Brandon Marshall to the Jets

[shmessy]

Meanwhile our AFC East rivals are getting 31 year old FA's while the Patriots won the Super Bowl with the 2nd youngest average age team in history.

I LOVE Groundhog Day!

 

[Todd Bradley]

Wonder if they cut Harvin now...

Sad that Marshall is pretty much going to the Jets just because it makes his Inside the NFL gig an easier commute.

 

[Kdo5]

People around here have taken to disparaging pretty much every NFL player that's not in a Patriots uniform. That's every bit as stupid as people proclaiming the Patriots are done because they haven't signed 14 all pros already.

Just wait. If Revis leaves, some people will go back to calling him Mevis. If a McCourty leaves he was always an above average safety.

 

[shmessy]

....... They could (not will, but could) make a huge jump in just one year, if the new HC/GM duo do things well.

Given that Bowles and Maccagnan are blank slates, that is one heckuva big "if" gamble there.

Meanwhile, Belichick/Caserio have a more detailed history.

 

[Ring 6]

No to criticize you but why does everyone assume that there wont be any issue for Buffalo to transition to Rex Ryan.

Yes they played well late last year, but it was an entirely different coaching staff.

You are not elite until your level of play and the win column actually confirm that. Anybody can be a winner in the offseason.

Why would anyone assume the defense would improve under Ryan after watching him fail in NJ?

 

[Deus Irae]

Wonder if they cut Harvin now...

Jets reporters think so:

My initial take on Marshall trade: They replace one headache (Harvin) with another, but Marshall is better and cost less money. #nyk

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/573881758392971264

This has to mean Percy Harvin will be cut. The pick to Seattle will remain a 6th-rnder if they do. We'll see what they sent to Chicago. [URL='https://twitter.com/hashtag/nyj?src=hash']#nyj

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https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/573882104116830208

 

[fnordcircle]

2014:

Ugh, Jets got Eric Decker and all we get is some scrub from Carolina?

2013:

Ugh, Dolphins got Wallace and all we have to replace Welker is a fragile downgrade in Edelman

And so on.

 

[mgteich]

1) How is cutting Harvin and signing Marshall and presumably a slot receiver with savings be a bad deal for the jets?

2) Are the jets really years away if they sign Hoyer (and draft Mariota)?

3) The jets will have $56M after cutting Harvin. Isn't that enough to sign
A) Hoyer
B) a slot receiver
C) 2 top secondary players
D) a top RB
and still have significant money ($20M or so) left over for additional needs?

4) Is it an awful offense to have Hoyer, Marshall, Decker, a free agent WR, a free agent TE and a free agent RB as their core.

5) Is it an awful defense if $25M of FIRST YEAR cap costs are paid on upgrading the defense?

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Th biggest problem of the jets has been and player evaluation. Perhaps a new GM and coach could change that with $56M in hand.

 

[shmessy]

Sad that Marshall is pretty much going to the Jets just because it makes his Inside the NFL gig an easier commute.

It's a good indicator on where the NY Jets are on the food chain.

 

[brdmaverick]

Only thing missing is now a QB. Let's see where Hoyer lands.. would be funny if It is all Pats QBs and Tannehill..

Maybe the PHins will bring Matt Guttierez to camp.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Didn't the playoffs and the Super Bowl pretty much prove that alot of this all comes down to coaching and discipline?

Marshall is a very good weapon.

He was a very good weapon for Miami the two years he was THEIR big FA pickup.

The results still didn't change anything. They were 13-19.

He wasn't that good in Miami, which is one of the main things I would be worried about if I was a Jets fan. If they get that Marshall instead of the Marshall that shows up for Cutler, then this trade will be kind of a waste. But the waste will be whatever base salary you got around to paying before you cut him and a 5th rounder. I'm okay with the risk because you're not risking all that much on him.

Since the Miami days, he's allegedly taken responsibility for his mental health and has been getting his BPD treated. As someone who has immediate family members with BPD, getting to a place where they acknowledge that there's something wrong with them that requires treatment (rather than some vast conspiracy by everyone else) is a huge part of the battle, so props to him on that. But there's no magic fix here--just ongoing management--I can totally see how BPD would make someone an untenable locker room presence. And given how this last season went down with Marshall, I think that that will be a major issue for the rest of his career. You're never going to really know if you're getting a mature, likable, skilled Marshall who can help you win, or a childish, paranoid, conflict-sowing Marshall who bails the second things go bad and does more harm than good.

That's why I would have no interest at all in giving him guaranteed money, but if you can get him with zero guaranteed dollars and you're the Jets, then sure, why not. He knows he's gone if he acts up.

 

[shmessy]

1) How is cutting Harvin and signing Marshall and presumably a slot receiver with savings be a bad deal for the jets?

2) Are the jets really years away if they sign Hoyer (and draft Mariota)?

3) The jets will have $56M after cutting Harvin. Isn't that enough to sign
A) Hoyer
B) a slot receiver
C) 2 top secondary players
D) a top RB
and still have significant money ($20M or so) left over for additional needs?

