The Agony of Victory

[SalemPats]

And scored how many points? Oh ya 3.

I said the defense played well and that the Raiders had some sustained drives inthe first half, why are you always looking for a fight

 

[SalemPats]

It would be great if Revis could get away with the kind of holding that Sherman was getting away with yesterday.

After watching both the Hawks games, Revis is in a different level than **** Sherman

 

[sevengables_2207]

I feel like the 2007 juggernaut regular season (and to a lesser extent 2011 and 2012) has forever spoiled a fair portion of New England fans, some of whom, judging from the reaction to yesterday's "win", have taken to the boards to voice their displeasure.

Maybe they do not remember the years 2001-2006 when games like the one yesterday were a much more common occurrence?

Anyways, a win is a win, and I do not think the Patriots will hand it back because it was not pretty enough.

As for me, I am really happy to see the defense playing so well thus far. The offense just needs the line to get sorted out (which I kind of expected would endure some growing pains with the Mankins trade) before the offense starts to improve. Whether or not this happens is something I'm going to be eager to monitor going forward.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

So many fans here are spoiled. The god dam fans were booing in the 2nd qtr yesterday. Week 3.....

If we lose next week this board will be un readable. It almost is right now....and thats after a W

 

[JayNM]

I agree that some of the pessism is way overblown, but you can't be bothered if someone isn't that much confident about the team. Much of the critiscism said here was fair, even if a bit exaggerated. I also don't recall many critics about the D, TBH, but I don't doubt it lol

I think we are pretty lucky to have 3 easy foes this early, while we don't have everything figured it out (almost nothing on offense, in my mind). If you think this kind of playing will get us anywhere in the post-season, i'll be doubting your opinions from now on. We have a lot to fix and, if I'm being honest, i don't think our roster alone has what it takes to correct it all. In other words, i think Stork won't be enough to correct the O-line. Or DeGuglielmo does a Scar-like miracle taking something out of Devey or Kline (and Solder for that matter) or we're gonna have to resort for a trade until the deadline

 

[AzPatsFan]

I agree that some of the pessism is way overblown, but you can't be bothered if someone isn't that much confident about the team. Much of the critiscism said here was fair, even if a bit exaggerated. I also don't recall many critics about the D, TBH, but I don't doubt it lol

I think we are pretty lucky to have 3 easy foes this early, while we don't have everything figured it out (almost nothing on offense, in my mind). If you think this kind of playing will get us anywhere in the post-season, i'll be doubting your opinions from now on. We have a lot to fix and, if I'm being honest, i don't think our roster alone has what it takes to correct it all. In other words, i think Stork won't be enough to correct the O-line. Or DeGuglielmo does a Scar-like miracle taking something out of Devey or Kline (and Solder for that matter) or we're gonna have to resort for a trade until the deadline

This interior rebuild was never just about Stork. It was a total remake of all three interior offensive line positions.

It was necessary because both Mankns and Connolly are getting old and expensive; and Wendell although tough and gritty is too undersized.

The three replacement players are Stork, Cannon and Fleming. Stork is 6-4 and 315. He replaces 6-2 290 pound Wendell. Cannon is 6-5 and 335. He replaces Mankins who is 6-4 and 310 and age 33. Fleming is 6-5 and 330+. He replaces Connolly who is 6-4 and 310, and age 33.

The two starting tackles had already been replaced with huge, First and Second Round selections Solder and Vollmer.

BB sought to rebuild the interior Offensive line because they were dominated in the past two Super Bowl appearances and the last AFCCG. Good Coaching couldn't overcome good talent which was just bigger. The old line was good enough to win with, except at the very heights of the league. The new generation should be dominant even there. when fully experienced.

 

[deters]

It wasn't blatant..I was at the game and the play happened right in front of me. Ryan arm bared the receiver and in turn got shoved away from the ball. It could have gone either way but as you undoubtedly know, Offensive P.I. is called far less than Defensive P.I.

I don't understand how you don't think it was blatant OPI. Ryan clearly has his arm placed inside near the receivers chest so that he doesn't lose track of him while looking back for the ball. In the meantime the receiver has both hands pulling Ryan down and at the end before the ball gets there, he extends his arms shoving Ryan away. Ryan was in excellent position, didn't grab, pull or prevent the receivers arms in any way. Their feet might have gotten slightly tangled at the end, but that is incidental contact.

