impulses.

Abraham Lincoln was clinically depressed, according to historians with mental health knowledge or whatever you would call them. There weren't anti-depressants or other treatments, but he managed to self treat, or get help somehow, obviously.

People are born into alcoholic families, every relative, both sides. Are they doomed to be alcoholics? Not if they don't drink. Yet that tendency is latent.

Here's an Atlantic article about Lincoln to spare you a clinical scientific one, of which there are many.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/10/lincolns-great-depression/304247/

Being depressed because the Jets lose and clinical depression have nothing to do with each other, just an unfortunate sameness of word. I think it's more of a continuum with groups of people having some predisposition that they live with while others are severe.

It's not as cut and dried as you make it seem.

 

[RayClay]

This is why people who "are feeling depressed" but are suffering from Depression are often made worse by being prescribed anti depressants.

Did you mean aren't?

I doubt reputable Psychiatrists prescribe anti-depressants to people who just felt blue for a couple days. If they did they should be treated like any doctor who knowingly prescribes unnecessary medicine.

Anti-depressants take at least a couple of weeks to work. They don't work for some people and they make others manic. This is among properly diagnosed patients. Hard to believe a reputable doctor would treat a patient that wasn't clinically depressed, since he'd have plentyof time to see his diagnosis was wrong.

Saying people commit suicide because of anti-depressants ignores the obvious fact that they were given anti-depressants because they were clinically depressed and possibly suicidal.

Your control group consists completely of people who were deemed to possibly be suicidal. No one knows how many of that group would actually do it, but it's sure to be a higher percentage than the population as a whole.