Thoughts from an Outsider

[Fitz11]

Cardinals fan here -- I've been trolling these boards for updates for a while and finally wanted to chime in with my unbiased third party opinion (sorry if this gets too lengthy). For starters, when I heard about the footballs being "under inflated" and that allegedly the Colts reported it when they intercepted a ball and measured it, I thought two things -- 1) Ideal Gas Law and 2) Why were the Colts allowed to measure the psi. When I mentioned the IGL to my buddy he was like "I highly doubt they were dumb enough to not factor that in" and he thought someone cheated.

Then the "incriminating texts" leaked and I didn't understand how Brady seemed guilty from them. Paraphrased obviously, but how did "yeah Brady was pissed -- the ball was inflated outside the legal limit" and "He wants it at 12.5" even mildly make him seem guilty? The only text I thought had any sketchiness to it was the "Brady brought you up, said you must be stressed to get them done" when Brady said he didn't know who McNally was. That might be the one thing I think Brady could have lied about (knowing who McNally was), but either way don't see how it matters because "getting them done" could have meant a number of things, including legally getting them done right..

The Wells investigation came out and I just thought it was a joke. A bunch of BS assumptions that hurt the Patriots and helped the Colts. Every time I explain the BS of it to people I know, they respond with something along the lines of "how is this even a case...." But anyways I'll just wrap this up and say it's completely absurd to me that Brady is suspended at all based on the evidence, and I'm rooting for you guys. And I can guarantee plenty of other fans who disagree now would grab their pitchforks if this happened to their team. Lastly, just throwing this in as a side note...nobody likes the Ravens

 

[PATS16N0]

Cardinals fan here -- I've been trolling these boards for updates for a while and finally wanted to chime in with my unbiased third party opinion (sorry if this gets too lengthy). For starters, when I heard about the footballs being "under inflated" and that allegedly the Colts reported it when they intercepted a ball and measured it, I thought two things -- 1) Ideal Gas Law and 2) Why were the Colts allowed to measure the psi. When I mentioned the IGL to my buddy he was like "I highly doubt they were dumb enough to not factor that in" and he thought someone cheated.

Then the "incriminating texts" leaked and I didn't understand how Brady seemed guilty from them. Paraphrased obviously, but how did "yeah Brady was pissed -- the ball was inflated outside the legal limit" and "He wants it at 12.5" even mildly make him seem guilty? The only text I thought had any sketchiness to it was the "Brady brought you up, said you must be stressed to get them done" when Brady said he didn't know who McNally was. That might be the one thing I think Brady could have lied about (knowing who McNally was), but either way don't see how it matters because "getting them done" could have meant a number of things, including legally getting them done right..

The Wells investigation came out and I just thought it was a joke. A bunch of BS assumptions that hurt the Patriots and helped the Colts. Every time I explain the BS of it to people I know, they respond with something along the lines of "how is this even a case...." But anyways I'll just wrap this up and say it's completely absurd to me that Brady is suspended at all based on the evidence, and I'm rooting for you guys. And I can guarantee plenty of other fans who disagree now would grab their pitchforks if this happened to their team. Lastly, just throwing this in as a side note...nobody likes the Ravens

This is why I get frustrated with Patriot fans that are always crying about how the entire nation, and everyone in it, thinks "Tom Brady is a cheater." It's ********. Football fans everywhere know what's up with Tom Br4dy. They let a bunch of knuckle dragging internet haters skew their reality where every single person everywhere is foaming at the mouth about how we're the cheater cheater cheatriots.

Thanks for not being a media-parroting moron. I believed in you, fellow football fan.

 

[nowayback]

@Fitz11 Are you an alien ?

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Regarding the text:

"The “him” and “he” was in fact Mr. Jastremski’s friend, as the investigators were told, and the conversation involved issues relating to Mr. McNally’s stress relating to reselling family tickets. As Mr. McNally explained, his sister is in charge of the family’s long-held Patriots seasons tickets, and she has developing health issues. Keeping track of what was being done with the tickets when not being used by the family was getting stressful. Using the team’s Ticket Exchange program provides no opportunity for reselling tickets at a profit, but using services like StubHub can result in season ticket revocations. These issues had been discussed by Mr. McNally with Mr. Jastremski and shared with Mr. Jastremski’s friend, who stayed over at Mr. Jastremski’s house the night of the Jets game and knew of Mr. McNally’s family issues with his tickets. In conversation that evening, he expressed concern to Mr. Jastremski about Mr. McNally’s situation and shared information about another friend who had similar stress about reselling tickets.

