Pats and Wilfork close to a deal for an extension?

[pctronics0072]

Revis for 10m a year.... You are funny.

 

[hwc]

Assuming his achilles has healed, then Wilfork could be worth keeping for two or three more seasons. Probably not as the every down player he has been, but as a rotational player. Bring him in on the run down package. Obviously, you don't want to be paying $8 million a year for that, but when you factor in his veteral leadership, there is some price that makes him an attractive role player going forward.

You don't want any D-linemen playing all the snaps. You would sacrifice ultimate talent just to keep rotating fresh legs into the game. Certainly, Vince Wilfork, even as an older player, offers more in that capacity than a JAG.

 

[mayoclinic]

You don't want any D-linemen playing all the snaps. You would sacrifice ultimate talent just to keep rotating fresh legs into the game.

I couldn't agree more.

Certainly, Vince Wilfork, even as an older player, offers more in that capacity than a JAG.

A lot depends on how much he offers given his injury, and how high the price is.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I can only hope they bring Vince back. He is a special player, he has taken over games, AS A NOSE TACKLE! He got hurt in week 5, so I'm assUming that he is healed by now. The only thing that remains to be seen is what kind of shape he is in. With an achilles, you basically can't do much during your rehab.

The guy stuck around all last season to help out his younger less experienced teamates, you can't just dump a guy after doing that. LEt Vince play a couple more years and then take over a d line coach.

I can always wera my #54 Bruschi jeresey and I I never want to have to retire my #75 jersey either! Vince needs to be a Pat for life. SO make it happen!

 

[Ring 6]

Not sure how people more concerned about 7 Mil in cap space than Vince isnt hate.

I'm confused. Determning whether a player is worth the cost, or using the money on someone else is hate?

Not sure how arguing over whether he is 350 or 400 LBS isnt hate.

Because its got everything to do with whether he can recover.

Again clearly the Patriots see some sort of value in the player otherwise he would have been cut already.

Or potential value, depending upon rehab.

I assume they know his weight and I assume they have a value they think he is worth that is more than $0 and for anyone on here to treat one of our favorite players over the last 10 years as if he is worth nothing is clearly hating on the player.

Who said he is worth nothing? I think there is a lot of doubt as to whether he is worth 7.5mill, and almost as much if he is worth 4mill.
I don't want to pay more than he is worth, because the team will not be as good. That isn't hate.
It isn't sentimental, but I didn't realize sentimentality was a good factor in sound personnel decisions.

The idea that he is worthless is insulting and not fair to the player or the team.

Can you show me who said he was worthless?

 

[Jimke]

So much speculation over the flimsiest of rumors!

 

[VrabelJr]

Assuming his achilles has healed, then Wilfork could be worth keeping for two or three more seasons. Probably not as the every down player he has been, but as a rotational player. Bring him in on the run down package. Obviously, you don't want to be paying $8 million a year for that, but when you factor in his veteral leadership, there is some price that makes him an attractive role player going forward.

You don't want any D-linemen playing all the snaps. You would sacrifice ultimate talent just to keep rotating fresh legs into the game. Certainly, Vince Wilfork, even as an older player, offers more in that capacity than a JAG.

Gosh this is so true and Seattle showed it last year. They had some good talent on their DL but overall they had a deep pool of average talent where nobody played a high percentage of snaps.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I'm confused. Determning whether a player is worth the cost, or using the money on someone else is hate?


Because its got everything to do with whether he can recover.


Or potential value, depending upon rehab.



Who said he is worth nothing? I think there is a lot of doubt as to whether he is worth 7.5mill, and almost as much if he is worth 4mill.
I don't want to pay more than he is worth, because the team will not be as good. That isn't hate.
It isn't sentimental, but I didn't realize sentimentality was a good factor in sound personnel decisions.


Can you show me who said he was worthless?

Eh, it happens every year. If you acknowledge that moving on from a 'core' Patriot might not be the worst idea in existence, let alone advocate for it, a certain number of normally reasonable posters just won't be able to handle it, and accusations will start flying. We saw it last year with Welker, a couple years ago with Seymour (that was the closest I've come to completely losing perspective over a favorite player leaving), etc. If Wilfork's gone, then it's happening again.

At a certain point, the Pats move on from everyone. It's how they stay competitive. It happened to a bunch of guys who were just an important as Vince, and it'll happen to Vince too if he isn't willing to make steep compromises. The only players who avoid it are the ones who accept what they are, voluntarily lower their cap hits, and in doing so keep themselves and their cap hits workable for the Pats. Rodney and Tedy did that, and Brady is doing it as we speak. Even Rodney said that he was borderline forced out: the Pats would have cut him if he hadn't retired.

Vince has expressed an unwillingness to do that thus far, and he's gone unless he changes course.

 

[libra957]

I'd like to see Vince back, we still have no one that can stop the run.

 

[signbabybrady]

Can you show me who said he was worthless?

I think you have seen this 100 times over the last week/months.

Anyone who has said he should be cut instead of letting this play out to see if the Patriots and Vince can agree to something.

cause its got everything to do with whether he can recover.

