Official Brady Appeal Thread: D-Day Tuesday June 23rd

[h0c2000]

Apparently Schefter said on TV that a long snapper and a backup QB have personally told him they deflate balls and that the longer snapper uses a paper clip to do it.

Why would a kicker want to kick a flat ball? It doesn't make sense to me. Less pressure, less distance. I guess if you're looking for a pooch kick but who knows if you'll get that K ball next long FG. Playing the odds I guess.

 

[shmessy]

Reiss

"I reached out to someone just recently that had a direct line into that room [where the appeal was being heard], close to Tom Brady," Reiss said. "Their feeling was that it went very well this morning, but also an acknowledgement that the NFL holds all the cards here.

1) If the "arbitrator" is impartial, what does "...but the NFL holds all the cards" mean?

2) The proceedings were under oath and recorded. If things did go well for Brady and the "arbitrator" did not reflect that, then said "arbitrator" will get obliterated in the federal court case. At the end, there won't be anything left of that "arbitrator" but a greasy spot.

 

[rochrist]

Wow, what an a-hole. Further cementing his position as the worst owner in football.

Right. The worst owner in football. Worse than Woody Johnson. Worse than Dan Snyder.

Get a grip.

 

[Clonamery]

Well judging by their past history, the leaks will start to come out late this evening -- 10, 11 est.

Or 11 of 12.

 

[rochrist]

@gregaiello: @ProFootballTalk There is no strict 4-hour time limit on the TB team's presentation and it is expected to go beyond that.

Yes, and then Schefter produces the letter from the NFL specifying the four hour time limit.

It doesn't seem like anybody at the league offices actually clues Aiello in on much of anything.

 

[Clonamery]

Yes, and then Schefter produces the letter from the NFL specifying the four hour time limit.

It doesn't seem like anybody at the league offices actually clues Aiello in on much of anything.

When you lie so often it's hard to remember them all.

 

[Mr. Objective]

If Goodell vacated the suspension, I would be happy with that at this point. Court's an unpredictable place; while the best case scenario is absolutely "Brady takes the league to court and airs out a ton of dirty laundry in that rats' nest", I'd take the certainty of just getting the suspension removed, as long as that remains a possibility.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but if Goodell vacates the suspension and, say, saddles Brady with a fine only, then the fine would be the maximum penalty that Brady could suffer in an appeal to federal court--the court couldn't increase the penalty.

 

[rochrist]

NFL spokesman has refuted this claim.

And Schefter refuted their claim.

 

[rochrist]

So ESPN has a letter from Greg Levy stating that Brady's team will only have a four hour limit that could be increased to five and then the League denies it even though there is hard evidence to prove it. Seriously, is there anything the League won't lie about.

I just think that no one ever talks to Greg 'League Spokesman' Aiello.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Adam Kaufman ‏@AdamMKaufman 5m5 minutes ago
Tornado warning or just Jeffrey Kessler attacking the NFL?

Masshole Sports ‏@MassholeSports 31s31 seconds ago
Tornando warning in Foxboro. This is the kind of **** that happens when u piss off Brady. Youve been warned, Goodell



https://twitter.com/PatriotsInform
Adam Bogdan ‏@PatriotsInform 8s9 seconds ago
Perhaps an omen of the storm to come from Brady and the NFLPA towards the NFL. #ExonerateBrady



What happens when you make Tom Brady angry... (via @susantran)

 

[JMC00]

And Schefter refuted their claim.

Why are you quoting me on something that was posted right after it happened and before Schefter posted the letter?

 

[Tunescribe]

Adam Kaufman ‏@AdamMKaufman 5m5 minutes ago
Tornado warning or just Jeffrey Kessler attacking the NFL?

Masshole Sports ‏@MassholeSports 31s31 seconds ago
Tornando warning in Foxboro. This is the kind of **** that happens when u piss off Brady. Youve been warned, Goodell



Adam Bogdan ‏@PatriotsInform 8s9 seconds ago
Perhaps an omen of the storm to come from Brady and the NFLPA towards the NFL. #ExonerateBrady



What happens when you make Tom Brady angry... (via @susantran)

I can see my seats in that photo. Hey -- maybe the tornado can take out that stupid end zone lounge.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yes, and then Schefter produces the letter from the NFL specifying the four hour time limit.