That was the conversation that Mr. Jastremski explained the text was referring to. After the conversation with Mr. Jastremski’s friend was explained by Mr. Jastremski, the investigators did not request the opportunity to interview the Mr. Jastremski friend to determine whether any such conversation had in fact happened. The Patriots tracked down Mr. Jastremski’s friend, who is a professional fraud investigator and whose livelihood depends on his honesty. They arranged for a telephone interview with the investigators in which the individual explained in great detail the timing (the night of the Jets game), place (Mr. Jastremski’s house) and content of the conversation (dealing with Mr. McNally’s sister, suffering some early onset memory loss, trying to sell the family game tickets). The investigators, rather than take further steps to check out this information, simply chose to disbelieve input that did not square with their conclusions."

 

[PatsBoy12]

Thanks for injecting an unbiased viewpoint and one that is coherent (and not just because it favors Brady). I have mostly stayed away as much as I could prior to the past two - three days or so. This whole thing is terrible, a waste of time and resources and, most importantly, proves Goodell is a moron. I mean think about it . . . we're in a federal court over underinflated footballs that A) really could have gotten that way because if the IGL, b) are at the forefront of an obscure thing that I NEVER heard of after watching football for almost 30 years now (wow I'm getting old) and c) gave no real competitive advantage.

Meanwhile, the Falcons were legitimately found guilty of pumping in crowd noise, which by the way, gives a team a FAR BIGGER competitive advantage than -1.3 PSI. Meanwhile, a player who damn near caved in the side of his now wife's whole head was only initially given two games and only AFTER we saw what happened inside the elevator . . . something Goodell had already seen. I mean, can you really make this kind of stuff up?

 

[nabwong]

Amen. I had a plumber come over yesterday and he saw my pats superbowl hat. He's an eagles fan and went on about how humble and fiery Brady is and how much of an idiot mcNabb is. Says he doesn't understand why Brady is being suspended. Even though Brady has won 4 superbowls, he's still chewing guys up for making mistakes. Maybe he was just playing for a better tip.

Also, it's totally plausible Brady didn't know McNally's name. I don't even remember some of my relatives' names.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

I believe the reasoning for that text is:

1. McNally's first Super Bowl (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

2. McNally was then responsible for preparing many more footballs for the Super Bowl than he ever had to/needed to in the past

The reasoning is above from Wellsreportcontext. It had nothing to do with Brady.

 

[Hoodie]

I believe the reasoning for that text is:

1. It was McNally's first Super Bowl (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

2. McNally was then responsible for preparing many times more footballs for the Super Bowl than he ever needed to in the past (maybe someone knows the exact number, I think its a large amount)

You mean Jastremski.

 

[Danger Zone]

The reasoning is above from Wellsreportcontext. It had nothing to do with Brady.

Actually, in trying to research the number of footballs he would be responsible for, I see I was wrong about the timing of the text.

I believe what I was thinking of is the reason for Brady's increased call time with him. My apologies on the confusion.

 

[alvinnf]

I think when one looks at the NFL from say 40,000 ft so to speak. You see the absurdity of a money stuffed glutinous entity that no longer upholds the game as it was intended. It wasn't meant to become a week in week out fantasy fest. It was a game that was played by men who loved it. Not the over built www style super athletes we see before us now. It's become soylent green. It's people, it's sustinence is churning through people. Oh, how I miss an honest bad@ss 13-10 death match. Those days are gone, but at least fans like fitz here see it for what is. In doing so they recognize that Brady's only crime is being Brady. That's just not enough to hang a man.

 

[eom]

Cardinals fan here -- I've been trolling these boards for updates for a while and finally wanted to chime in with my unbiased third party opinion (sorry if this gets too lengthy). For starters, when I heard about the footballs being "under inflated" and that allegedly the Colts reported it when they intercepted a ball and measured it, I thought two things -- 1) Ideal Gas Law and 2) Why were the Colts allowed to measure the psi. When I mentioned the IGL to my buddy he was like "I highly doubt they were dumb enough to not factor that in" and he thought someone cheated.

Then the "incriminating texts" leaked and I didn't understand how Brady seemed guilty from them. Paraphrased obviously, but how did "yeah Brady was pissed -- the ball was inflated outside the legal limit" and "He wants it at 12.5" even mildly make him seem guilty? The only text I thought had any sketchiness to it was the "Brady brought you up, said you must be stressed to get them done" when Brady said he didn't know who McNally was. That might be the one thing I think Brady could have lied about (knowing who McNally was), but either way don't see how it matters because "getting them done" could have meant a number of things, including legally getting them done right..

The Wells investigation came out and I just thought it was a joke. A bunch of BS assumptions that hurt the Patriots and helped the Colts. Every time I explain the BS of it to people I know, they respond with something along the lines of "how is this even a case...." But anyways I'll just wrap this up and say it's completely absurd to me that Brady is suspended at all based on the evidence, and I'm rooting for you guys. And I can guarantee plenty of other fans who disagree now would grab their pitchforks if this happened to their team. Lastly, just throwing this in as a side note...nobody likes the Ravens

Hmmmm....strangely rational.

Which one of you dudes is pretending to be a cards fan?