But its not like this is a mystery to the Patriots. Those arguing over his weight are just trying to justify cutting him and in this they just don't know the facts.

I'm confused. Determning whether a player is worth the cost, or using the money on someone else is hate?

Maybe hate is to strong a word but it certainly is not an indication of love for Vince and wanting him around.

Clearly the Patriots want Vince on this team next year. Clearly they they still think there is a good chance he will play at a high level (at the very least a level worthy of a roster spot). If they did not think this there would be nothing to negotiate and they would just move on. So again I ask why are people so quick to cut him over what will end up the difference of a few mil?

If the reports coming out were that Patriots want to wait further into his rehab then some speculation would be understandable but the reports are that they asked for a pay cut and that they are in negotiations. Which suggest they want him here next year after that what ever the dollar amount is should be fairly asinine to a fan hoping he will still be here or more to the point the fans that have already cut him to save the full 7 mil.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Is there any more solid news on this topic or is this just a hopeful conjecture?

 

[signbabybrady]

Eh, it happens every year. If you acknowledge that moving on from a 'core' Patriot might not be the worst idea in existence, let alone advocate for it, a certain number of normally reasonable posters just won't be able to handle it, and accusations will start flying. We saw it last year with Welker, a couple years ago with Seymour (that was the closest I've come to completely losing perspective over a favorite player leaving), etc. If Wilfork's gone, then it's happening again.

At a certain point, the Pats move on from everyone. It's how they stay competitive. It happened to a bunch of guys who were just an important as Vince, and it'll happen to Vince too if he isn't willing to make steep compromises. The only players who avoid it are the ones who accept what they are, voluntarily lower their cap hits, and in doing so keep themselves and their cap hits workable for the Pats. Rodney and Tedy did that, and Brady is doing it as we speak. Even Rodney said that he was borderline forced out: the Pats would have cut him if he hadn't retired.

Vince has expressed an unwillingness to do that thus far, and he's gone unless he changes course.

I dont think you are following my point this has nothing to do with the Patriots or BB moving on from a player I understand that is gonna happen and when it does it is a sad day which is why I dont understand in a case like this where the team is clearly trying to keep him that everyone would be so quick to jetison him.

I did not call anyone out weeks ago when we discussed the possibility of him being cut and the very likely scenario that he would never see the full 7 mil he is due. But things have changed now we have more info and yet people are still screaming to cut him when the team is trying to keep just at a smaller cap hit.

LEAVE VINCE ALONE

 

[Ivan]

Eh, it happens every year. If you acknowledge that moving on from a 'core' Patriot might not be the worst idea in existence, let alone advocate for it, a certain number of normally reasonable posters just won't be able to handle it, and accusations will start flying. We saw it last year with Welker, a couple years ago with Seymour (that was the closest I've come to completely losing perspective over a favorite player leaving), etc. If Wilfork's gone, then it's happening again.

At a certain point, the Pats move on from everyone. It's how they stay competitive. It happened to a bunch of guys who were just an important as Vince, and it'll happen to Vince too if he isn't willing to make steep compromises. The only players who avoid it are the ones who accept what they are, voluntarily lower their cap hits, and in doing so keep themselves and their cap hits workable for the Pats. Rodney and Tedy did that, and Brady is doing it as we speak. Even Rodney said that he was borderline forced out: the Pats would have cut him if he hadn't retired.

Vince has expressed an unwillingness to do that thus far, and he's gone unless he changes course.

I haven't seen anyone who thinks that they should keep Wilfork at the 11.6 cap hit the question is more about his ability to return to good form after the injury and what kind of deal they can get done with him, and the truth of the matter is that no matter how much anyone here wants to pretend they know about his weight his health and what he wants financially the team is much much better informed on all of these issues and I trust them to make the right decision on it.

 

[Brady6]

Take a look at Bianca's Instagram page. She has dropped significant weight since the beginning of the year. I think it very likely Vince and her are working on their weight loss together so I am not as concerned about the weight as many of you.

http://web.stagram.com/n/mrs75/

 

[mgteich]

I am amazed to see all the medical experts who are sure that Wilfork is worth the $8M of 2014 money he wants for his services. There is no sugar coating this. If Wilfork does not have an amazing recovery (and we're all rooting for him), he will not be worth this kind of money.

Obviously, I am misunderstanding the positions of some posters.

IMHO (as patchick suggested), the team must have SOME very positive health information or they wouldn't even be considering restructures or extensions at this point.

To clarify, I would like folks to suggest contracts that we should be willing to sign with Wilfork now. I'll start.

POSSIBLE WILFORK CONTRACT
3/$15M including an $6M bonus and salaries of $2M, $3M and $4M. In addition, there could be incentives. I cannot imagine Wilfork signing for less. Personally, I would not want the team to offer more. As I have said, I am presuming that the team has excellent medical news, otherwise no new contract makes sense at this point.

 

[Jimke]

I am amazed to see all the medical experts who are sure that Wilfork is worth the $8M of 2014 money he wants for his services. There is no sugar coating this. If Wilfork does not have an amazing recovery (and we're all rooting for him), he will not be worth this kind of money.

Obviously, I am misunderstanding the positions of some posters.

