(Merged x3) It's All Happening!!! PFT Now Blames The NFL For Tarnishing The PATS Image

[The Brandon Five]

Take this for whatever it's worth


Neil deGrasse Tyson ‏@neiltyson 16m16 minutes ago
For the Patriots to blame a change in temperature for 15% lower-pressures, requires balls to be inflated with 125-degree air.

It's not 15%. That person doesn't have a clue. 12.5 psi is the relative pressure. A drop from 12.5 to 11 is less than 6%.

 

[Ring 6]

Much disagreement in the scientific arena.

The only legitimate scientific proof is experiment, not formula or theory.
BB conducted one, the head safety people did too. There is no conflict.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Beat me to it. 15% was based on the 2 psi difference, which has never been confirmed. There are now just as many unconfirmed reports that it was 1 psi, as there are that it was 2.

15% is the difference in relative psi, not absolute. Tyson should stick to making PBS shows and belittling people of faith.

 

[VrabelJr]

Take this for whatever it's worth


Neil deGrasse Tyson ‏@neiltyson 16m16 minutes ago
For the Patriots to blame a change in temperature for 15% lower-pressures, requires balls to be inflated with 125-degree air.

Neil deGrasse Tyson isn't the end all be-all on everything. He says a lot of stupid **** and his fame has eclipsed his genius. He's a brand now, too.

Another good example of something stupid he said recently:
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/551391987761307648

 

[mosi]

15% is the difference in relative psi, not absolute. Tyson should stick to making PBS shows and belittling people of faith.

And speaking of Faith, have it in BB and the Pats. Don't jump off the ship like a bunch of rats.


If the Pats actually deflated their balls to 11 psi before taking them out into the field, they would have dropped to ~9 PSI and felt like flat balls. Stupid to even think about.

 

[Deus Irae]

Just because Tyon spoke up, I'll toss out this tangent, in the expectations that it will largely be ignored (and thus not completely derail the thread):

The politicization of science has been a terrible thing. It's shown us just how clueless many of those people (politicized scientists) are, once they get outside their tiny spheres of knowledge.

 

[The Brandon Five]

This isn't EVER going away. Get used to it. It's out in the general non-football-watching public now, and the impressions are baked in. I hate to be so pessimistic, but it's not going away.

Earlier in the thread, I said this:


Okay, so I'm watching "The Cycle" on MSNBC (I don't typically watch it, but it was on when I came down from my office). Toure is interviewing Bill Nye and Jordan Schultz of NBC Sports...

Toure introduces Nye by saying Belichick's explanation sounds "completely absurd, footballs spontaneously deflating..."

When Nye starts talking, the banner comes up "REPORTED 2 PSI LESS"

Some quotes from Nye:
"In 2006, Mr. Brady and one of the Mannings petitioned the league to let the visiting team inflate their own footballs."

Bzzt! No, they petitioned for the right to use their own balls instead of the slick, uncatchable new ones the league provides.

Strike one.

He rolls his eyes and gives a "hmm" suspiciously...

"The guy who detected an inflated ball was not a referee. It was a defensive player, D'Qwell Jackson"
(You hear Toure saying "Yup!")

"He just caught the ball and he went, 'Wow, that didn't feel right."

Bzzt. Already debunked. The player himself said he didn't notice anything.

Strike two.

Crystal Ball, one of hte panel, then says, "Bill, to that point, how much of an advantage is it to play with a squishier ball?"

Bzzt. Strike three.

And Nye launches into the remarkable study proving the Patriots don't fumble.

It went downhill from there, with the NBC Sports guy piling on, the hosts all laughing about it.

It's over. If the Pats have done nothing wrong, nothing short of an apology from the NFL would be fair, BUT EVEN THAT isn't going to repair this.

If this was a sting by a vengeful former Jet official and Irsay - again IF - they have damaged the sports and the Pats irreparably, at least for the next decade. The whole thing disgusts me, however it plays out.

This is coming from an "unbiased" Seahawks fan. Seems legit.

 

[Sfpat]

The only legitimate scientific proof is experiment, not formula or theory.
BB conducted one, the head safety people did too. There is no conflict.

Neil deGrasse Tyson isn't the end all be-all on everything. He says a lot of stupid **** and his fame has eclipsed his genius. He's a brand now, too.