It doesn't seem like anybody at the league offices actually clues Aiello in on much of anything.

Is is incredible, isn't it? He was totally hung out to dry. You would think the NFL had daily "spotlight"meetings in preparation for today. Idiots.

In the business world, they would call that, "Operating in Silos" or "Communicative Dysfunction"

I swear the NFL Exec Offices is a house of cards. The league pulls in $9B annually despite them.

I blame Goody. He is administratively and operationally gawd awful.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but if Goodell vacates the suspension and, say, saddles Brady with a fine only, then the fine would be the maximum penalty that Brady could suffer in an appeal to federal court--the court couldn't increase the penalty.

Yes, that's correct. I think I just didn't word what I said clearly enough, what I meant is that I would prefer the suspension being vacated rather than the suspension is upheld and Brady has to take it to court.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

I'm not in the business of quoting assholes, but.....

Ben Volin ‏@BenVolin 32s32 seconds ago
Brady appeal was supposed to tentatively end at 530, but I’m told it’s still going

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Please provide the section of the CBA that supports your statements..



...

The standard invoked by Vincent to assess the Penalties he chose to apply to Brady's alleged actions is based on Paragraph 15 (the "Integrity of the Game" clause) of Appendix A of the CBA which gives the power to the Commissioner to penalize a player who "is guilty of any other form of conduct reasonably judged [my emphasis] by the League Commissioner to be detrimental to the League or professional football."

Unfortunately, there is no limit placed on the standards that the Commissioner can use when he asserts that he has "reasonably judged" that a particular action is "detrimental..."

How the NFLPA agreed to this nonsense in the first place is beyond me.

Then, if you read through the CBA, you find frequent references to the "preponderance of evidence" [again, my emphasis] standard as justification for reaching one conclusion or another in a variety of matters.

Finally, if you go to Vincent's ruling, you find that he cites both the "Preponderance of Evidence" stipulation and Paragraph 15 of Appendix A as his justification for his findings.

Wells obviously chose the words "more probable than not" in his findings to dovetail with the "Preponderance of Evidence" standard throughout the CBA and the "reasonably judged" standard in the Appendix.

Don't flame or blame me as agreeing with any of this, as I think it is absurd.

It is absurd that the NFLPA agreed to this when negotiating the CBA. In fact, it has been observed by several folks who follow this stuff more closely than do I that that the NFLPA wants to use this case to have a judge find that this, among other provisions of the CBA, are unacceptable. Of course, the problem is that those are the idiots who agreed to this crap in the first place!

 

[SVN]

I wish schefter didnt work for ESPN. He probably knew mort was wrong with 11 of 12 PSI BS but had to keep quiet to protect his colleague.

 

[supafly]

1) If the "arbitrator" is impartial, what does "...but the NFL holds all the cards" mean?

2) The proceedings were under oath and recorded. If things did go well for Brady and the "arbitrator" did not reflect that, then said "arbitrator" will get obliterated in the federal court case. At the end, there won't be anything left of that "arbitrator" but a greasy spot.

Mike Reiss' take with the two legal analysts from ESPN, Munson and Cossack (cue the ESPN *****ing):

Warning--they both paint a fairly bleak picture in terms of federal court involvement.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england...tom-brady-doesnt-get-appeal-result-he-desires

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm not in the business of quoting assholes, but.....

Ben Volin ‏@BenVolin 32s32 seconds ago
Brady appeal was supposed to tentatively end at 530, but I’m told it’s still going

Nah. They all snuck out to a strip club and put a bunch or mannequins in the window to throw off the dogs.

Trollin' Volin foiled again!

 

[Deus Irae]

Mike Reiss' take with the two legal analysts from ESPN, Munson and Cossack (cue the ESPN *****ing):

Warning--they both paint a fairly bleak picture in terms of federal court involvement.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england...tom-brady-doesnt-get-appeal-result-he-desires

Munson's been wrong on just about everything relating to this case.