 

[Wheelman]

It wasn't blatant..I was at the game and the play happened right in front of me. Ryan arm bared the receiver and in turn got shoved away from the ball. It could have gone either way but as you undoubtedly know, Offensive P.I. is called far less than Defensive P.I.

Well that at least explains why the ref called it. Watching the replay of the game and pausing you can see the receiver's both hands on Logan Ryan's shoulder. I can't tell if the arm extends towards the receiver at the same time or not but Logan Ryan didn't at any point block the receivers arm from extending for the ball. The receivers hands were on Ryan's shoulder and shoving him away. Looks like blatant OPI to me.

 

[JayNM]

This interior rebuild was never just about Stork. It was a total remake of all three interior offensive line positions.

It was necessary because both Mankns and Connolly are getting old and expensive; and Wendell although tough and gritty is too undersized.

The three replacement players are Stork, Cannon and Fleming. Stork is 6-4 and 315. He replaces 6-2 290 pound Wendell. Cannon is 6-5 and 335. He replaces Mankins who is 6-4 and 310 and age 33. Fleming is 6-5 and 330+. He replaces Connolly who is 6-4 and 310, and age 33.

The two starting tackles had already been replaced with huge, First and Second Round selections Solder and Vollmer.

BB sought to rebuild the interior Offensive line because they were dominated in the past two Super Bowl appearances and the last AFCCG. Good Coaching couldn't overcome good talent which was just bigger. The old line was good enough to win with, except at the very heights of the league. The new generation should be dominant even there. when fully experienced.

Granted, Cannon can play G, but he's originally a Tackle. As a guard he has been just mediocre, nothing else (Again, he didn't have any kind of support by the center either)

Fleming is also a Tackle and hasn't got a single rep at G, so there's nothing he can add to that.

Stork is the only player who can fill the void and appearently make the unit better.

Still, if the Interior O-Line was such a problem, why haven't we drafted anyone in the last 3 drafts higher than a 4th round? Why haven't we gone after a good player available, if we didn't get anyone at the draft? Why did we trade away our best player this year, considering the compensation we got and the dead money he left behind?

Honestly, i think the Staff made a bad judgement about our players, overestimating their potential and capability, and wasn't properly adressed this year. We are seeing it now.

 

[IcyPatriot]

For us middle and old timers out there ...

 

[AzPatsFan]

Granted, Cannon can play G, but he's originally a Tackle. As a guard he has been just mediocre, nothing else (Again, he didn't have any kind of support by the center either)

Fleming is also a Tackle and hasn't got a single rep at G, so there's nothing he can add to that.

Stork is the only player who can fill the void and appearently make the unit better.

Still, if the Interior O-Line was such a problem, why haven't we drafted anyone in the last 3 drafts higher than a 4th round? Why haven't we gone after a good player available, if we didn't get anyone at the draft? Why did we trade away our best player this year, considering the compensation we got and the dead money he left behind?

Honestly, i think the Staff made a bad judgement about our players, overestimating their potential and capability, and wasn't properly adressed this year. We are seeing it now.

Lets see if I am correct You ***** because they didn't do it the past couple of years while replacing the RT and LT. Then you *****ed because they are doing the interior line this year.

Exactly when would you not *****?

I see. NEVER.

 

[JayNM]

Lets see if I am correct You ***** because they didn't do it the past couple of years while replacing the RT and LT. Then you *****ed because they are doing the interior line this year.

Exactly when would you not *****?

I see. NEVER.

wut. Man, i'm not *****ing, I'm not creating topics complaining, I'm only expressing my opinions. I'm not even being agressive, so that answer is really uncalled for.

They did replace LT and RT but didn't adress the interior line for the last . And while they spent 2 high-round picks in Tackles, they didn't use it on G. Moreover, 3 of the guards are not guards.

Even more, Vollmer was drafted in 2009, that's 5 drafts mind you, there was plenty of time to take quality interior lineman and yet they didn't.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Such is the climate fostered by the ADD fantasy football Chicken Littles. Oh, and don't forget: Danny Amendola will singlehandedly ruin this franchise.

You forget to add that Dobson as a healthy scratch is another clear nail in the coffin.....

 

[BradyToAmendola]

This interior rebuild was never just about Stork. It was a total remake of all three interior offensive line positions.

It was necessary because both Mankns and Connolly are getting old and expensive; and Wendell although tough and gritty is too undersized.

