Devin McCourty contract talks in progress

[JackBauer]

Read post below. Blue Jays really! Says it all!

Does it? What does it say, pray tell?

And WTF are you talking about "read post below"?

 

[PATS68]

Okay my list in no order.

1) Earl Thomas
2) Jairus Byrd
3) T.J Ward
4) Eric Berry
5) Eric Weddle, plays well against manning
6) Donte Whitner
7) Kam Chancellor
8) Antoine Bethea
9) D. McCourty.
9) Due to upside and he came up huge for them Tyrann Mathieu

Now if we go on the stats according to NFL.com it would show that McCourty is a player on decline or he had a bad season last year.

2010, 7 INTS Pdef 17
2011, 2 INTS Pdef 13
2012, 5 INTS Pdef 13
2013, 1 INTS Pdef 9

2012 total tackles 63 compared to 2013 with only 48

 

[Kontradiction]

I am talking about the playoffs regular season really doesn't mean much it counts what you do in the playoffs.

Quarterbacks still don't throw in his direction much in the playoffs, so I'm not sure what your point here is.

IE steam rolled the Jets regular season and lost to them in playoffs, what win or lose matters more?

You're faulting McCourty for this now? Further, McCourty was playing corner at that point. Either way, again, I'm not sure what you're getting at.

When Pollard came off the field at the end of the AFCCG two years ago he was greeted by his coach and he told Pollard he was the reason why they won the game. He destroyed Wes Welker, knocked out Ridley and caused a turnover. Ed Reed had a INT in the SB.

If it was Pees, then that was a dumbass thing to say since the Ravens won that game as a team. Our defense couldn't stop a JV squad in that game. But it appears that what you're looking for is more physicality out of the safety position that lines up across from McCourty. I've been pounding the table for that since 2009. As a FS, though, McCourty does his job and is one of the better FS's in the league at doing what he does. You're basically faulting him for the fact that quarterbacks don't throw in his general direction when that's actually a good thing.

 

[PATS68]

Does it? What does it say, pray tell?

And WTF are you talking about "read post below"?

What it says is GST taxes suck and home of sars.

 

[PATS68]

Okay my list in no order.

1) Earl Thomas
2) Jairus Byrd
3) T.J Ward
4) Eric Berry
5) Eric Weddle, plays well against manning
6) Donte Whitner
7) Kam Chancellor
8) Antoine Bethea
9) D. McCourty.
9) Due to upside and he came up huge for them Tyrann Mathieu

Now if we go on the stats according to NFL.com it would show that McCourty is a player on decline or he had a bad season last year. No I do not think he is a player on decline. NFL.com rates DB position and McCourty's name did not come up until page 3. Logan Ryan was rated ahead of him.

2010, 7 INTS Pdef 17
2011, 2 INTS Pdef 13
2012, 5 INTS Pdef 13
2013, 1 INTS Pdef 9

2012 total tackles 63 compared to 2013 with only 48

 

[JackBauer]

Okay my list in no order.

1) Earl Thomas
2) Jairus Byrd
3) T.J Ward
4) Eric Berry
5) Eric Weddle, plays well against manning
6) Donte Whitner
7) Kam Chancellor
8) Antoine Bethea
9) D. McCourty.
9) Due to upside and he came up huge for them Tyrann Mathieu

Bethea and Whitner above McCourty? Now that says it all.

Now if we go on the stats according to NFL.com it would show that McCourty is a player on decline or he had a bad season last year.

2010, 7 INTS Pdef 17
2011, 2 INTS Pdef 13
2012, 5 INTS Pdef 13
2013, 1 INTS Pdef 9

2012 total tackles 63 compared to 2013 with only 48

Are you seriously using stats without any context to argue that McCourty is a player on the decline? Not only that but conflating stats he compiled whilst playing CB with those he compiled playing S?

Wow.

Now, as McCourty has blossomed into an elite safety, try really hard and think about why his INT/PD totals might have declined in 2013.

 

[Ivan]

This thread is absolutely hilarious. Some people have to be some of the worst grass-is-greener knuckleheads ever. McCourty hits the free market and he will be fielding offers of 8+ (maybe way +) from a dozen teams.

It's not like the people who think McCourty is average at best don't have a plan for letting him go, they are going to trade Ridley for Earl Thomas to replace him, and everyone knows that RB's are worth their weight in gold and they can still take Seattle's defense in their draft even without Thomas.

 

[JMC00]

Okay my list in no order.

1) Earl Thomas
2) Jairus Byrd
3) T.J Ward
4) Eric Berry
5) Eric Weddle, plays well against manning
6) Donte Whitner
7) Kam Chancellor
8) Antoine Bethea
9) D. McCourty.
9) Due to upside and he came up huge for them Tyrann Mathieu

You have 5 SS on that list. McCourty isn't a SS, don't compare him to one. Take out Ward, Berry, Whitner, Chancellor, and Bethea and you have McCourty as the 4th best FS in the league. 4th best FS in the league is worth 8m+

Now if we go on the stats according to NFL.com it would show that McCourty is a player on decline or he had a bad season last year.

2010, 7 INTS Pdef 17
2011, 2 INTS Pdef 13
2012, 5 INTS Pdef 13
2013, 1 INTS Pdef 9

2012 total tackles 63 compared to 2013 with only 48

2010- half of 2012 he played CB. CBs get the ball thrown their way more than Safeties do, that's just a fact.