IMHO (as patchick suggested), the team must have SOME very positive health information or they wouldn't even be considering restructures or extensions at this point.

To clarify, I would like folks to suggest contracts that we should be willing to sign with Wilfork now. I'll start.

POSSIBLE WILFORK CONTRACT
3/$15M including an $6M bonus and salaries of $2M, $3M and $4M. In addition, there could be incentives. I cannot imagine Wilfork signing for less. Personally, I would not want the team to offer more. As I have said, I am presuming that the team has excellent medical news, otherwise no new contract makes sense at this point.

All of this talk is speculation based upon a remark by Jerry Thornton
of Barstool Sports who got the information from "a friend of a friend".
No other confirmation.

 

[Brady6]

I am amazed to see all the medical experts who are sure that Wilfork is worth the $8M of 2014 money he wants for his services. There is no sugar coating this. If Wilfork does not have an amazing recovery (and we're all rooting for him), he will not be worth this kind of money.

Obviously, I am misunderstanding the positions of some posters.

IMHO (as patchick suggested), the team must have SOME very positive health information or they wouldn't even be considering restructures or extensions at this point.

To clarify, I would like folks to suggest contracts that we should be willing to sign with Wilfork now. I'll start.

POSSIBLE WILFORK CONTRACT
3/$15M including an $6M bonus and salaries of $2M, $3M and $4M. In addition, there could be incentives. I cannot imagine Wilfork signing for less. Personally, I would not want the team to offer more. As I have said, I am presuming that the team has excellent medical news, otherwise no new contract makes sense at this point.

Wilfork had surgery on October 2nd that was nearly seven months ago. It is extremely likely that his Achilles is completely healed and now it is a question of getting back into football shape. In 2012 Wilfork dropped a solid 30lbs between OTAs and the opening of camp this concern about him being to fat to play football is ridiculous in my opinion. We are talking about a player who is consistently recognized as an offseason workout award winner, why do posters feel so inclined to believe he has just let himself go.

If Wilfork was in fact this fat slobbering mess that was not going to be able to play do people really believe he would still be here and wouldn't have been cut outright long ago?

 

[50-yard-line]

I'm expecting Wilfork back in beast mode this year. He'll come in lighter and meaner.

I have full faith in the guy. He is an extraordinary athlete.

Achilles is the new ACL - the techniques are better, the surgery more common. Brent Grimes, Demarius Thomas, Michael Crabtree, Corey Peters...and the list goes on.

The doom-and-gloom statistics include lots of leftovers from a few years ago and back, when the procedures were nowhere near as good as they are now. The more I'm reading, the more confident I am that a proud athlete like Vince will be ready to tear it up. That, plus the fact that he tore it eary and so has had a long time to recover (as opposed to, say, Bowman and his ACL/MCL), gives me reason for optimism.

Extend VW...let him retire a Patriot.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Wilfork had surgery on October 2nd that was nearly seven months ago. It is extremely likely that his Achilles is completely healed and now it is a question of getting back into football shape. In 2012 Wilfork dropped a solid 30lbs between OTAs and the opening of camp this concern about him being to fat to play football is ridiculous in my opinion. We are talking about a player who is consistently recognized as an offseason workout award winner, why do posters feel so inclined to believe he has just let himself go.

If Wilfork was in fact this fat slobbering mess that was not going to be able to play do people really believe he would still be here and wouldn't have been cut outright long ago?

When behemoths on both sides of the line retire, they typically either lose a bunch of weight or gain a bunch of weight. Everyone seems to be focusing on the latter and ignoring the former. A lot of these guys go out of their way to keep their weight up, because it's part of what makes them such effective players. In the case of someone like Wilfork, I'm betting that he'll aggressively shed weight once he retires, on account of his family history of diabetes.

As you mentioned, he's dropped weight when needed in the past, and I agree that he's been playing north of 340 for years now. I doubt that he's 400 pounds right now, but even if he is I expect that he'll drop a lot of that weight pretty quickly. I have doubts that he can be anything close to the player that he used to be going forward, but that has everything to do with the achilles injury on such a large player, and little to do with the weight in its own right (beyond the extent to which it complicates his achilles injury).

 

[mayoclinic]

I am amazed to see all the medical experts who are sure that Wilfork is worth the $8M of 2014 money he wants for his services. There is no sugar coating this. If Wilfork does not have an amazing recovery (and we're all rooting for him), he will not be worth this kind of money.

Obviously, I am misunderstanding the positions of some posters.

IMHO (as patchick suggested), the team must have SOME very positive health information or they wouldn't even be considering restructures or extensions at this point.

To clarify, I would like folks to suggest contracts that we should be willing to sign with Wilfork now. I'll start.

POSSIBLE WILFORK CONTRACT
3/$15M including an $6M bonus and salaries of $2M, $3M and $4M. In addition, there could be incentives. I cannot imagine Wilfork signing for less. Personally, I would not want the team to offer more. As I have said, I am presuming that the team has excellent medical news, otherwise no new contract makes sense at this point.

All of this is ridiculous until there is actual evidence that Wilfork can play at a meaningful level. I would presume nothing, and do nothing at this point.