4) Is it an awful offense to have Hoyer, Marshall, Decker, a free agent WR, a free agent TE and a free agent RB as their core.

5) Is it an awful defense if $25M of FIRST YEAR cap costs are paid on upgrading the defense?

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Th biggest problem of the jets has been and player evaluation. Perhaps a new GM and coach could change that with $56M in hand.

Hey, I like Brian Hoyer as much as the next guy. But you seem to be waaaaay overrating him. The guy threw for a 55% completion percentage and had 12 TD-13 INTs last year.

 

[shmessy]

He wasn't that good in Miami, which is one of the main things I would be worried about if I was a Jets fan. If they get that Marshall instead of the Marshall that shows up for Cutler, then this trade will be kind of a waste. Since then, he's allegedly taken responsibility for his mental health and has been getting his BPD treated, but as someone who has immediate family members with BPD, I can totally see how that would make someone an untenable locker room presence. And given how this last season went down with Marshall, I think that that will be a major issue for the rest of his career. You're never going to really know if you're getting the mature, likable, skilled Marshall who can help you win, or the childish, paranoid, conflict-sowing Marshall who bails the second things go bad and does more harm than good.

That's exactly why I would have no interest at all in giving him guaranteed money, but if you can get him with zero guaranteed dollars and you're the Jets, then sure, why not. He knows he's gone if he acts up.

.....and there is a rookie, no experienced, HC there also.

Great mixture.

 

[mgteich]

Jets reporters think so:

https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/573882104116830208

Rotoworld also thinks so also. However, the jets have so much cap room that they don't have to cut Harvin immediately.

I would think that Harvin would be cut soon in order to put another WR into the free agent market, making it a bit easier for the jets to find an additional receiver or two (probably a WR and a TE).

 

[Sicilian]

This is to several posters: When did Hoyer become a good QB? If the Jets plan to use him as their starter this year, he's an "upgrade" over Smith, which might get them to 5-11 instead of 4-12.

 

[BradyFTW!]

.....and there is a rookie, no experienced, HC there also.

Great mixture.

It definitely has a lot of potential not to be. But again, if it's a problem you just cut him and you're out a grand total of a fifth round pick and $0 in dead money. It's the definition of a low-risk, high-reward move.

 

[shmessy]

It definitely has a lot of potential not to be. But again, if it's a problem you just cut him and you're out a grand total of a fifth round pick and $0 in dead money. It's the definition of a low-risk, high-reward move.

When you are 4-12, everything is a low risk move. What's there to lose?

 

[mgteich]

Hey, I like Brian Hoyer as much as the next guy. But you seem to be waaaaay overrating him. The guy threw for a 55% completion percentage and had 12 TD-13 INTs last year.

Hoyer is considered by all to be one of the two top QB's on the free agent market. I'm not saying that he is a great quarterback. What I am saying is that $50M of help around the jets would give Hoyer a much better team than he had last year.

Note, that I also expect the jets to sign Mariota.

Some would call this a repeat of 2014 for Hoyer. I think that Mariota is much better than Manzel. Also, one would think that the new management of the jets will allow Mariota a couple of years to develop if Hoyer is there.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The AFC East, except the Patriots, have a collective obsession with has-been household names who are just starting the downside of their career either because of age or motivation (since these teams cash them out.) The Pats have had their share of former stars but typically at a very low risk, short term contract. The Bills, Jets, and Dolphins try to build their franchise through free agency. Bad idea. It shows.

 

[Rob0729]

I would agree if they were taking on guaranteed money as part of the deal, but they're not. If they need to free up the money and/or if he declines in the next 2 years, they can cut him and all it will have cost them is a 5th round pick. There's just not a ton of risk there. The one thing that would normally worry me--the opportunity cost of investing ~$8M in cap space that could go to someone else--doesn't even apply here since they'll be saving cap money if they cut Harvin.

And I don't think a rapid decline at age 32-33 is a foregone conclusion at all. WRs with Marshall's skills tend to age pretty well. Even once his speed goes, he'll still be a surehanded big body outside. Rather than worrying about physical decline, I'd be a lot more worried about his reputation as a mentally unstable locker room cancer who quits on teams. And if that manifests, they can just cut him without any dead money. At a bare minimum, he's a better gamble than Harvin.

I'm also not totally convinced that they're 3 years away from competing. If Bowles is good and they unearth a competent QB and draft some OL talent, they could be a competitive team pretty quickly. I don't think it'll happen, but this isn't the 2012 Jets that had no path to competitiveness within 2 years. Idzik cleaned up that mess pretty effectively.

I guess we need to see what the Jets give up.

I think the Jets are a long way away from being a contender, but between Marshall (unless they can get them to do a new deal) and Eric Decker (who is getting good #1 WR money), they have a lot of money tied up at the position. They need to rebuild their o-line, LBing corp, and secondary. Plus they need a QB. I would think they are better off going young and filling a lot of needs rather than pay good money to Marshall and overpay for Revis (which is their plan).