Another good example of something stupid he said recently:
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/551391987761307648

I have to admit I didn't know who this deGrasse Tyson guy was prior to his comment

 

[Wrath Mania]

Just because Tyon spoke up, I'll toss out this tangent, in the expectations that it will largely be ignored (and thus not completely derail the thread):

The politicization of science has been a terrible thing. It's shown us just how clueless many of those people (politicized scientists) are, once they get outside their tiny spheres of knowledge.

I completely agree with this; it starts at the university level and it has led to an inadvertent 'postmodernisation' of science, where science just becomes 'truth-constructing' to defend power grabs/political maneuvering for whatever faction is involved. The responses to BB's press conference are just a minor example of this, where pop-culture scarecrows (e.g. Tyson, Nye) are taking the opportunity to use their 'brand' to stroke the majority. This, unfortunately, happens all the damn time.

 

[festy1986]

Neil is the man, I'll let it slide this once that he sided against the pats.

 

[Wrath Mania]

Neil is the man, I'll let it slide this once that he sided against the pats.

If we're actually going to derail this thread, I'll just say I'll take Tyson over Dawkins or Dennett or those militant clowns. Which isn't saying much.

 

[Sicilian]

Just because Tyon spoke up, I'll toss out this tangent, in the expectations that it will largely be ignored (and thus not completely derail the thread):

The politicization of science has been a terrible thing. It's shown us just how clueless many of those people (politicized scientists) are, once they get outside their tiny spheres of knowledge.

Politicians have, traditionally, curried favor with the masses by being outwardly religious, because the majority of people had belief. Now that the focus has started shifting away from faith and more towards science, they've started using that as well. The people in power got there because they know how to use the tools available to them. And people just eat it up.

 

[mosi]

Neil is the man, I'll let it slide this once that he sided against the pats.

Well, he is an idiot. Experimentally, all you have to do is take a ball, pump it up inside, and put it outside and the pressure will drop. Not that complicated.

 

[50-yard-line]

Bzzt! No, they petitioned for the right to use their own balls instead of the slick, uncatchable new ones the league provides.

Strike one.


Bzzt. Already debunked. The player himself said he didn't notice anything.

Strike two.

Bzzt. Strike three.

This is coming from an "unbiased" Seahawks fan. Seems legit.

You have just perfectly echoed my point. There was so much WRONG in that "interview" with the "expert" and no one cares - it's the story, not the facts.

it is disgusting.

 

[pork3]

Just because Tyon spoke up, I'll toss out this tangent, in the expectations that it will largely be ignored (and thus not completely derail the thread):

The politicization of science has been a terrible thing. It's shown us just how clueless many of those people (politicized scientists) are, once they get outside their tiny spheres of knowledge.

Deus, this wonderful post makes up for every time I've scoffed at your remarks.
Well said.

-Jamman

 

[Guts]

Now the haters are fighting back haha this is getting stupid

 

[Hoodie]

Because the likely difference is only about 7%, not 15%.

Thanks.

 

[pork3]

Well, he is an idiot. Experimentally, all you have to do is take a ball, pump it up inside, and put it outside and the pressure will drop. Not that complicated.

Not only is he an idiot, but he doesn't even bother to explain his math, and how he went about calculating the air temperature required.

He's obviously wrong, and it saddens me to see a scientist not even bother to get his facts straight before putting false claims out in the open for every idiot out there to chomp on.

-Jamman

 

[Todd Bradley]

So all its takes for you is for Glazer to start a rumor that someone in possession of the footballs walked somewhere to dismiss Belichick actually testing the footballs under the same conditions and showing that the result is lowered psi, right in the range the league leaks they were in? (Since we still do not know, not does Dean Blandino for one)
Hope you are never on my jury.

I hope you're never in court

 

[festy1986]

If you bothered to watch neil degrasse tyson on the new cosmos series you would know he said the following (I got this from the Internet) so just relax. His opinion is his and he doesn't claim otherwise. It's also why he's the man.

(1) Question authority. No idea is true
just because someone says so, including me.

(2) Think for yourself. Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so.

(3) Test ideas by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well-designed test, it's wrong. Get over it.

(4) Follow the evidence wherever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgment.

And perhaps the most important rule of all...

(5) Remember: you could be wrong. Even the best scientists have been wrong about some things. Newton, Einstein, and every other great scientist in history -- they all made mistakes. Of course they did. They were human.

Science is a way to keep from fooling ourselves, and each other.