The three replacement players are Stork, Cannon and Fleming. Stork is 6-4 and 315. He replaces 6-2 290 pound Wendell. Cannon is 6-5 and 335. He replaces Mankins who is 6-4 and 310 and age 33. Fleming is 6-5 and 330+. He replaces Connolly who is 6-4 and 310, and age 33.

The two starting tackles had already been replaced with huge, First and Second Round selections Solder and Vollmer.

BB sought to rebuild the interior Offensive line because they were dominated in the past two Super Bowl appearances and the last AFCCG. Good Coaching couldn't overcome good talent which was just bigger. The old line was good enough to win with, except at the very heights of the league. The new generation should be dominant even there. when fully experienced.

There's more to being a good offensive lineman than just being big.

You have to, you know, have some talent too.

 

[AzPatsFan]

wut. Man, i'm not *****ing, I'm not creating topics complaining, I'm only expressing my opinions. I'm not even being agressive, so that answer is really uncalled for.

They did replace LT and RT but didn't adress the interior line for the last . And while they spent 2 high-round picks in Tackles, they didn't use it on G. Moreover, 3 of the guards are not guards.

Even more, Vollmer was drafted in 2009, that's 5 drafts mind you, there was plenty of time to take quality interior lineman and yet they didn't.

Seems to me they had other fish to fry first.

Plus it often takes a couple of seasons for a tackle to settle in. BB has said how he evaluates O-linemen. Tackles can be good Guards, but the obverse is not true. Most G s don't have the feet to play tackle. While lean tackles may not have the strength to make good Gs.
Centers are a special case as they need smarts, quickness, and sufficient strength. Smarts to call the line blocking assignments. Quickness to get over and aid whoever is breaking down, or to get out on a LB. Sufficient strength to move a DT or not let him bull rush you.

 

[bresna]

I had a perfect view of this live and I saw it as a clear case of OPI but the problem with the call is in this picture of the foul. The ref who made the DPI call is standing behind this play. In his eyes, he sees the WR going down with a Patriot in front of him. He doesn't know that this WR is the one doing the pulling, right?

Still a bogus call, one that I'm sure he will be penalized for during his weekly review.

 

[Foxypats]

The only real complaint I have is the amount of penalties we seem to be getting. This is so unlike the Patriots who are usually a pretty disciplined team. When the team is putting together a great drive and then it stalls because of penalties it drives me crazy and that has happened quite a few times in this young season so far. They need to correct that soon !

 

[Rob0729]

I said the defense played well and that the Raiders had some sustained drives inthe first half, why are you always looking for a fight

The substained drive thing is overrated. Yes, they had some drives with a lot of plays, but they really didn't go anywhere because the Raiders were getting 3-4 yards at a clip and not 5-7. Here are their drives in the first half:

6 plays 20 yards with a punt (3.3 YPP)
13 plays 50 yards with a FG (3.8 YPP)
8 plays 26 yards with a punt (3.25 YPP)
3 plays 8 yards with a punt (2.7 YPP)

I read a lot of people complaining in the game thread how the Pats let the Raiders march down the field during the first half, but it wasn't the case. The Raiders crossed the 50 yard line once in the first half.

 

[patfanken]

The substained drive thing is overrated. Yes, they had some drives with a lot of plays, but they really didn't go anywhere because the Raiders were getting 3-4 yards at a clip and not 5-7. Here are their drives in the first half:

6 plays 20 yards with a punt (3.3 YPP)
13 plays 50 yards with a FG (3.8 YPP)
8 plays 26 yards with a punt (3.25 YPP)
3 plays 8 yards with a punt (2.7 YPP)

I read a lot of people complaining in the game thread how the Pats let the Raiders march down the field during the first half, but it wasn't the case. The Raiders crossed the 50 yard line once in the first half.

C'mon Rob you should know better. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story line. As for me, I'm going to have a very productive week, because, for the most part, I'm not going to be watching or listening to the "noise" this week. Its not because some of the criticisms aren't justified, but that they are so OBVIOUS. You can almost mouth the words before they come out of their mouths.

For me I'll look forward to seeing what BB and his staff manage to do before they play this really tough game in KC. Their THIRD road game already! Hopefully if they can come home 3-1, so the panic can REALLY start to take off.

 

[dales804]

So many fans here are spoiled. The god dam fans were booing in the 2nd qtr yesterday. Week 3.....

If we lose next week this board will be un readable. It almost is right now....and thats after a W

Thank God for the "Ignore Thread" feature.