 

[BTTA]

Cardinals fan here ...Lastly, just throwing this in as a side note...nobody likes the Ravens

Really appreciate you taking the time to write that out. Now I have a reason to root for an NFC West team.

On the other hand, we've got room at the Patsfans bar if you'd like a seat.

 

[supafly]

Yeah, good for you man, for having your own opinion and not buying into the media ********. Thanks for posting.

 

[patsfan13]

As a totally biased homer I appreciate your words.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I was reading an old article the other day ...

With the advent of the inflatable helmet ... air needles became common place on the sidelines and pinching the air out of the balls kind of went hand in hand with these helmets ... as in very common especially in college. So it's easy to pin this on any team really ... you can gather bits of evidence of this vs just about all football teams at a point in time.

Goodell picked the top prize and is losing ... the idiot.

The QB's with the smallest hands are oh so screwed this year.

 

[Wheelman]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! As for why Brady said he didn't know who McNally was it was probably because he knew him by his nickname. Tedy Bruschi didn't know who McNally was either. Bruschi knew him by his nickname.

 

[Fitz11]

Regarding the text:

"The “him” and “he” was in fact Mr. Jastremski’s friend, as the investigators were told, and the conversation involved issues relating to Mr. McNally’s stress relating to reselling family tickets. [...] The investigators, rather than take further steps to check out this information, simply chose to disbelieve input that did not square with their conclusions."

Didn't know about this... But just adds to the list of decisions / assumptions they made that hurt the Pats.

Meanwhile, the Falcons were legitimately found guilty of pumping in crowd noise, which by the way, gives a team a FAR BIGGER competitive advantage than -1.3 PSI. Meanwhile, a player who damn near caved in the side of his now wife's whole head was only initially given two games and only AFTER we saw what happened inside the elevator . . . something Goodell had already seen. I mean, can you really make this kind of stuff up?

Exactly. No one cares about the Falcons blatantly cheating because they didn't win last year. To add to your point about Ray Rice, my parents are Cowboys fans so I naturally root for them too (after my Cards of course). But I don't care if Brady single handedly swapped the AFCCG footballs out with Nerf balls, there's no reason his punishment should even be in the realm of Hardy's...

 

[Dr Pain]

Thank you. A lost point in all this is that a Ravens K Ball was stolen at the playoff game and replaced with a box K Ball. The Ravens figured the Patriots did it and informed the Colts. Then at the Colts game, an NFL Official is caught stealing a ball and another replaced it with a box ball. The entire reason this started was NFL officials stealing balls during games. So the NFL catches their guy stealing and from a few games but what is the focus on, not that.

 

[TBR]

Brady was asked if he knew Jim McNally and he said no.

This was because he only knew him by nickname. (I believe it was 'Bird').

I remember in high school there was a new kid from California and everyone called him Cali. If you'd ask me his real name, I wouldn't know who it was.

 

[Tony2046]

Cardinals fan here -- I've been trolling these boards for updates for a while and finally wanted to chime in with my unbiased third party opinion (sorry if this gets too lengthy). For starters, when I heard about the footballs being "under inflated" and that allegedly the Colts reported it when they intercepted a ball and measured it, I thought two things -- 1) Ideal Gas Law and 2) Why were the Colts allowed to measure the psi. When I mentioned the IGL to my buddy he was like "I highly doubt they were dumb enough to not factor that in" and he thought someone cheated.

Then the "incriminating texts" leaked and I didn't understand how Brady seemed guilty from them. Paraphrased obviously, but how did "yeah Brady was pissed -- the ball was inflated outside the legal limit" and "He wants it at 12.5" even mildly make him seem guilty? The only text I thought had any sketchiness to it was the "Brady brought you up, said you must be stressed to get them done" when Brady said he didn't know who McNally was. That might be the one thing I think Brady could have lied about (knowing who McNally was), but either way don't see how it matters because "getting them done" could have meant a number of things, including legally getting them done right..

The Wells investigation came out and I just thought it was a joke. A bunch of BS assumptions that hurt the Patriots and helped the Colts. Every time I explain the BS of it to people I know, they respond with something along the lines of "how is this even a case...." But anyways I'll just wrap this up and say it's completely absurd to me that Brady is suspended at all based on the evidence, and I'm rooting for you guys. And I can guarantee plenty of other fans who disagree now would grab their pitchforks if this happened to their team. Lastly, just throwing this in as a side note...nobody likes the Ravens

You're a better football fan than I have been. I listened to the radio heads talk about bounty gate and bully gate without looking into it at all. I, unfortunately, devoured everything they fed to me as the real story. I have since gone back and revisited those scandals and without digging into them too far I find they share a lot of the same hypocrisies seen in Framegate. (Formally known as Deflategate.)

I now realize that the NFL likes to ruffle up the feathers of 31 fan bases via PR tactics and leaks so that they can hammer down on the one.

Anyways props to you and thanks for sharing your opinion. I have definitely learned my lesson.