 

[PATS68]

You think Baltimore woul dhave started James Ihedigbo over McCourty? Are you out of your mind?

Kam Chancellor and Pollard play different positions than Devin McCourty. You know that, right?

This thread is absolutely hilarious. Some people have to be some of the worst grass-is-greener knuckleheads ever. McCourty hits the free market and he will be fielding offers of 8+ (maybe way +) from a dozen teams.

The Pats defense improved greatly in long passes - the reason is the guy playing FS. The rest of the league knows this.

And by the way, DBs for Seattle have a huge advantage: they had a ferocious pass rush for the past few years. They play(ed) an entirely different system than NE's bend-don't-break philosophy, where you had BB on record repeatedly saying that sacks are overrated. It's a helluva lot easier to shine as a DB, or get picks, when the QB is under pressure.

Finally, the Pats seem to be moving away from that philosophy, grabbing press corners and a pass-rushing DT and more athletic LBs.

Watch Manning throwing against the Pats is the AFCCG, then watch him trying to throw against Seattle in the SB. If you think the difference was the DBs, you do not understand football.

It comes down to a very simple and obviously true statement: if the Pats don't pay McCourty like an elite FS (Thomas, Byrd, Weddle), someone else will. That's not even really debatable.
The strong safeties - Chancellor, Ward, Whitner - are the ones getting the short end of it.

So just because someone thinks different than you their a knuckle head? Maybe your the guy with a lack of understanding about the game.

 

[strngplyr]

Okay my list in no order.

1) Earl Thomas
2) Jairus Byrd
3) T.J Ward
4) Eric Berry
5) Eric Weddle, plays well against manning
6) Donte Whitner
7) Kam Chancellor
8) Antoine Bethea
9) D. McCourty.
9) Due to upside and he came up huge for them Tyrann Mathieu

Now if we go on the stats according to NFL.com it would show that McCourty is a player on decline or he had a bad season last year.

2010, 7 INTS Pdef 17
2011, 2 INTS Pdef 13
2012, 5 INTS Pdef 13
2013, 1 INTS Pdef 9

2012 total tackles 63 compared to 2013 with only 48

McCourty is in "decline" because he was targeted on 14 passing plays, or some absurdly low number, all of last season. You can't defend passes or make interceptions when you're not given the chance. In 2010-12 he only played half of one season at FS, his numbers are inflated from playing CB.

 

[PATS68]

I am pretty sure Revis has only 1 career interception in the play-offs.

He must suck.

Apples to oranges

 

[PATS68]

McCourty is in "decline" because he was targeted on 14 passing plays, or some absurdly low number, all of last season. You can't defend passes or make interceptions when you're not given the chance. In 2010-12 he only played half of one season at FS, his numbers are inflated from playing CB.

No I said the numbers would suggest, but if he completed reading u would have read that I don't think he is decline.

 

[PATS68]

So now the numbers are wrong too?

 

[strngplyr]

No I said the numbers would suggest, but if he completed reading u would have read that I don't think he is decline.

You didn't say that you don't think he is in decline, you said the numbers would suggest it, and used it to back up your "argument", if you didn't agree you wouldn't have mentioned it.

 

[strngplyr]

So now the numbers are wrong too?

Did the fact that he played a different position in 2.5 of the 4 seasons you compared not matter to you? The numbers you posted are for someone who played about 1,000+ more snaps at cornerback than safety.

 

[PATS68]

Apples to oranges, yeah that's it lets post really stupid stuff

 

[PATS68]

Did the fact that he played a different position in 2.5 of the 4 seasons you compared not matter to you? The numbers you posted are for someone who played about 1,000+ more snaps at cornerback than safety.

2013 all the numbers across the board are lower to add to it where was the pass rush?

Lets go with this, in the last 2 AFCCG when Talib went down was McCourty the glue that held the secondary together or did it fall apart? I would suggest that it fell apart. 98.5 the Sports Hub sometime back was debating if McCourty has failed to take that next step and everyone on the show was in agreement that he has not.

 

[PATS68]

Did the fact that he played a different position in 2.5 of the 4 seasons you compared not matter to you? The numbers you posted are for someone who played about 1,000+ more snaps at cornerback than safety.

So I go to my boss and point out what I did 2.5 years ago to argue for raise and argue why he shouldn't look at last year? Pound sand would be the reply. Well I am in a police union to so there is no begging for a raise.

 

[strngplyr]

2013 all the numbers across the board are lower to add to it where was the pass rush?

Lets go with this, in the last 2 AFCCG when Talib went down was McCourty the glue that held the secondary together or did it fall apart? I would suggest that it fell apart. 98.5 the Sports Hub sometime back was debating if McCourty has failed to take that next step and everyone on the show was in agreement that he has not.

...I give up, you're honestly an idiot.

I think you've earned the title of the first person I've ever called an idiot on this forum in 4 years.

Edit: I take that back, you're actually he 2nd, after the tool who tried telling me that because I hadn't donated to the forum I wasn't allowed to tell him he was wrong about something.

 

[50-yard-line]

So just because someone thinks different than you their a knuckle head?

When the arguments are nonsensical, the arguer is a knucklehead.

Maybe your the guy with a lack of understanding about the game.

If the NFL players/coaches/analysts, etc. agreed with your position, you might be right, but since they don't...

Start with the difference between a strong safety and a free safety and work backwards from there.